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what is the capacity

around 30K.

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Who thinks we will hear this song http://paradisecity.com/post/519fb025e527ac7f5c000096 tonight @Rocklahoma #DontLetItBringYouDown

You may very well be right^^^ astute observation

In my experience most musicians are usually quite intelligent. I remember reading a study that linked the ability to read music and play an instrument to improved abilities in other studies such as mathematics.

Lateral thought ability is an inherent trait in most highly creative people, but make no mistake, some are dumb as a bag of hammers. No names , the trick is surrounding urself with people who are smart/trustworthy ...

Well, there is intellectual ability and common sense and not everyone has both.

OK..............all insults and personal grudges aside.

Warchild. Soul. Can you just answer the simple questions?

SO again..............instead of saying that Axl is the most intelligent band member because he likes to read...........how do you know this? How do you know that he is an avid reader and that the books he are reading aren't westerns and romance novels?

Curious about the fixation with Westerns And Romance novels, Is that your preferred genre?

A waste is a terrible thing to mind.

You may very well be right^^^ astute observation

In my experience most musicians are usually quite intelligent. I remember reading a study that linked the ability to read music and play an instrument to improved abilities in other studies such as mathematics.

Lateral thought ability is an inherent trait in most highly creative people, but make no mistake, some are dumb as a bag of hammers. No names , the trick is surrounding urself with people who are smart/trustworthy ...

Sailway - what would you put on a "Best of" album. Keep in mind that it doesn't mean your personal favourite but rather what you think would work for gen pop. Keep under 60 minutes.

Appeal to a modern drive- thru microwave society is sketchy business these days, with disposable songs and artists de jour, definitely have to utilize some classics, and mix it up with maybe some catchy covers..NighttrainMaybe a medley of sail away/bad timeFull version of Black Sabbath's "its alright"Nazareths, Love hurtsBad obsessionPatienceDust in the wind, TR version not KansasPF brick in the wall...full song.Double talking jiveShacklersUsed to love her...Throw in some of the rants that some haven't heard, the snarky intros would make bite sized listening society take notice, and it wouldn't be nearly as offensive in the rap- laden world of "bitches and Ho's regularity.Finish it out with Dead HorseNot what I would pick, I'd rather have Sailing, a cover of Rocket Man or Funeral for a friend, TIL, Sympathy, Wild Horses, Prostitute alt arrangement, and maybe a full version of the asshole song, an abbreviated Rocket Queen,Breakdown and estranged.Not really much way to force GNR into a user-friendly mode, and todays society listens to pure lackluster shit, thanks to clear channel in part...I'll take a blackmore deep purple over a Beiber and a Queen deep cut over any GaGa or Adele nonsense.But I'm a curmudgeonly contrary fuck.Will also take them doobie brothers and their Chinese grove over any Jonas bros concept of what a song is.

JungleNovember RainSweet childBetterChineseNightrainYou could be mineParadisePatienceDon't cryCivil Warlive and let dieKnockin'YesterdaysNEW TRACK No particular order

That's pretty much the same as GH

True, I can remember making "mix tapes".... I'd still go rogue and do something unexpected, there are already albums out there for a casual fan...also abundant bootlegs exist in varying quality, since every show since the 90s has been videoed there is ample material to tweak and put out an album for a casual fan.

I prefer not to have a GH album, the deep cuts hold more interest.

JungleNovember RainSweet childBetterChineseNightrainYou could be mineParadisePatienceDon't cryCivil Warlive and let dieKnockin'YesterdaysNEW TRACK No particular order

Yeah, it has to be different to draw/attract attention, a compilation of decently mastered songs previously only available on bootlegs would be interesting, but in todays market to appeal to the general public AS WELL AS your hardcore fanbase ....its pretty much damned if you do, damned if you dont so I'm all for going rogue on everyone's asses.

Sailway - what would you put on a "Best of" album. Keep in mind that it doesn't mean your personal favourite but rather what you think would work for gen pop. Keep under 60 minutes.

Appeal to a modern drive- thru microwave society is sketchy business these days, with disposable songs and artists de jour, definitely have to utilize some classics, and mix it up with maybe some catchy covers..

Nighttrain

Maybe a medley of sail away/bad time

Full version of Black Sabbath's "its alright"

Nazareths, Love hurts

Bad obsession

Patience

Dust in the wind, TR version not Kansas

PF brick in the wall...full song.

Double talking jive

Shacklers

Used to love her...

Throw in some of the rants that some haven't heard, the snarky intros would make bite sized listening society take notice, and it wouldn't be nearly as offensive in the rap- laden world of "bitches and Ho's regularity.

Finish it out with Dead Horse

Not what I would pick, I'd rather have Sailing, a cover of Rocket Man or Funeral for a friend, TIL, Sympathy, Wild Horses, Prostitute alt arrangement, and maybe a full version of the asshole song, an abbreviated Rocket Queen,Breakdown and estranged.

Not really much way to force GNR into a user-friendly mode, and todays society listens to pure lackluster shit, thanks to clear channel in part...I'll take a blackmore deep purple over a Beiber and a Queen deep cut over any GaGa or Adele nonsense.

But I'm a curmudgeonly contrary fuck.

Will also take them doobie brothers and their Chinese grove over any Jonas bros concept of what a song is.

realistically, not many people (if any at all) would buy a live CD or DVD by the current band. Probably not even enough to justify the production costs. Plus it would be another failure accounted to Axl.

You do realize that CD top the charts (sales, not singles) all over the world right? And I'm not even counting the US with the BB fiasco.

Chinese Democracy a smash hit huh? Thanks for opening my eyes!

I wouldn't go that far but you said that a new album wouldn't sell. Their last album went gold and platinum worldwide so I'm not sure if you are unaware or just lying.

Read about a guy Uri Geller?? Who claimed he could bend forks/spoons with his mind, neat trick.

Some people use their minds to bend the truth to suit their purpose

On topic: could easily be yet another compilation album.

Inb4 team Brasil haters!How much do the cards go for?

Have no earthly idea, but this has been announced previously in cyberland.

Career wise you would have to say DJ, as he has tried to create a brand outside of music, excluding bumblefoot's hot sauce none of the other members have done that. I believe that Axl sees himself as and wants to be intellectual, but as much as I love the guy, either he's made a lot of monumental mistakes or has been fucked over by a lot of people, and books and art aside you can't call that intellectual. I imagine all of these guys are intelligent, intelligence doesn't have to be science or math, probably the deepest intelligence is art and if they would release a new song once in a fucking while maybe we would know who is intelligent and have more interesting shit to talk about.

So, by your logic if a new song is released it will prove beyond a doubt who is more intelligent.And I thought the Rorsharch test was a waste of time

I'm pretty sure those are your words and not mine, my point is something else entirely.

I used your quote, but maybe I misunderstood what you intended to say.

I actually do like your observation that art is perhaps the deepest intelligence.

Axl is certainly somebody who uses his brain a lot but he uses it in a self-analytical pseudo-scientific manner which sadly led Axl down the path towards outright quackery (i.e. the Maynards). Axl's list of favourite books is also interesting..

"The Stand [by Stephen King], A Scanner Darkly [Philip K Dick], Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, James Dean: The Mutant King [David Dalton] and Zodiac [Neal Stephenson]."

In a nutshell, Axl likes sci-fi/horror - remember he championed Del James's horror career. Not the most high-brow/intellectual of lists, it has to be said, however Frankenstein is an absolute classic.Adler's favourite book I believe is Hustler magazine.

Incident about the Maynards, after Sharons demise he raced off to find a similar replacement wife to keep that illusion going...Think everyone here can list some regrettable choices.

Being inwardly focused and analytical is a royal pain and old habits die hard.

Favorite books do change from time to time, its not a static finite thing.

Think you may be right in Stevens favorite book, that doesn't come with crayons

Career wise you would have to say DJ, as he has tried to create a brand outside of music, excluding bumblefoot's hot sauce none of the other members have done that. I believe that Axl sees himself as and wants to be intellectual, but as much as I love the guy, either he's made a lot of monumental mistakes or has been fucked over by a lot of people, and books and art aside you can't call that intellectual. I imagine all of these guys are intelligent, intelligence doesn't have to be science or math, probably the deepest intelligence is art and if they would release a new song once in a fucking while maybe we would know who is intelligent and have more interesting shit to talk about.

So, by your logic if a new song is released it will prove beyond a doubt who is more intelligent.

And I thought the Rorsharch test was a waste of time

I just listened to Sympathy for the Devil. What a great cover, Slash was on fire.

On topic: Sympathy and sailing, throw in the Seeker and the full version of Black Sabbath's "it's alright"

it should be called "N!ggers and F@gots!!" and have the demo, studio and live versions of One In A Million along with Look at your Game Girl and Back off Bitch and everything else than gnr ever did that ever offended every soft pussy out there.

Back off Bitch was offensive?

Guess Get in the ring isn't family friendly either

Ha!!

isn't this the guy who called a black security guard working one his shows the "n" word?

Thought that was metallica, they also didn't want to tour with NWA

When Axl sent this out on Twitter, "Go on! Back ur boy! But when he says he never killed no one that ain't exactly true. Yeah, that's right, stone cold.", I wonder if he was talking about this.

Thanks for the memory jog, good question.

This was bumped from 2010??

I smell fuckery afoot.

Do they still close out every show with Enter Sandman?

Ha!!! Would be better than load and reload!!

I can't stand trujillo, no reason at all, the guy simply irritates me. Wasn't he in suicidal tendancies? Cliff Burton was amazing. Loved ride the lightning ....

Axl should do an extended rant about Some Kind of Monster.

Nope, pretty sure James aka Papa Smurf, is still on the shit list.

Yeah especially since Metallica gets thanked in the CD liner notes

And hetfield did talk smack about the GNR rider again in 2010

From Punkglobe.com

"Todd, all of twenty-one years old, died in my arms," said Slash, of Guns N' Roses.

Throughout his recently published biography, Slash describes Todd Crew, of Jetboy fame, as his drug addicted best friend--the best friend he fervently tried to protect, but in the end, could not keep away from the thrill of the rock star lifestyle.

Slash paints a picture of Todd as a pushy dope fiend, dragging him through the streets of New York to score heroin and other drugs. He explains that the day of Todd's death he had tried to thwart his drug use but was "overruled."He claims that, while later that night he did inject Todd with heroin, he only did so because he could "tell it wasn't strong at all" -- performing the injection with the intent of regulating how much heroin Todd was given.

Slash further goes on to say that Todd must have been shot up later by a fellow party go-er because "what I gave him wasn't strong enough to cause what happened."

However, Todd's former band mates and the members of a recently reunited Jetboy believe something entirely different happened that night.

I sat down with Jetboy who were close friends of Todd Crew, to get the band's opinion on the death of Todd, and the comments made by Slash about the rock band Jetboy.

Marion Pierson: In Slash's' biography he says he stayed with Todd while everyone left, and that "he died in his arms". I understand you were told different information?

Jetboy: Absolutely...Slash is a liar and he knows it. The few people that were there that night knows what really happened and that Slash is 100% full of shit. Todd OD'd twice that night, we were told. The first time Slash didn't even bother calling 911. After they revived him for a minute, everyone freaked out, being high on dope; and left (Slash included).

When they came back, Todd was dead. That's when Slash finally called 911 -- when it was too late. It's a perfect alibi: "I wasn't here. When I got back Todd was dead."

Slash only cared about saving his own ass from criminal charges; which is exactly what happened. Slash walked away with no repercussions.

MP: So you're saying that Slash killed Todd?

Jetboy: Todd was killing himself, but Slash definitely aided him in his demise. Just read what he wrote In his book. This is what we believe happened.

Todd, on arrival, was "fucking drunk," according to Slash, at his hotel at 7am. Todd had just broken up with his long time girl friend and was distraught.

Slash took him to a Western Union so he could get money to buy heroin.

Slash bought a bottle of Jim Beam (Todd's choice of booze), after Todd can't even stand up straight, and as he was falling down, drunk .

Slash shot Todd up with heroin after Todd was, according to Slash in his book, "in no state to be messing with drugs."

Slash and Todd went to the movies, where Slash smuggled in a case of beer; and where they continued to drink excessively.

Slash and Todd go back to the hotel where Slash proceeded to shoot Todd up with more heroin (Todd had been drinking for 18 hours straight).

Todd OD'd the first time, and Slash revived Todd temporarily; but Slash then panicked and left instead of calling 911.

Slash comes back to the hotel room, finds that Todd has overdosed again; and finally called 911, after it was too late. Now Slash has the perfect alibi "I wasn't here when it happened."

Jetboy: Slash claims in his book that he was the "only one who did everything possible to keep Todd alive" Well, If your doing everything you can to keep someone alive" the last thing you do is shoot them up with heroin especially if you know that they have been drinking for 18 hours straight. You don't have to be Dr. Drew to know that the combination of heroin with that level of alcohol is going to be bad news.

Slash even said Todd "was in no state to be messing with drugs," but yet Slash shot him up with heroin; and then abandoned him, when he overdosed; instead of calling 911, like he should have. We can't think of a more selfish act. Slash didn't care about anything but saving himself from criminal charges. Don't forget that Slash has a proven track record of freaking out in these types of the situations and not taking responsibility.

If you read the Heroin Diaries by Nikki Sixx, you will see that Slash freaks out and panics when Nikki Sixx OD' d, and did nothing to help. He was even screaming Todd's name while it happened. Bottom line: Slash is a coward, and it bothers us that Slash walked away with no repercussions; after enabling and providing drugs and alcohol to someone as he said was "in no state to be messing with drugs."

Slash knows the truth and he will have to live with the choices he made and the lies he told and is still telling to this day. He lied to us, he lied to the police, he lied to Todd's friends and family, and he lied to his fans in his book.

We think that Slash is in such denial that he probably believes his own "BS" because he has been telling these lies for so long. And to think he calls Todd all through his book, "my best friend'? That is more Bull Shit.

MP: I'm sure you've checked out Slash's' biography. Were you surprised when he labeled you guys "poseurs"?

Jetboy: "That's like the whole irony of everything when he says 'they [Jetboy] weren't as transparent' which is what I believe he says, because we had a singer with a 'Mohawk' the first thing that comes to mind is, 'Fuck you.'

That's not how it was back then and if you did feel that way then why did you do shows with us, and have both bands hang all the time. At the time, we backed each other up --the two bands were very close. The reason he said that in the book is because he wanted to put us down. It's what Slash has done ever since, because of the situation that happened with Todd; starting when Jetboy fired Todd, up to his passing away, which was six months after he was let go from Jetboy.

Jetboy in 2008

MP: Slash says in his book that you [Jetboy] kicked Todd out of the band, and replaced him with Sam Yaffa from Hanoi Rocks with little or nor discussion. Why was Todd kicked out of the band?

Jetboy: We did fire Todd from the band. It was the choice we made after many talks with him over his alcohol abuse. When Todd joined the band, he was not a very big partier: wine coolers was his drink of choice.

As time went on and the band started to do well Todd's drinking got worse and ended up with a bottle of Jim Beam everyday.

Before we let Todd go, our manager at the time approached Guns N' Roses to ask if they would join us to have an intervention and get him help. Their answer was, 'he's fine, you guys just don't like to party as much?'

After our last attempt to talk with Todd, who ended up with no change, we then made the decision to let him go. Our management then contacted Sam Yaffa, and he was into the offer. Sam was in, Todd was out. This is where the feud began and it would never be the same between Guns N' Roses and Jetboy ever again.

Right after Todd had been fired from Jetboy, things got really ugly between both bands - not all of the members; it was really just three of them. When we would see each other out at clubs or shows, it was just a bad vibe. Even friends, the G 'N' R hanger-oners, would give us attitude.

It amazed us on how people just involved themselves with other people's business when they had no fucking clue what went on. And what the real fucked up part is, none of those people really knew the real Todd; the guy who was a good friend, smart, loving, caring; and who came from a very good family. All they knew was that Todd loved to party, and that's really sad.

MP: Slash also says that you stole Todd's equipment and refused to give it back. Any truth to that?

Jetboy: What happened was we had gotten an advance from Elektra records and each member bought some new gear. When Todd was fired, our manager let him take everything but the gear the label had just paid for. He got all his stuff back other than a new amp or something Second, this was not our choice, nor were we Involved in it. Our management did all this. What's funny about this part of Slash's twisted little fairy tale: in his book, maybe two years later,Guns N' Roses fired their original drummer Steven Adler for drug abuse and they had Matt Sorum already set up to replace him.

They then had Steven sign a contract which forfeited all his earnings from the day he was fired onward. We've always wondered what amount of money that added up to.

We bet it was way more than some bass gear. So again, who the fuck is this guy to judge us with something that Is none of his business ? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Look what his band did to his high school buddy Steven.

MP: Did Slash know Todd had a problem with heroin? Wasn't that why Todd was kicked out of the band?

Jetboy: The first thing Is, Todd did not have a problem with heroin, he had a problem with alcohol. Todd would dabble in drugs, but his choice was booze. So when they scored dope it was Slash who was the experienced one and was a dope user. He says this in his book. To think that Slash is looked up to by so many people out there is fucking disgusting.

MP: Slash talks about a Goth band being there when Todd overdosed. Do you know who that was? Anyone Famous?

Jetboy: This we don't know anything about.

MP: Slash also alludes to possibly scoring the heroin that killed Todd at Chosei Funahara's [bass player of the Plasmatics] house. Do you know anything about that? Would you blame Chosei in any way had that been the heroin that killed Todd?

Jetboy: This Is something we are not to sure enough to comment on.

MP: Did Todd parents sue Slash? If so, what happened with that?

Jetboy: I don't think so. It says In the book they had him investigated; but after Todd was fired, we had little, then no contact with Slash or Todd's parents from then on.

MP: Did you ever see a police report about this?

Jetboy: No, but it sure would be interesting to see. With how things are today, twenty years later,I'm sure many questions about Todd's death could be answered.

MP: What would you say to Slash if you saw him today?

Jetboy: Hmmm, that's a tough one for us. It would be nice to have something positive said about Todd after all these years and drug stories, at the end of all this we lost a good friend who just took things a little to far and could not handle it. As for Slash, shame on you for going down this road twenty years ago with who you considered your best friend and for all the shit you've said about Jetboy on your way to the top and back down, fuck you ! Why don't ya say it to our faces ? Again, because he is the same coward now that he was back then.

By Marion Pierson.

Don't shoot the messenger, I saw it thought it would make worthy discussion material.

I always loved Hanoi Rocks....not particularly crazy about N6 even if he did come back from the dead, unlike Todd Crew ....ahem;cough

Pitiful that a grown seasoned man -Jon Bongiovi- would call anyone that has nothing to do with his life an aasshole.Bieber is 19. Both BonJovi and Bieber put out sappy meaningless music but if it makes people happy then fine.I wouldn't go to either concert with front row seats and back stage access. I think JBJ image is vile. I do. I don't believe he is ubercharitable either. The most charitable acts are undisclosed. I don't think it's cool to post that info about JBJ's daughter either. Overdose is a very near reality to loads of people.They pop pills, go to sleep, and never wake up.

It's way too easy to OD, have had a close call when I was younger that bounced me into a hospital being pumped full of charcoal, made me shit black for a week. And this was not smack, but just as deadly.

If this story opens up one single person's eyes about a child, or friend in trouble with drugs or depressed, it is worth posting and reading.

Sometimes the truth is harsh and unwelcome but it is still the truth.

If my main goal was to simply talk shit about Bonjovi because I dislike him/ his music/ his pompousity I could post the article where sambora is firing back at allegations that he has substance abuse probs again.

Somebody mentioned BJs daughters episode and it seemed an open door to maybe save a life or two.

Bieber, you gotta fight for your right to party.

Such a beastly quote .

realistically, not many people (if any at all) would buy a live CD or DVD by the current band. Probably not even enough to justify the production costs. Plus it would be another failure accounted to Axl.

You do realize that CD top the charts (sales, not singles) all over the world right? And I'm not even counting the US with the BB fiasco.

Good terminology..BB was definitely a fiasco as were the many fuck ups surrounding the release.

If Axl actually put out multiple albums by this now, we probably would get a "Best Of" album. Unfortunately we only got one album in 2008 and there's no clear cut idea that we will get another one.

Damn them, sitting on all that unheard music specifically to spite the fans....

Nope, pretty sure James aka Papa Smurf, is still on the shit list.