Crash Diet

"Why would I criticize something that I love?

I dunno

because you got a brain?

feel that some of the recordings we did in that limited amount of time had some of the best playing that Slash had done at least since Illusions. I was there. I know what I heard and it was pretty exciting."

Wow, i wanna hear that recordings....

Also, Tobias is shit live, but i like his studio work on CD and another plus point is: Back Off Bitch, Shadow of Your Love

And?

this

plus Paul Tobias is a terrible live player

based on what?

Based on the 2001 bootlegs. If i can hear him play, he plays shitty.

Is it a good answer for you?

To MSL and SoulMonster:

We know. You have told us several times over, in one way or another, that you are happy with the shows and setlists and that we should be happy with them too. You have no problems with the show and we are aware of that because you enter every setlist discussion and find a way to let us know how wrong we are for complaining about it. So how about if the topic is about the setlist you just skip it and read something else on the forum? I'm getting tired of wanting to discuss setlists only to have to skip through several pages of one or both of you bickering with someone else about how happy we should be about the state of things and how we should stop complaining.

Thanks

Great post

This is the worst use of a bridge metaphor I have ever read. Matt Sorum would have been a better example with his introduction of Robin Finck. But to call that person a "Bridge"? Terrible choice of words. There is no bridge.

That's exactly what I was gonna say. If Paul Huge was the bridge, he's like one of those shitty bridges made of worn out ropes and the occasional wooden step. The guy had zero personality even in the new band. That being said I'll give him credit for helping write some of the best tunes on CD and I'd definitely call him THE rhythm guitarist of nu-GN'R as opposed to Richard.

Glad I'm not the only one. I think Paul was the North Korean demilitarized zone between 'Old' and 'New' GN'Rs. No turning back.

So Sympathy for the Devil = the first New GN'R recording?

nope

You may know, they write some stuff after the SFTD cover...

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plus Paul Tobias is a terrible live player

So let me get this straight. Rio 2001, which featured a worse sounding band and Axl than Rio 2011, is somehow considered a classic show while 2011 is the worst Guns show of all time?

The lack of any form of common sense here is amazing.

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This concert is the worst GNR show ever.

Axl sounds pure crap and the band isn't tight at all.

Sometimes being overpracticed leads to the music becoming sterile.

Rio 2001 - band had only been rehearsing for a month or two before their first performance.

Rock am Ring - Bumblefoot had only been with the band like a month and they were all learning to gel with each other.

Both time periods had a sense of unpredictability about them - everyone was trying out new shit.

I think Axl tweeted that the 2011 tour was the smoothest tour they've ever done. That doesn't necessarily translate to exciting shows, though.

GNR should be about unpredictability and a sense of chaos.

Rio 2001 valid points, but still shit.

Before the 2006 Rock am Ring show, i seen them with BBF at that tour. The band much tighter than the 2001 lineup... Unfortunately the crowd doesn't like BBF (y'know they yelling Slash and stuff)

and yeah RIR 2011 is a big fiasco (except Estranged)

GNR should be about unpredictability and a sense of chaos.

Yes. But those days are gone now. Even the 2001, 2002 line-ups has got the chaos factor (maybe the 2006 tour), but since the album is released, no unpredictability and a sense of chaos...

Sometimes being overpracticed leads to the music becoming sterile.

Yeah, but in 2001 they haven't really practiced the catalog... Unprofessionalism is the word.

I think you think the raw sounds and chaos and stuff, but sometimes sterile, proper music performance is better.

I can remember downloading the MP3s of this show from Napster and thinking it was an audience recording. It was only years later when I saw the videos that I realized that this was the soundboard audio. Whoever was behind that mixing board, I hope they don't have a job anymore. Except the mix also sucked at RIR '06 and '11, so it's probably the same guy.

RIO is a fucked up festival at all!

So let me get this straight. Rio 2001, which featured a worse sounding band and Axl than Rio 2011, is somehow considered a classic show while 2011 is the worst Guns show of all time?

The lack of any form of common sense here is amazing.

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This concert is the worst GNR show ever.

Axl sounds pure crap and the band isn't tight at all.

Love the ambition and mystery surrounding that performance. It was kinda like a promise. Back then, you could see Axl wanted to take that band to the limit, trying not to be negative now but... he doesn't seem to be that ambitious nowadays. The only things I don't like about that performance is GnR's look, which was ridiculous, and how they made Chris Pitman so loud in the mix. Those synth effects on SCOM and YCBM really sucked.

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calm the fuck down you idiot

if meeting axl is the highlight to your life then i suggest you call up that grave digger and get your burial to the pits of the earth delivered sooner

Well it's preferable to playing the banjo with your 13 fingers or fucking your sister which I'm guessing you find appealing if your username is anything to go by!

Dazey for president

Just because someone isn't at one particular concert doesn't mean they haven't been to another, or or a dozen others, and it certainly doesn't mean they can't verbalize an opinion on it. I think it's a testament to the fan base and their support of this band that they even care at all what is played at a show they aren't at. When the band actually does something different from the usual, like Estranged when they first played it, or TWAT several nights ago, the threads blew up and a lot of people were excited. Hoping for something different or new in the set list shouldn't be perceived as a negative all the time.

this

great post

lol

Not a good idea.

If this thread is pinned, and people going to debate on the setlist, this thread goes over 1000 pages,and the debate it's impossible to follow...

Less covers/jams and more GnR songs!

and pretty much this

That is one of the dumbest comparisons that I have ever seen made on this board.

Ron's contributions to CD are exactly equal to Slash's contributions on most of the pre-CD material. That is not opinion, it is fact.

:rofl-lol:

and you talked dumbest comparisons?

you're dumb nevertheless

Maybe 2006

But

I love Buckethead, but i can't stand Robin Finck

I like Ron Thal at 2006. his guitar tone was better than the 2009-

I can't stand DJ, but it seems to me, he's the only member who wants new music...

Things are complicated

What was Axl's smell?

stinky?

while it freed Guns N' Roses from the shackles of the pentatonic scale and allowed the band to evolve as a music act. It is basically a win-win scenario and I wish most fans would realize this, instead of complaining about it all the time and attacking whatever person they consider the fault for what happened.

Lamest post of the month....

If the so called pentatonic Slash play doesn't allowed in GNR, you couldn't hear this new band evolve as a music act...

Please ,consider things realisticly. If Slash and Axl and Izzy, and Duff and Adler doesn't make AFD, this current band is never existed. Never. Ever.

Win-win scenario? Not for the GNR fans...

saw Slash two weeks ago and 25% of his set was songs from Appetite. I saw GNR a couple months before that and 25% of their set was songs from Appetite.

You easily forgot the UYI's and Lies...

It goes both ways. If you look at Slash's solo live album, 1/3 of the songs are GN'R songs. I'd say Slash's career has and is still benefitting from playing songs others have co-written.

Not an entirely fair comparison. Slash has been touring solo since 1996. For about a decade, he didn't touch anything but It's So Easy and Mr. Brownstone. Heaven's Door popped up once or twice at benefit gigs and Paradise City was played at a talk show appearance when Velvet was known as The Project. He really didn't start indulging in GNR material until he began working on and subsequently released his self-titled album.

The only time in his post-GnR days he's been able to get away with not playing GnR tunes and playing anything more than bars is when he was with VR. With Azoff in their corner, they followed Audioslave's formula to a tee and had a very successful debut album and tour. The second time, they thought they could do it themselves (with Perla as manager instead of Azoff) and the album and tour both tanked horribly.

These days Slash is relegated to playing 1500 person venues and the only reason he's not playing plain old bars is the GnR tunes. So let's not pretend this decision was voluntary; he has a money hungry/spend happy wife and the only way he can attract 1000-1500 people to his concerts is the GnR stuff.

Yeah, Snakepit does bar shows...

So let's not pretend this decision was voluntary; he has a money hungry/spend happy wife and the only way he can attract 1000-1500 people to his concerts is the GnR stuff.

Bullshit! My link

and this was just the solo stuff...

Your arguments fills in for Axl...

Nobody has ever really cared about anything he did after GnR aside from Contraband, and that was as much a product of Scott/STP's popularity and GnR's popularity combined with the presences of Duff/Matt's as it was Slash, as much as that may hurt some people to admit.

Yeah,yeah, because Duff/Matt gained more popularity than him...

Please, stfu

Fucking great record. Yeah Myles voice annoying sometimes, but still a great record.

Can't wait to see Slash live again rock1

I just wanted to say thank you to undo my ban.

Seems to me, things going changed around here

I also enjoy the Returned group

No one, and I mean no one, cares what Slash has to say.

No one, and I mean no one, cares what iftheworld has to say.

Mr. Dizzy Reed

Spacey? He's high?

definitely

Been high is the best restful thing to do

Weed n' Greet for the fans!

B) rock1