Caught in a Coma

when is the next show?

Tomorrow same venue

And same set list

Please ban this guy.

Are you British?

I would pay to see the 2012 lineup over the 90's lineup anyday. They play the songs better live than the so called original lineup ever did. With the new lineup I don't have to watch the lead guitarist stumble around like a stoner and a bassist that is so drunk he could sweat and get everyone in the stadium plastered. Sorry. But THIS IS GNR. Wake up. It's 2012. Adapt or fade away...

Would you still pay if they didn't play the old songs? Not trolling, just asking your opinion

well,rock n roll ain't dead.

Guns N roses on the other hand,is.

it's mostly Axls fault in my opinion.

he killed my all time favourite band.

Just so we're clear. The other guys left and Axl is the only original member who didn't.

Think before you write inaccurate things.

Thanks. False things dont become true if you put them in a song.

Those weren't the lyrics. Someone on the forum just posted those words

because bands like Kiss and RUSH etc aren't in there.

to be fair, KISS only belongs in the makeup hall of fame.

Funny Story:

When Alice Cooper was asked what he thought of Marilyn Manson,he replied "Hmm,A Guy with a girls name,wearing makeup,how unusual"

I like Rush,especially the Joshua Tree

The Joshua Tree is U2...

Sorry is one of the worst songs ever written imo

would have been respectable if all the musicians on stage were ex - members .. what they did was a circus

exactly, well put

Well there were no ex singers and Axl had taken his ball and gone home at that point so they did what they could for the fans.

they did nothing for the fans ... they did for their pocket, their bank account, usurping a name that is not theirs and living from what they were and not are ... promoting their own proyects ... mercenaries

What money? They paid thousands of dollars to attend, even myles had to pay. They didn't promote one project during their speeches or performance. All they did was go to an induction that they were invited to and perform like they were asked. Many fans enjoyed the performance and liked the fact that they got to see at least some of the inducted members play together.

There was more guns n roses at the hall of fame than at a guns n roses^TM show since 1993. That's the way it is, that's the way 99% of fans see it, that's the way 99% of the public sees it. Just because something is called something doesn't make it so.

no one thinks GNR isn't about Axl and Izzy, clearly you think it's not though since you support this new band - sans Izzy. The members inducted to the hall of fame are the only real members of Guns N Roses. Bumblefoot noodling over a 10 year old song of which he has NO IDEA the inspiration and development of the song doesn't mean anymore than Shannon Hoon adding additional vocals to Don't Cry.

Everybody at one time used to think that the sun revolved around the earth, didn't make it true. People can see things whatever way they want, it doesnt give them a patent on truth.

Izzy chose to leave the band - no reason for me to punish the new-er guys for Izzy's choice. You can keep saying that the guys inducted are the only "real" members but its funny that Matt who did not participate in song-writing as the songs were written before him is seen as soooo deserving of the GN'R title but people like Tommy, Chris, Brain who HAVE co-written songs are pooh-poohed because hey, all that matters is the historical factor of who was there first. Human beings should be ashamed of taking over planet earth- it belongs to the dinosaurs and other species who were here first.

Who says Bumblefoot would have no idea about the inspiration behind songs? Through the miracles of modern technology, he might be able to pick up a phone and call the guys who helped write it and have a conversation.

No one thinks GN'R isnt about Axl and Izzy? That's a hoot. Read what LA 0013 said, go check out the signatures some people have put up with pictures of Duff, Matt, Slash and Steven as "Guns N Roses". Like I said, the hypocrisy of the "we are all about the original band" crowd has been exposed.

They inducted the members that played on the albums at the peak of their fame. Whether or not you consider Chinese Democracy a good record or 'GNR record' has no bearing on the decision. It didn't have the impact that the other albums had. The decision to add the members from the 80's and 90's wasn't because they were there first. It was because they played on the records that were recorded when GNR was one of the biggest bands in the world. It doesn't matter how well bumblefoot plays the songs, how many songs the new guys have writing credits on, or if bumblefoot knows the inspiration behind the old songs. They just took the guys that recorded and played with the band when the band was one of the biggest rock acts. By the time Chinese came out, GNRs popularity largely declined from the 80's and 90's. The new band is considered less musically significant than the old band by many, no matter how good of musicians they may be.

And for all this 'axl is GNR', 'slash is GNR', 'izzy is GNR' crap, guns n roses was/is a band, not one guy. One guy doesn't make the band.

I don't get why Klinghoffer was inducted with RHCP, yet the newest members of GN'R to get inducted joined in 1990.

It is really inconsistent, and it does add some credence to the argument that the HOF wanted to earn money from staging a reunion of the AFD lineup, something that would be more difficult if more recent band members were inducted, too.

The difference being inducting just one extra member, instead of 15.

So they are okay with inducting current members when these have not been part of creating the legacy that is honoured unless the number of such members exceeds a certain limit? In other words, they have decided to forgo the principle of inducting only people responsible for the legacy, but have fallen down on some arbitrarily cut-off value as to exactly how many such "hangers-on" they will induct?

If I were wicked I'd say that the HOF is open to induct extra people because it means more revenues for the HOF, unless more inductees could hinder their sinister plan of staging a reunion which would be even more valuable to the HOF .

How about, he made a cd with three of the original band members, he's touring with them and he's had input.

Now lets talk about Chinese Democracy, principal songwriters Buckethead, Finck, Freese, Mantia & Tobias all gone. How are you going to induct them? And now you have band members who have only added some subtle personal changes to the main songs, and are touring as employees essentially as a cover band for the last bunch of years. How would you have liked to see this go down? Have the current band and old band inducted but Buckethead etc. ignored? Or just have the whole circus show up and be inducted, and show what a joke current GNR has become since it's original formation?

why is it a joke? Too many members? Why would it be a circus? Too many talented musicians in a single stage? I don't get it...

Can we drop this argument? It's already over, they didn't get inducted. I highly doubt guys like tommy stinson wanted to be inducted for their work in GNR anyway.

Angeles, why do you hate the guys from the original line up so much? Specially Slash. I just don't understand what they possibly could have done for you to hate them so much.

I don't hate them ... I love their work until they left the band .. after this .. and now they live for what they were ... I consider them mercenaries ...

I didn't like that none of them thanked the founding members of the band, without them they had never been there .. I consider disrespectful bring the singer of the band of one of them .. and more and more

I can understand that. But what should they have done instead? No one sounds like Axl and they had to find a singer with such short notice. Myles was very humble about the whole thing.

Exactly. And any big name(Tyler et al) woulda stole the show in a way. I'm sure Axl now despises Myles...just add him to the list. Slash, Steven, Cobain, Mick Wall, Myles....Everly, Seymour.....etc.....

I agree. Plus, Steven Tyler can't hit those high notes anymore. He recently butchered the u.s. national anthem on national tv.

Where is the positive coming from? Here in the states I've heard mostly negative responses.

Not being funny but every kid has taken a dig from there dad, or certainly been threatened and felt that fear. I have, and I'm sure 99% of the forum has, you know what none of us ended up famous with boats loads of cash.

A homeless guy on the street, that made this statement, sure, I'd feel for him, but a guy travelling from vages to all over the world in a private Jet with Axl rose? Ohh yeah, he needs sympathy.

This is all very one sided. To be fair, DJ's dad should be asked for his comment.

Then we might get a better picture. Only then can we show sympathy, should it be deemed necessary.

...or we could just act like human beings and quit playing the Mr. Objective charade all the time. Give DJ some sympathy.

I don't think he is looking for sympathy honestly, I beleive he wants his fans to know that even if you are bullied, reach for your dreams, things get better kinda thing. Does not mean we wil all be rock stars, but it means don't worry about today, things will get better. DJ had been asking about bullying for months on facebook and twitter, I think he got feedback and realized his story could possibly help even one fan. I don't see this as any kind of ploy or advert.

I'll try explain my mindset more clear.

Lets say I had a rough childhood, I'm into GNR and love everything to do with DJ ashba, real excited about seeing him on tour next month. He then tweets this

If you are being bullied and have a story I would love to hear it, and together we WILL fight back

I feel real inspired and want to speak to DJ about this. Now, he doesn't reply to his facebook comments and you can't message him. Lets say I've been a fan of his for years and everything he has said I feel inspired by, I know, there's a VIP M&G at the show I'm going too, ooh I'll finally get to speak to him, great. Oh wait, £250 to see him? Hmmmm

The Meet and Greet is just an example of how corporate these people can be. Perhaps bullyville approached DJ with a financial incentive for his story?

You are thinking about this in a totally wrong way. What are your thoughts on axls bad childhood? Did he talk about it to make money or was his case different because you like axl and not dj?

we're not making fun, it's just a sneaky tactic he can use to pull at the emotional strings of highly charged emotional teenager. I surprised it doesn't advertise 'Ashba Swag' in their some how.

" My dad used to beat me, but it was all better after I started to wear flannels from ashbaswag.com with a 20% off. I never got any more black eyes after my first ovaition guitar"

That's ridiculous. A guy gets beat as a child and you think its a ploy. I get that you dont like the guy but its uncalled for to take child abuse lightly.

Most of the famous blues based guitarists were 'sloppy'. Just look at jimmy page during led zeppelin shows. Hell, you can even hear him miss notes in guitar solos on their records. The bands even off beat during black dog. Does it take away from enjoying the music? No. It's rock n roll, not classical. It's not always about playing your instruments flawlessly. All musicians mess up sometimes.

Everybody's lying. That's exactly why former members, management, other bands such as metallica and nirvana, and other people all had similar stories about him. Right.

Well, don't keep us in suspense.

Please do tell us what these other people said that you believe is true that proves Axl is the "bad guy" for not wanting to front Slash's Snakepit.

Where are you getting this fronting slash's snakepit idea from? Nobody in that time period said anything about making axl front slash's band. Comments from the previous band members and other bands show that it just may have been axl that was out of control and difficult to work with, not slash. Don't place him as the victim when there's plenty of evidence against it.

Ummm.... You do know that Snakepit is what Slash turned in to be the next GN'R record but Axl and Duff boycotted it; right?

No shit. The claim she/he was making was that GNR became slashs band and slash took control. So if axl played the snakepit songs with old GNR, it'd no longer be GNR, itd be snakepit? Yet when axl plays old GNR songs with entirely new people its GNR?

Don't be no shitting me buddy, it was you that asked the moronic question of how Axl turned down fronting Slash's Snakepit. Yes, it would be the worst Guns N' Roses album if Axl and Duff would have been dumb enough to agree with it, but thankfully, smarter people prevailed.

I didn't ask how he turned down fronting snakepit. I asked where the notion that if they played the songs that became snakepit, it would all of a sudden cease to be GNR and become slash's snakepit came from. What I meant was that even if it was the songs that became the snakepit album it would have still been GNR. He would still be fronting GNR, not snakepit. The songs would have sounded different if GNR worked on them. I didn't say it'd be good.

I see, and I apologise then.

I still don't think it would sound very different. The vocals and bass would have been way better, but Slash didn't want any changes to his songs.

Me too, sorry for sounding like a dick. I think the arrangements might have been different, better bass, better vocals, more complexity and production, but I guess its impossible to speculate.

Everybody's lying. That's exactly why former members, management, other bands such as metallica and nirvana, and other people all had similar stories about him. Right.

Well, don't keep us in suspense.

Please do tell us what these other people said that you believe is true that proves Axl is the "bad guy" for not wanting to front Slash's Snakepit.

Where are you getting this fronting slash's snakepit idea from? Nobody in that time period said anything about making axl front slash's band. Comments from the previous band members and other bands show that it just may have been axl that was out of control and difficult to work with, not slash. Don't place him as the victim when there's plenty of evidence against it.

Ummm.... You do know that Snakepit is what Slash turned in to be the next GN'R record but Axl and Duff boycotted it; right?

No shit. The claim she/he was making was that GNR became slashs band and slash took control. So if axl played the snakepit songs with old GNR, it'd no longer be GNR, itd be snakepit? Yet when axl plays old GNR songs with entirely new people its GNR?

Don't be no shitting me buddy, it was you that asked the moronic question of how Axl turned down fronting Slash's Snakepit. Yes, it would be the worst Guns N' Roses album if Axl and Duff would have been dumb enough to agree with it, but thankfully, smarter people prevailed.

I didn't ask how he turned down fronting snakepit. I asked where the notion that if they played the songs that became snakepit, it would all of a sudden cease to be GNR and become slash's snakepit came from. What I meant was that even if it was the songs that became the snakepit album it would have still been GNR. He would still be fronting GNR, not snakepit. The songs would have sounded different if GNR worked on them. I didn't say it'd be good.

Everybody's lying. That's exactly why former members, management, other bands such as metallica and nirvana, and other people all had similar stories about him. Right.

Well, don't keep us in suspense.

Please do tell us what these other people said that you believe is true that proves Axl is the "bad guy" for not wanting to front Slash's Snakepit.

Where are you getting this fronting slash's snakepit idea from? Nobody in that time period said anything about making axl front slash's band. Comments from the previous band members and other bands show that it just may have been axl that was out of control and difficult to work with, not slash. Don't place him as the victim when there's plenty of evidence against it.

Ummm.... You do know that Snakepit is what Slash turned in to be the next GN'R record but Axl and Duff boycotted it; right?

No shit. The claim she/he was making was that GNR became slashs band and slash took control. So if axl played the snakepit songs with old GNR, it'd no longer be GNR, itd be snakepit? Yet when axl plays old GNR songs with entirely new people its GNR?

Everybody's lying. That's exactly why former members, management, other bands such as metallica and nirvana, and other people all had similar stories about him. Right.

Well, don't keep us in suspense.

Please do tell us what these other people said that you believe is true that proves Axl is the "bad guy" for not wanting to front Slash's Snakepit.

Where are you getting this fronting slash's snakepit idea from? Nobody in that time period said anything about making axl front slash's band. Comments from the previous band members and other bands show that it just may have been axl that was out of control and difficult to work with, not slash. Don't place him as the victim when there's plenty of evidence against it.

Axl did not want to front Snakepit, Loaded, or Velvet Revolver.

He wasn't even asked to front those bands. How could he not want to in the first place?

This is often the second of two available responses to people who feel the need to blindly defend Axl.

So it was Axl's decision that he didn't want to front Snakepit styled music, but it's Slash, Duff and Izzy's fault for walking away.

Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

Here's a third option: Izzy, Duff and Slash got tired of dealing with Axl's bullshit and left to work on music that appealed to them.

Axl can't cry abandonment by his former band members all the while putting down the music they'd write for the band.

Axl seems to want to argue that he didn't force anyone out besides Adler and Sorum, that everyone left. But then he argues that he wasn't interested in their music anyway. So if he wasn't interested in what Slash was putting down, why is he so pissed at Slash for leaving and letting Axl work on the music he wanted to.

None of this makes any sense.

Firstly, trying to group Izzy's situation in with Slash and Duff is totally inaccurate. Heck, it's just plain LYING.

Secondly, it was Slash and Duff's idea to replace Adler with Sorum. Axl didn't force Adler out. Adler's drumming became a problem and it was Slash and Duff who found a solution for it. Axl just agreed to it. That is why Axl helped pay for a lot of Adler's rehab bills. Adler called Axl a "sweet heart" for taking care of him and hated Slash because he thought Slash was suppose to be his best friend.

Thirdly, Axl hasn't cried *abandonment by his former band members*. He has only defended himself after years of accusations by mostly Slash that Axl fired them all. Which is just untrue.

Fourthly, Axl is not pissed at Slash for leaving. Axl is pissed at Slash for his *revisionist* account of GnR history and for perpetuating lies that painted Axl as the "bad guy" who victimized him and every one else.

Lastly, as Axl stated, from Day 1, Slash has been trying to get Axl to join his band. With Izzy gone, Slash got his wish.

But with Izzy gone, Axl needed a new song writing partner. Axl was looking for a replacement for Izzy.That is why Axl tried many different guitarists to work with Slash.

But that's not what Slash wanted! Slash wanted to be that song writer like how he is on Snakepit and VR. Slash was unwilling to work with a new song writer in the same kind of way like how it was with Izzy for AFD, Lies, and UYI.

Axl was the one who invited Slash to replace Tracii Guns - even though Izzy did not want Slash! But by the end of UYI, the power in GnR had completely shifted in Slash's favor! It was now 4 against 1! Team Slash (Slash, Duff, Matt, Gilby) vs Team Axl (Axl only). That is why Axl called Slash a "cancer".

What are the exact accusations that Slash has made against Axl? Also in the years after the band broke up Duff, Izzy and Slash did interviews all saying that Axl bacame a dictator and megmaniac and the fame went to his head. Izzy even said worse things than Slash referring to him as a monster or something. Why did they all say the same thing about Axl?

Everybody's lying. That's exactly why former members, management, other bands such as metallica and nirvana, and other people all had similar stories about him. Right.

I was being sarcastic in response to Axrosehusband. Just so u know.

I know, I fucked up, I meant to reply to her. Sorry about that

Axl did not want to front Snakepit, Loaded, or Velvet Revolver.

He wasn't even asked to front those bands. How could he not want to in the first place?

This is often the second of two available responses to people who feel the need to blindly defend Axl.

So it was Axl's decision that he didn't want to front Snakepit styled music, but it's Slash, Duff and Izzy's fault for walking away.

Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

Here's a third option: Izzy, Duff and Slash got tired of dealing with Axl's bullshit and left to work on music that appealed to them.

Axl can't cry abandonment by his former band members all the while putting down the music they'd write for the band.

Axl seems to want to argue that he didn't force anyone out besides Adler and Sorum, that everyone left. But then he argues that he wasn't interested in their music anyway. So if he wasn't interested in what Slash was putting down, why is he so pissed at Slash for leaving and letting Axl work on the music he wanted to.

None of this makes any sense.

Firstly, trying to group Izzy's situation in with Slash and Duff is totally inaccurate. Heck, it's just plain LYING.

Secondly, it was Slash and Duff's idea to replace Adler with Sorum. Axl didn't force Adler out. Adler's drumming became a problem and it was Slash and Duff who found a solution for it. Axl just agreed to it. That is why Axl helped pay for a lot of Adler's rehab bills. Adler called Axl a "sweet heart" for taking care of him and hated Slash because he thought Slash was suppose to be his best friend.

Thirdly, Axl hasn't cried *abandonment by his former band members*. He has only defended himself after years of accusations by mostly Slash that Axl fired them all. Which is just untrue.

Fourthly, Axl is not pissed at Slash for leaving. Axl is pissed at Slash for his *revisionist* account of GnR history and for perpetuating lies that painted Axl as the "bad guy" who victimized him and every one else.

Lastly, as Axl stated, from Day 1, Slash has been trying to get Axl to join his band. With Izzy gone, Slash got his wish.

But with Izzy gone, Axl needed a new song writing partner. Axl was looking for a replacement for Izzy.That is why Axl tried many different guitarists to work with Slash.

But that's not what Slash wanted! Slash wanted to be that song writer like how he is on Snakepit and VR. Slash was unwilling to work with a new song writer in the same kind of way like how it was with Izzy for AFD, Lies, and UYI.

Axl was the one who invited Slash to replace Tracii Guns - even though Izzy did not want Slash! But by the end of UYI, the power in GnR had completely shifted in Slash's favor! It was now 4 against 1! Team Slash (Slash, Duff, Matt, Gilby) vs Team Axl (Axl only). That is why Axl called Slash a "cancer".

What are the exact accusations that Slash has made against Axl? Also in the years after the band broke up Duff, Izzy and Slash did interviews all saying that Axl bacame a dictator and megmaniac and the fame went to his head. Izzy even said worse things than Slash referring to him as a monster or something. Why did they all say the same thing about Axl?

Everybody's lying. That's exactly why former members, management, other bands such as metallica and nirvana, and other people all had similar stories about him. Right.

He is a good singer, but he is completely wrong for these songs.

it didn't work and the performance shouldn't have happened.

I'm sure the YouTube videos didn't do it justice. The mix was off due to the distortion caused by the cameras used. His voice is way more powerful and different in person. With the correct mix and maybe a third guitar and two keyboard players the sound would have been much more full. End sarcasm. I thought it sounded pretty good for filling in last minute.

How good was Matt Sorum's Hall of Fame speech? I've always thought that he was a bit of a douchebag, but his speech last night was so heartfelt and funny that it almost brought a tear to my eye.

http://youtu.be/vbxM_iWbonc?t=6m42s

Thought it was terrible! These guys have children now.....nobody needs to hear about coke n herion

This. It wasn't bad. The part about joining the band and Rio were nice, but talking about the drugs was kinda dumb for a fifty something year old guy.

Nice PC version!! Myles doesn't blow the whistle as good as Axl, but the rest was way cool.

Myles sounded amazing fronting the most dangerous rock n roll band of all time. They should go on tour. People hating on Myles just remember, it's not his fault Axl and Izzy chose to skip this.

Talk about delusional, Myles might sound ok singing his buttrock alter bridge BS but listen to the way he butchers Sweet Child that is embarrassing!! And Tommy Stinson is just as or if not more important to GNR then any of the former members so it is def BS Axl couldnt show up with the current GNR and do their own set. Some of you need to realize we arent in the 80's anymore cut your fkn mullets and throw out your acid wash jeans Axl & Izzy was GNR anyways!!

Are you being sarcastic? Tommy stinson as or more important to GNR as slash duff izzy and steven? To the replacements yes. Great musician. To GNR, no way he's as important.

It just isn't Guns N' Roses without Axl Rose.

You got that right! you mean to tell me that Slash's singer performed GNR songs at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction? Oh my God! I can't fuckin believe those sons of bitches performed without Axl.

I know he didn't attend, but it's still very very wrong!

I really hate Slash more now than I ever did.

And Steven talking shit about Axl not remembering what went down back in the 80's and 90's, dummy just because you and Slash were always shit faced doesn't mean Axl Rose doesn't remember what went down. When people fuck you over, you never forget. I know been there, done that. Some things you can't forgive and forget.

I don't blame Axl one bit for not wanting to share the stage with 2 posers and betrayers!

Fuck you Slash and Steven!

Long Live Axl Rose and the new and amazing GNR!

Brainwashed Axl's ass kisser detected. Fuck Slash and Steven? No, FUCK YOU.

Brainwashed Slash's ass kisser detected. FUCK YOU? No, Fuck Slash A.K.A "The Attention Whore"

Why put HIS singer in the GNR show??? Duff could have sung, and does it very well ...

Duff? Singing Axl's vocals? Let's be honest here... Myles was the perfect person replace Axl. Duff would have sucked. I like his voice, he just can't replace Axl.

Slash is not an attention whore.

Perfect? Perfect is Steven Tyler.... and more neutral than Myles.

Myles KILLED it last night! His voice is more similar to Axl's than Steven Tyler's is.

You guys obviously haven't heard Steven Tyler sing recently. He sung the national anthem on national television a few months ago. He was horrible and he messed up the words.

Axl chose not to attend, so someone else sang, big fucking deal!, who cares really

Evidently a bucketload of people, fuck knows why

This. What were they supposed to do, play an instrumental?

It's fine not to agree with Axl, but I'm so sick of people ignoring the facts, such as what he said in his letter and the fact that people will get their hopes up about a reunion if he went. Of course he doesn't want that.

I'd love him to be there in a way, but I think it's way to simple to just say that he's a dick for not showing. He does have some good reasons not too I believe.

And common, do people really go on this forum just cause they want a reunion. Move on, seriously...

He's not a dick for not showing. He's a dick due to the manner in which he did so.