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I liked it when I was seventeen; now it seems lame. I'd honestly rank it lower than "My World."
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15 hours ago, Pedrolg said:
They are re-recorded.
There's been a lot of debate on this. A few years ago I attended a panel with Jim Barber, an A&R guy at Geffen whose last project with the company was spearheading the Live Era album (which he said was one of the biggest disappointments of his career). He swore up and down that the vocals on that album were just heavily doctored from UYI shows and rehearsals. That being said, he openly admitted he was so tired of the project that he did not really keep a close eye on a lot of it towards the end. He did say there was no specific recording sessions where Axl sat in a booth and re-recorded vocals. There was no "let's try 'My Michelle' again Axl." As Barber said, it was hard enough to get Axl singing new songs. The last thing Axl wanted to do was sit in a studio and record old songs.
Others have posted here who might be "in the know" and suggested that while many of the vocals are definitely from 1998/1999, many of them might come from times Axl jumped in and sang with the band while they were rehearsing old songs (mainly for the re-recorded Appetite).
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So if Team Brazil can survive the three hour meeting, we have a European tour!
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I actually haven't watched a whole lot of shows with the current lineup, but if it was at all like 2009-2014, I know he plays piano on "This I Love" and does some of the string parts in "November Rain." I would imagine he gets to play some of the synth parts in "Better." If having Dizzy as a security blanket makes Axl perform better, I'm all for it. Chris did not do a whole lot, but he seemed to be one of the few who could lure Axl into the studio after releasing Chinese Democracy.
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An interesting topic and a lot of great responses. On one hand I can see how, objectively, Guns N' Roses 2001-2014 was not that unsuccessful when compared to other legacy acts. They played a good number of shows, played to hundreds of thousands of people, and released an album that was met with mild critical acclaim and shipped platinum (even if Universal had to utilize an exclusive to do so).
That would of course be ignoring the strangeness that is Guns N' Roses as led by Axl Rose, and the other posts all went over those well. I guess if I had to point to one thing that really prevented them from reaching their potential, it was the lack of a solid lineup. For better or worse, whether it's logical or not, people identify not just with a band's music, but the identity of the players themselves. Musically speaking, Chinese Democracy was, in my book, a B+/A- album that seemed like a logical successor to the Use Your Illusion Records, but there was just no member of the band to identify with.
Literally every tour the band started, they lost and added members. Even looking at the credits for Chinese Democracy, which reads like some kind of laboratory experiment, you realize you really have no idea who plays what. People like being able to hear a song like "Sweet Child O' Mine" and "November Rain" and being able to say, "there's Slash tearing it up," or to hear a song like "You Ain't the First" and immediately realizing it just possesses that Izzy sound. Here, Axl Frankensteined everything together. With the notable exceptions of the guitar solos in "This I Love" and "There Was A Time" (which admittedly are fantastic), there are no stretches of more than a minute on the album one may definitively point to and say "that was a cool Robin lick" or "there's a typical Brain fill." Everything has been so stitched together that we literally have songs with six credited guitarists and two drummers. This just eliminates any "feel" the album had and feeds more into the image that this album was just Axl's $13 million art project rather than a GN'R album (and once more, I reiterate, I love Chinese Democracy).
There's a reason people like the 1999-2000 versions of the songs. Because, as loosely defined the "band" may have been at that point, you had a core lineup of Axl, Dizzy, Paul, Robin, and Josh. Each song, no matter how different in style, had a consistent set of musicians giving it a consistent sound. Same goes the version of "Catcher in the Rye" with Brian May playing the guitar solo. It was fun to be able to hear the song and immediately tell Brian May played the solo in a matter of seconds. On the final version, you cannot help but think, "oh cool, whatever shredder was lucky enough to be in the band in 2007 got to record his solo."
The same thought process even applies to live shows. I could not stand DJ Ashba, but facts are facts and that lineup lasted longer than any other lineup of GN'R, and was also the lineup of "nuGuns" which the general public learned to accept, and even enjoy. It was not because this lineup was, objectively, the "best" (most people, myself included, would agree the 2001/2002 and 2006/2007 lineup were MUCH more solid musically), but having a band stay consistent for five years really allowed them to play well together.
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51 minutes ago, Apollo said:
You left out one point....The guy Axl personally picked to be a part of GnR. Axl thought he was good enough to fill the roll as a GnR guitar player. And kept him in the band for several years and tours. And from people actually in the know (not just fans guessing) the guy that Axl was planning to KEEP in the band. He wasn't fired.
DJ wanted to create and release music to share with his fans. An aspect of music that Axl doesn't care about. DJ is extremely fan friendly, Axl isn't.
DJ loves to work full time. An aspect that doesn't interest Axl. Which is fine, guy is in his mid-50s and has millions of dollars. Nothing wrong with going part time at that point of your career.
DJ had to choose.
Six AM where he could write and release music. Or anther year with GnR touring the old songs.
And has soon as the reunion rumors got heat to them, DJ (and Bumble and Tommy) knew that CD2 would never be released.
DJ chose integrity over money. To not respect him for that is really weird.
DJ did nothing that involved "integrity." He's been able to paint a nice picture for himself, but he ventured on GN'R being on break longer than it was and committed himself to Sixx A.M. When Axl decided to pick up GN'R again, DJ was caught with his pants down.
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In 2013, a couple people asked him about new material and he responded positively. I would imagine as long as you don't sound entitled or pissy about it he would not mind.
On once occasion, a dude asked if we'd even hear Silkworms and Axl mentioned he really liked the song and wants it on the next album. Another time, someone got him to mention that they were working on the album and he definitely wanted it out in the next year. Granted, that was in 2013, but at least he talked about it.
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Tommy has been supportive of Axl since leaving Guns N' Roses, and if Tommy had a problem with the way his time in the band ended, he would have said something. As others pointed out, he appears to have become a single father, and he had a pretty severe alcohol problem. A friend of mine worked on a festival in Atlanta where The Replacements played, and she said before the show Tommy was not in a good state and was so drunk that people were amazed he could even take the stage.
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Has the excitement worn off for me? No: not at all. I am stoked to see them in July.
As for people who feel disappointed, I think it has to do with the fact that this was not a "huge reunion" as people expected. At the end of the day, it's the 2014 lineup minus a guitarist and Slash and ?Duff taking over for people who did not want to be in the band anymore. Outside of "Coma," (which is awesome) there's not a whole lot distinguishing these shows from 2012-2014 shows.
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I feel this has been asked before, but my biggest question was always: what exactly got Axl on the message boards in 2008. Did he know he had to do some kind of promotion (however unconventional) for the new album and just wanted to avoid the label at all costs? Were there particular rumors he wanted to quash? Obviously, he reads boards at least semi-regularly as he got pissed off enough at Madison to blast her in 2010.
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I wish him absolutely nothing but the best. I detested every moment he was in GN'R, and I think he's at best a "good" guitar player, but he clearly loves what he does and I am happy he enjoys playing in Sixx A.M. so much. That band appears better suited for his style (both fashion and music). To be perfectly honest, I probably would not have even minded DJ that much, were he in the position that Richard filled during the 2002-2014 era; playing rhythm with the occasional lead. The fact that he somehow ended up with some of the most iconic guitar parts shows how much of a patchwork GN'R had become by the time he joined the band.
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I wonder if Bumblefoot feels good leaving GN'R to jam with Scott Stapp?
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Axl's appearance and the band did not shock me as much because I'd been keeping up with everything the band had been doing since 2000 (even saw the H.O.B. 01/01/01 show). Still, for better or worse, this performance pretty much defined Axl and Guns N' Roses in the public's mind until, honestly, around 2011 or 2012. I remember even when the band started playing again in 2009/2010, you'd still see pictures of Axl at the VMAs attached to all GN'R related stories.
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I would be entirely surprised if this was anything other than posturing on DJ's part. He gambled and ran to Sixx A.M. where he could get some of his dad rock songs put on an album. He probably did not bet on GN'R actually doing stuff.
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My reaction to everything Chris said
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Too cool. "Better" sounded fantastic!
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I would he was concentrating immensely. Granted, he played many of these songs over the years, but he was playing with a front man he had not shared a stage with since 1993 and knew how high the stakes were.
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I know, technically speaking, this is not definite, but it's still pretty cool to have some idea that we'll have the Axl/Slash/Duff/Dizzy/Frank/Richard lineup.
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I remember "Think About You" being one of the strangest (in a good way) surprises and it really exemplified that Axl was not afraid to play old songs. Obviously, the band at that point was weird looking, but it did not bother me much, but even I remember thinking "these guys are so far removed from any individuals who could have possibly written Think About You."
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He was the only member of the AFD-era band to graduate high school.
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I would have to guess the idea started being discussed in earnest in 2014, and negotiations may have started around then. I remember, even in 2014, MSL saying the rest of the band were getting paranoid that Team Brazil was working on a reunion behind the (then) current band's back. DJ leaving probably put the final nail in the coffin. For what it's worth, I really do think Ashba's quitting was unexpected.
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I believe most of the older songs, with the notable exception of "You Could Be Mine" ended up on Use Your Illusion I
- "Back off Bitch:" - Written by Paul and Axl in the early 1980s
- "Don't Cry:" I wanna say I remember Axl saying this dates back to 1984
- "November Rain:" We know Axl worked on this song during the entirety of the band's career to that point
- "Bad Obsession:" In the Tokyo concert, Axl mentions Izzy writing this song well before "Mr. Brownstone."
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No one will mist the towel solo?
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So what's all this about Izzy joining Twitter?
This picture deserves its own thread
in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS
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They're thinking of all the money they will make on this tour. Just kidding. It warms my heart to see this. Even if things do not moved forward with Axl, Duff, and Slash in the studio, at least they seemed to have gotten over prior junk.