Flayer

2 hours ago, Pedrolg said:

Every single argument against vaccines in this thread is based on lies and misinformation or wrongful manipulation of data presented in a dishonest or superficial manner. 

Comparing pre-vaccine infection rates with current infection rates is ludicrous. We ended last year on severe lockdowns. Of all people, those at a GNR forum should recognize that the US and the world opened up. We are discussing packed concerts in stadiums, after all. 

Still, if one is to compare infection rates, it is dishonest or stupid to do so without also comparing death rates. While vaccines are partially effective in preventing infection, their main goal is to prevent serious ilness and death. The fact that deaths are not rising at the same rate that cases corroborate the hundreds of studies available and fully published that already showed that most of our current vaccines are effective against serious ilness and deaths, even with the delta variant.

Absolutely nothing is being hidden from anybody. Everything is out in the open. Vaccines were very effective at preventing infection, but covid mutated, there are new variants, delta and possibily lambda. It's widely accepted and admitted by the scientific community and governements that this effectiveness is severely reduced against new variants. Still, studies and analysis of countries where vaccination is advanced show that, thankfully, effectiveness against serious disease and death are holding up.  SO FAR.

I say "so far" because unlike what most people seem to think, vaccines are not an individual line of defense, they are a collective line of defense. A large % of vaccinated people makes it really hard for the virus to evolve and mutate. Unvaccinated people, on the other hand, are a fucking playground for mutation. The more of you antivaxxers are out there, the greater that chance of covid evolving into a variant that indeed renders current vaccines and treatments useless. Scientists have been warning us about it. It will happen.

By refusing the vaccine and advocating against it you are helping the virus fight humanity. You are jeopardizing our fight as a species against a virus that is adapting and has killed millions of people. Not thousands, or hundreds of thousands, but millions. The new strains are more agressive and more dangerous. Humanity has no other answer, as of now, except the vaccines. They are our best shot.

So in my book, and I'm sure that a lot of others here agree but are to polite too say it, this makes you - any person who refuses the vaccine or has taken upon themselves to fight the vaccines - a fucking idiot. Your ignorance kills people. Please, try to inform yourself about what's is truly at stake here. If you refuse to do so and insist on replying to well informed posts with multiple scientific sources with lies and memes, than suit yourself, but don't complain afterwards about the kind of replies you will get. Most of us non-idiots can't do anything to hold you accountable for your irresponsible, death causing behaviour - yet, at least. But we reserve the right to treat fucking idiots for what they are.

And in my book, an idiot is someone who who buys into the narrative of a moderately severe respiratory illness being an apocalyptic threat that demands a state of perpetual emergency. How foolish is it to know how our governments took advantage of the last supposedly existential threat we faced (a handful of terrorist attacks) to permanently assume and abuse new powers, curtail civil rights, and implement a total surveillance state, but think that this time it will be nothing like that - this time they really care and have all our best interests at heart, and they’ll really let things all go back to normal if everyone follows their directions just a little bit longer?

They’re gonna be locking things up and locking things down again for the next twenty years or more, whether 70% of the population takes the vaccine, or 90%, or 99.9%. Restrictions are never going away for more than a few months at a time. Variants are never going to stop arising. You, a believer in science, think that some magic bullet is going to stop the process of evolution in its tracks? Knowing how decades of widespread vaccine use has never put an end to the rise of new strains of seasonal influenza?

That is what I mean when I say “not working as advertised.” They’re selling it as a miracle that’s going to put everything right again - so how dare anyone stand in its way? But there is no miracle. It saves some lives - but it doesn’t stop transmissions. It doesn’t stop variants. This disease will never be eradicated. The state of emergency will never be lifted.

Take the vaccine, don’t take it, up to you, I don’t care. It’s the mandates that are the issue. Liberty versus safety, and I favor liberty. It’s that simple. Living freely is more precious than living a few extra years. We’re all going to die of something one day. You may not share that mindset yourself, but if you can’t at least understand it, I don’t know how you ever have been a fan of the band that made Appetite.

Am I one of those people who worries about Bill Gates injecting everyone with microchips? No. But there is a mind game at play here, of taking everyone’s righteous anger and frustration at the abuses and incompetence of our governments and at the corporations who’ve profiteered and exploited this situation, and redirecting it the powerless ordinary people on the other side, the vaxed against the unvaxed (and before that, the masked and the unmasked).

Who is it that’s really getting away with murder here? Who is it that has really been robbing you for the last year? It’s the people who’ve been making the rules, not the people who’ve been breaking them.

31 minutes ago, GnR Chris said:

I said this already and maybe you chose to ignore it. Take Chicago, for example. Last November, almost everything was shut down. There were no live concerts. No one was attending sporting events. No large public gatherings. Everyone was wearing a mask in grocery stores. Restaurants were closed for indoor dining. Bars were closed. More people were working from home.

You take that into account, and then compare it right now where people are out and about (Lollapalooza, Cubs games, restaurants, clubs, etc), and say "infections are the same as last November." What do you think the infection rate would have been last November before the vaccine if Chicago was the wide open free-for-all it is now?

In Chicago, the death rate is lower now than it was during the peak of the crisis last year (when everyone was staying home).

In the month of June 2021, 96 percent of the people hospitalized for covid-19 in Chicago were not vaccinated. 

Source: https://blockclubchicago.org/2021/08/09/more-than-70-of-adults-in-chicago-have-now-gotten-at-least-1-covid-19-vaccine-shot/

Why, if they hadn’t locked everything down, it might have gotten just as bad there as Sweden!

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe-mortality-idUSKBN2BG1R9

On 8/8/2021 at 8:25 AM, rocknroll41 said:

There’s also a rumor that HardSkool is about Izzy, more so than Slash.

I heard The General was about Fernando

5 hours ago, NachoLZ said:

I miss all this part:

What can I do? With a bitch like you
You know that it's true
All I have I ask of you
I'll be dammed
If it's not true
A bitch like you

Was that really the words? Always heard “with all I am / I ask that you all be damned”

1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

There is good reason for everybody to get vaccinated because it does reduce the likelihood of getting sick and die and if you are vaccinated and get sick you are less likely to spread it to others. 

A rate of new infections this August with ~70% of the population vaccinated being around the same as that of last November, when ~0% of the population was vaccinated suggests this simply is not true.

1 hour ago, GnR Chris said:

But last year, everything was shut down. There were no large gatherings, no live concerts, sports events. Mask mandates were in place, etc. It stands to reason that even with a vaccine, cases would persist. Especially considering half the country refuses to get the vaccine. But there are fewer deaths last I checked. It's hard to have a civil conversation with people who don't even argue in good faith. Folks here gave you statistics that you dismiss as "Russo-Chinese-Nazi disinformation" conspiracies. But you won't source anything you're saying.

How much of the lower death rate is from the demographics who were most acutely vulnerable to the disease dying of it in the first wave and not being around to die of it again? The vast majority of the population is at a statistically negligible chance to die from it in the first place, so there’s little point in anyone outside the high risk demographic taking it.

If it doesn’t prevent or slow transmissions to any significant extent, only lessen their severity, then there’s no “herd immunity” effect from everyone taking it - and thus no moral imperative for everyone to get it.

Figures obtained from notorious Russo-Chinese-Nazi disinformation conspiracy website the New York Times. It’s not August 1st anymore. Deaths are twice as high as that in the last two days.

Someone (not sure if he wishes to be named) made me a version of the locker leaks edition with the “what can I do?” and “Absurd!” choruses and a few added guitar parts, not the Bumblefoot 2006 ones unfortunately. Having both of those really fills out the song.

The 2006 Bumblefoot ones would have to be rearranged somewhat since they moved the verses around.

Just now, tsinindy said:

Not the purpose of the vaccine, try educating yourself.....the purpose of the vaccine from the beginning was to prevent severe illness, hospitalization, and death.

Reported deaths per day at the moment are not far off from last November’s, when the infection rate was on par with the current one. It’s doing far less than advertised. 

Reported infections just as high as last year’s despite 70% of the population being vaccinated, yeah these shots clearly work.

3 minutes ago, Fozzie Bear said:

Dude, nobody cares about 4 journalist opinions anymore who are all hoping to get Axl interviews lined up.  Media are all shills now. 

You’re agreeing with me, so why are you arguing?

Just now, Fozzie Bear said:

Wow, that was a lot of work.  Just read the YouTube comments on GN'Rs official posting of the song.  Everyone hates it. 

That’s my point, there’s a big disconnect between what the fans are saying and what we’re hearing from the music publications, which makes me doubt that the critics are really judging the music on its merits.

It’s a fun song to blast while driving around like a maniac

10 hours ago, Nice Boy said:

Tbh I don't think it sounds that much like him, other than being a high raspy singer of sorts. I've heard better, like that Juan the Beast guy. 

It's better than most people could do though.

 

 

The voice is about 50% on point (and not too far off when it’s not), the look and the moves 100%. 

1 hour ago, ToonGuns said:

What version of Scraped is that?! A fan remix?

Fan remix

Scraped is far better than Riad if you ask me. The version of Scraped with the drum intro and heavier guitars is a regular on my playlists. Riad is something I’ll listen to a few times a year at the most.

On 10/28/2020 at 6:34 PM, Flayer said:

Live Like A Suicide has it almost right. With two minor adjustments:

 

So now you got more than you bargained for

You’re all alone now

You forgot about the others you were begging for

You're all alone

So talk to the ones that you want to ignore

You're all alone now

You used to be a little crazy now there's so much more

You're all alone

Update: I listened to it again today and this time I heard the third line as “You’re surrounded by the others you were begging for” instead.

Which would present an interesting contrast to the overriding “you’re all alone.” Perhaps it speaks of someone who has surrounded herself with false friends and flatterers as a substitute for true companions and loved ones (referred to in the next line as “the ones that you want to ignore”). Or himself, of course. After all, who’s the number one person that comes to mind for all of us in that case? Perhaps Axl had someone else in mind but ended up writing a wakeup call best directed at himself.

EDIT: It also fits much better with the line before it, “so you got more than you bargained for.” You got all those ‘friends’ and admirers you always wanted. And yet you’re more alone now than ever. I am now fully convinced this is the true version of that line.

I like many, perhaps even most of the song’s individual elements, but the sum is just way less than its parts. The vocals are abrasive and grating to listen to, the lyrics don’t say much to me, and the song overall just fails to evoke any particular mood. And the leaked versions with the heavier mix aren’t much better.

Mystery Inc on a mission to unmask The Chairman

On 1/31/2021 at 9:14 AM, allwaystired said:

Sounds like you got lucky. It's killed otherwise healthy people I know. 

I like to think we live in a world where people do things for the benefit of others health and wellbeing, rather than simply their own. 

Taking a vaccine after already having the disease would do nothing for anyone else’s benefit.

I prefer to live in a world where people are free to make their own decisions as to how much caution or how much risk they choose to live their own lives with. There is no shame in either.

Already had COVID. It was nothing, I’ve had worse colds. No vaccine for me.

Always get goosebumps for a few seconds on the last solo of Prostitute.