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6 hours ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

Overall he still does it like you'd expect in 2023, but man check out some parts like this one line from 3:35-3:40, absolutely PRIME Axl. You'd think his 1992 self teleported back and possessed him just to deliver that line

 

I'm sorry, he doesn't sound ANYTHING like 1992 there. Certainly not in the his spirit has inhabited his body or anything. I don't know how to describe what that is but its not 1992. Its more like a muppet croaking than anything else. And I'm really not meaning to be negative, but, to me, thats such a weird thing to call out as "prime Axl". Prime Axl is the voice we know him to have back then, not just anytime he's not totally clean voiced.

2 minutes ago, Rovim said:

I don't understand why Axl is to blame for not wanting to reunite back then, especially since he invested so much of himself in Chinese and probably wanted his work to get the chance it deserved after all this time. Regardless of the chances of Chinese commercially, it was Azoff's job to do what Axl wanted him to do, and like I've said already, if you can't do it or you have different plans, then don't pretend that your goal is to satisfy your client when it isn't.

Sure, but have you met Irving Azoff? His goal is to make the most amount of money for his client. A GNR reunion is what would do that, especially once Axl kinda squandered opportunities for NuGuns to really be its own entity. Its not surprising to me at all that Azoff would push that. I wouldn't expect it to go over well with Axl, but I could also see Azoff thinking he could sweet talk Axl in a way that others couldn't. He's not wrong to have pushed it, any sane man would, or at least massage Axl into thinking its his own idea. But in the end it seems it was never gonna happen until Slash, unfortunately, got a divorce and kinda came crawling back with his tail between his legs. I was team Slash the whole way, but Axl won the war with the reunion. Done on his terms.

On 10/31/2023 at 11:28 PM, Caedo said:

Lol serious recency bias going on in this poll - great tune but it’s not even close to the top tier of CD (Better, Prostitute and TWAT) in my mind

The bar has been set so low that this is being seen as the greatest thing ever.  Its fine, but like you say it doesn't touch top tier CD. Its just shiny and new and it was unexpected, but to come even close to comparing it to TWAT or Prostitute, to me, shows how desperate we are for new material that we're not thinking straight.

Slightly curious if there's a handwritten stage setlist to reference for last night. Very curious what the original set must have been before Axl clearly hit a wall and called some audibles. Curious if the General was setlisted or not.

Can't imagine much changing. I actually thought before this year they really needed to shake it up, and to their credit they did. From here on out, I expect just more of the same. They covered most of the songs this time around that hadn't come out and I'd have expected earlier like Bad Obsession and Pretty Tied Up. At this point, the biggest songs that haven't been revived are Think About You, Move To The City and Perfect Crime. I guess Dust N Bones and 14 Years if Izzy came back, and maybe You Ain't The First but thats about it.

They've covered about 60 different songs at this point since 2016, including all the various covers. The only two "gimmicks" I could see them having left to play if they wanted are an original 5 Appetite lineup, or a tour where they play all of Appetite, both of which seemed more likely to me before this year. Now I don't feel they'll really have to. Then I guess there's the farewell tour but yeah, I don't know. I think they could just continue this as long as they want.

There's no way we get an album. IMO.

3 minutes ago, meadsoap said:

But I still defend him because overall this tour has been the best in a couple years, he gives 100% every night, and the reason he sounds rough is not due to lack of effort but because biologically he has changed as most people do as they age. I was lucky to catch them in Knoxville and though I see his flaws, I came out with more respect for him than ever.

My only wish is that he takes it easier on himself in the future and change up the songs so they aren't causing him so much strain and exhaustion. That's what's unsustainable (and frankly a little baffling why he hasn't already) in my point of view.

Without question, this is the most I've enjoyed Axl since the reunion started. He killed it for the most part, and his energy and enthusiasm was my favorite part of most shows. The other guys are usually reliably good, and Axl absolutely held his own this year, with some excellent choice new songs that freshened up the set and didn't strain his voice. I think his biggest issue is the undroppable songs are the ones he just can't do anymore. I saw Bon Jovi years ago and his set was great till he got to Bad Medicine, Runaway, Wanted Dead or Alive and Livin On A Prayer at the end. He just can't sing them anymore, and that sucks cause he can't not play them. Its like Jungle, Sweet Child, Paradise City and November Rain. Vocally his hardest songs are the ones people wait to hear from him and he's known for, but he still sounds great on the lower register ones.

2 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

Disclaimer- I still had a great time! Thanks for debuting The General, last night, Axl!

Same here! There's a video my friend took of he and I going nuts during Nightrain and Paradise City. I've seen the band enough, doesn't really matter how he sounds to me, I'm there to have fun and thats exactly what we did. And I got fucking Locomotive. They could do the worst version of it ever and I'll still be happy. Moments like that and the General for you, thats just being there. We're all there to have a blast while this band still exists, criticisms aren't meant to cancel that out, its just other notes.

1 minute ago, ZoSoRose said:

We’ve also been listening to aspects of Mickey for years so we’re used to it. I’m pretty forgiving but last night was a train wreck 

Absolutely there's good and bad. I was thrilled with what I saw on Wednesday, but I'm not gonna lie to people and say he sounded good. I was with a friend, he has ears, he'd think I was crazy to defend that lol. I was like "this is worse than usual." And again, thats not said in a judgey way. I saw him in August and thought he sounded better, this is later in the tour I'm sure he's more tired. I also give him credit I really had no problem with his voice this week because I thought he was a lot more animated, which is a perfectly reasonable trade off for me. I'm not expecting the world from him. Hollywood Bowl didn't help him either, as I'm sure you noticed last night, cause his voice was really high in the mix. Which I liked but doesn't help to drown out any of his bum notes.

33 minutes ago, AtlasShrugged said:

I really don't think we can say that objectively. And being the first isn't an excuse - he's a professional singer, he's supposed to rehearse for these moments which he admitted he hasn't.

It isn't as much of a disaster as Hard School is live and probably marginally better than Perhaps but it's really below par.

Do really like both of the new songs though - just a shame how he can't perform vocally.

The hoops people will jump through to defend him is really an Olympic sport at this point. He sounds terrible, there's nothing wrong with saying that. If its not weak, then its strong Mickey, which is still Mickey, and still at times sounds a lot like a dying cat. Dude is 62? I'm not judging him for it, I applaud he even goes out on stage. But seriously, its like there's no objectivity in anything with Axl anymore.

25 minutes ago, Dani_1455 said:

Has someone imagined if The General hasn't leaked how would have been our reaction yesterday or when they play Monsters if they play it

Realistically? They probably wouldn't have played it. I wish, WISH, it wasn't like pulling teeth with this band but it always is. Not putting out Chinese from 2000-2008? What are we supposed to do? At some point, we needed leaks. By the time the band finally gets somewhere its usually because some other entity has pushed them. It would have been great if we got the General without ever having heard it, but thats just not how they operate. Its the same as the whole Perhaps release as well. There's just always an issue with these guys and while this was a great moment, it could have been even more epic if they were a little more well run. And I don't think thats asking too much. Just feels like they get mad about stuff that is mostly self inflicted.

On 10/30/2023 at 7:45 AM, Stay.Of.Execution said:

i think 70€ for a conspirators show is pretty outrageous.

I couldn't BELIEVE his show at the Beacon was like $125 in New York. I get it, its NY, its a premium, he's back in GNR so it costs more. But fuck, I used to see Slash for $50 AFTER fees. And the setlists were SO much better. Guns, VR and Snakepit material, in addition to quality solo music. Now all of that is gone and the new solo music is quite bland. And what he plays from his other solo albums are basically just the hits, which were never my most favorite.

Still love the guy and that band, which I think is seriously underrated, but rising prices and poorer sets can't bring me back to seeing him again. I've just seen too many far superior shows before he rejoined Guns that it can't compare.

Anyone else think Axl kinda looks like Danny Elfman these days lol? Random thought I had when I was at Hollywood Bowl #1.

1 minute ago, Amir said:

Hats off to Axl for singing The General, especially on the second of two gigs in two days. I think it works better live without all the vocal effects and the more powerful guitar.

I honestly wouldn't mind shorter setlists like this in future, I was good with it at London in 2022, and they're still longer than most UYI shows or the 2001-2 ChiDem concerts. I can't see them doing two consecutive nights in future, it's obviously really taxing on Axl these days.

A shorter set will probably be necessary at some point, but I just hope it doesn't end up as this every night:

1. Its So Easy
2. Mr. Brownstone
3. Chinese Democracy
4. Welcome To The Jungle
5. Live And Let Die
6. Estranged
7. Double Talkin' Jive
8. Rocket Queen
9. You Could Be Mine
10. Civil War
11. Sweet Child O Mine
12. November Rain
13. Knockin' On Heaven's Door
14. Nightrain

ENCORE:
15. Patience/Don't Cry
16. Paradise City

Casuals will love it, but thats the 2 hour show there. We get almost an hour and a half of extras these days, which really help to go repeat times. And its hard for me to picture shows where they don't feel obligated to play ALL of them (even though I think you could certainly rotate those all in but not play them every night).

1 minute ago, ZoSoRose said:

NGL The General saved this show for me

Hey dude good to hear from you!

 

they’re on PC now  short encore

Wow! I'm truly shocked. Was so glad to see you were at this show too! I was there last night so I'm bummed to miss The General but also that looks like the only thing of note here. He must have been really crushed after last night. I was thrilled to get Locomotive, but also Axl sounded rough almost the whole show. Its not totally surprised he's destroyed tonight. Cool that he gave the moment of the General to make up for an almost 45 minute shorter show.

Still hope you had a great time! You got an all time moment for sure!

1 minute ago, ZoSoRose said:

Shorter show but I guess it’s okay. Axl needs some rest, this has been a long tour and back to back nights are probably tough

I feel like you might be in for a long encore. No Reckless Life, Hard Skool, You Could Be Mine, Locomotive, Street Of Dreams, Down On The Farm or Anything Goes tonight so far. You must be getting SOME of those in the encore

2 minutes ago, NachoLZ said:

yes it was

shit, you're right

Just now, GoForJMark said:

This is the first time since Absurd that they're debuting a new song live, instead of an official studio release right?

Hard Skool wasn't out yet when they played it first time live

1 minute ago, Skamos66 said:

Perhaps TB was wrong
When they didn't release you
Hay hay
Perhaps TB was wrong
When we don't believe the,m
But we already know how it feels
What it is to be us
We've been so upset
Waiting for this release for days
What a wait upon our shoulders
That we don't need
Our heart bleeds for release

AI recording that?

Just now, bumblerose said:

Damn slash's solo is a bit ... Meh

He's putting solos over songs that already had solos. Not really fair to judge him until they actually make a new song.

This is the greatest song they've recorded since The Sweet Child Of Mine

Don't be a pussy AI guy. I always liked you the best.

1 minute ago, BillConnor_1982 said:

It’s possible these are still old vocals but just recorded after the rough mix from 2000.  We don’t know what work was done on it from 2001-2023

We do, but if you don't want to believe it that is a mistake you'll have to live with the rest of your life.

Just now, Jw224 said:

Every single song that has been released so far has had the same vocals. 

Thats cause every single song didn't have a picture of Axl Rose in the studio. I'm sure they buried that guy's body after posting the studio pic. Nothing was real until we got that photo of those sweet sweet juicy GNR boys with engineers.