Redhead74

No, I've never been fired. It happened very frequently in advertising though. Clients would cut a budget, a few heads would roll. A client would fire the agency and the agency would then fire half a dozen people. I guess I must have earned less than some of the others and perhaps offered value for what I did. I can hear it now from the MD's office: "nah, keep her she's cheap as chips". Perhaps they also appreciated my skirts and high heels.

Like I said at the start of this thread, if it were up to me he would have been thrown in the slam back in 92 for what he did to Stairway To Heaven

Shame on the UK sentencing processes.

And the fact is, children don't lie about that stuff. They just don't. They have no reason to. They don't yet understand that its a 'criminal act' and what the consequences are.

Paul Stanley can go fuck himself. He's probably dirty on GNR for getting better chicks than he did.

Not only that but did you know he & Jimmy Saville used to go to a psychiatric part of a hospital to watch the girls being changed to get ready for bed? There is a photo of them together but I don't know where this photo was taken.

So he gets away with kiddie porn on his computer, he "accidently" clicked on it for it to download but also found on the computer were instructions on how to totally delete what you download. Didn't work obviously but just showed it was no accident.

Whaaaaaaat???

This guy is beyond reparation. I did hear that Jimmy Saville considered him a 'right, top bloke' and I also heard that he had deleted kiddie porn from his computer before the police got hold of it. I can't imagine the last fact would have been able to be circulated amongst the media without some valid evidence to support it. Sorry, but what kind of idiot is going to believe that you 'accidentally' clicked on kiddie porn AND just happened to be charged with sexual assault from not 1, but 12 real life females? Oh, how unfortunate, what a terrible coincidence!

This guy just digs his own hole deeper and deeper.

Yikes. I take it DD thinks the girls (now women?) are lying? Is there strong evidence?

Against him: yes.

That the women are lying: no.

That there are many women with stories and claims unreported: yes.

Believe me mags, as an Australian it pained me to hear these allegations against him. We always loved him and he seemed like a genuinely lovely man. These allegations which are now convictions are ex timely disappointing.

*extremely.

tl;dr version of what this guy did please.

Rolf Harris is an Australian born entertainer who moved to the UK when he was in his 20s and has lived there ever since. His success has related to some memorable music hits in the 70s and he is a noted painter. He has had several successful art related TV series and in 2005 was selected to paint a portrait of the Queen, of which he made a TV program from. He is now 84 and has been found out to be a serial sexual abuser of children and young women. He has just been convicted of 12 acts of sexual assault, the youngest being an 8 yo girl.

Since his conviction there has been several more cases come forward. Yet to this day DieselDaisy believes him to be completely, absolutely and totally innocent of all charges.

I'm pretty sceptical. All of it sounds speculative and in favour of saving Paul Stanley's ass from some serious embarrassment.

Tell it to the mods or the one who did it and they will surely remove it.

I have actually given plenty of advice to fellas in your situation before. What I have seen to be their mistake is that they don't have anything that distinguishes themselves from the great majority of guys and hence they end up competing to become the "big fish in the big pond". You don't want that competition. The odds are too hard. It is much better to find a unique identity that appeals to a smaller group of girls and aim for the "big fish in a small pond". Girls are very varied and be allowing your own inherent peculiarities to be expressed rather than suppressing these to conform to whatever the male ideal is at the moment, you will become attractive to these girls and have much less competition. But you are sort of doing the right thing, McCoy, you are targeting a smaller segment of girls. That is good! Your problem, though, is that you are aiming for a niche market that is simply too obscure, namely the "girls who are attracted to oblivious gays" segment. The odds are really against you until you make some changes.

Yeah that, OR just put on a bit of weight dude.

I know you were overweight in the past but no chick wants to go out with a guy who weighs less than her. Seriously! Take my advice, I know these things from dealing with brides for many years. I'm not saying fatten up, but maybe bulk up a bit. You look very 'slight' and that is really a term that should only be ascribed to women. I know you are already conscious of your height so if you add a bit of bulk to your torso you'll be more masculine.

5yrs, in for 3,,,,,,,, woah

If he only serves 3 years this equates to 3 months per victim. What an absolute disgrace. Here's a man who has serially offended, he never once stopped to say "hang on a second, what I'm doing here is wrong and criminal", he continued to commit these crimes with arrogance and a sense of superiority and still hasn't shown any remorse. And apparently each of his victims is only worth 3 months in jail? What a joke. How is that a penalty? The man lived a life of freedom for decades while he committed these crimes and all he has to do is 3 months per victim. It hardly sets an example to others as a genuine deterrent.

I'm starting to question the sentencing that goes on for violent crimes. I see drug dealers get put away for many years but often rapists, murderers and paedophiles get very light sentences. Where is the respect for humanity? Where is the value being placed on a human life? I sense feminists will start to react against the light sentencing, particularly crimes against women. Just sayin'.

I apologise to the nation of Australia, on behalf of my country convicting this innocent and beloved human being. Our Justice system makes me sick to be British.

If you're so sure Rolf is innocent Diesel then I wish he'd 'touched up' the Queen when he was painting her. What's the penalty for fondling the Queen of England these days - are you sent to the Tower via Traitor's Gate?Mind you our Prime Minister touched the Queen when she was in Oz once & the tabloids went beserk calling him The Lizard Of Oz (which he was).

What the fuck are you going on about you tosser.

You have been spouting about these vile and disgusting women and how they just want his money etc.Now your post insinuates that you are either being sarcastic that an innocent man has been put behind bars or you've changed your mind and believe him to be guilty.Which is it?

I do not understand your point. I believe Rolf Harris is completely innocent of charges of paedophillia. I believe I have made my opinion explicit.

Based on what evidence/criteria, because by the sounds of things if you are SO convinced Rolf could have used you in court to defend him with this so called 'evidence' that not even his highly paid lawyer, a QC might I add, could succeed in doing.

Another 12 woman have come forward with new allegations..

Whatever. I want to know where is the evidence of all this?

And they will continue to do so, with the confidence that they will not be humiliated publicly for nothing.

As a bride-to-be, who has run out of episodes of British bastion of dignified marriage, Don't Tell The Bride, I decided to check out "Say Yes To The Dress". I feel as though I've missed out on an important experience of being a bride: trying on all the dresses I want and being told I look stunning/beautiful etc. by my friends, and of course, the rare luxury of spending your life's savings on a designer dress you will get eight hours wear from. The only people who have seen my dress in it's finished form are anyone who's read this thread, and nobody but myself has seen me wearing it.

It's very lightly entertaining, with crying brides, crying mums and overworked sales staff. Makes me pity Kim all the more.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kTDDszj1bqk

I'm thinking that there's a gap in the market for women who want to wear a nice wedding dress to their spec, but can't afford anything like the average dress price, who don't want to buy online from China. Maybe I should work on about ten different styles all in a duchess satin, run off the dresses, then add embellishments to the request of the bride (I'm pretty sure that it's embellishments which make or break the deal for most dresses). For a one-woman job, the outgoings would be pretty low, a bride could get what they wanted for an affordable price and I'd have pocket money.

I think there's definitely a market for nice, simple styles that are locally produced. There is every price range in the bridal market and every budget has to be accounted for. Not everyone wants a lavish, ornate dress that costs the earth for exactly as you said: 8 hours of use. I'm honestly staggered at the people who do spend this much.

The one thing you need to be aware of though, is that every woman has a different body shape and the greatest challenges come with making a dress that fits them properly. And believe me, once they're standing in THEIR dress having a fitting, or picking it up, the expectation for fit is very high. It basically has to be perfect and rightfully so. It's the one piece of clothing they will wear in their life that will be immortalised in photos and will be the centre of attention throughout their wedding day. So be aware when you are pricing the dresses that you have a big buffer in there that will cover alterations as the dress progresses. And also don't underestimate the changes that will be necessary as the bride loses weight the closer it gets to the wedding. So many of them do it because they think its necessary to be much skinnier than they are, despite the fact that their fiancé loves them for who they are and often loves their boobs and bum the size that they are. Not half the size, the exact size they were at the time they proposed to her.

Oh, and you look fab in that pic you posted above. The whole ensemble looks great.

I think it's good that craft beers have gone more mainstream, and I hope that smaller breweries are doing well out of it.

On a press trip, I was once taken on a tour of the Duvel brewery in Antwerp, complete with beer and cheese pairing class. They got us quite drunk then made us watch a PowerPoint presentation about bike helmets in a dark, warm room for two hours. Cracking!

You probably needed to be drunk to get through that, I imagine.

Save her own face how?

Think about it. Rolf goes to jail but she suffers her own public humiliation by being his wife. It's all about survival at this point. People will do what they have to do to maintain their current state of life. Who knows what was said and done behind closed doors but in the public arena they stood united.

I still love this album. Probably listen to it at least once a week, sometimes more.

It's got such a great upbeat vibe. The only track I tend to skip is Flashbulb Eyes. Just don't like it.

I often catch myself singing Awful Sound and Its Never Over in my head and when I do I just have to listen to the whole album.

Uuuugh, no she's not. She's trying to save her own face.

There must be some Chinese or Japanese in her somewhere.......

Sometimes the most 'beloved' people have a dark side. Some people are a certain way when the camera is on them, but there's also an immaturity to it all, wanting to make kids laugh. Even though Bill Cosby didn't molest kids, he still did the same thing to young women of legal age as a married man, used intimidation tactics, but some of the accusers could have been out for money. Either way, it's behaving badly and using a position of fame and power to have what you want and assaulting them to get it.

I know enough about him that he was a beloved entertainer with a couple of hit songs. It's possible some people are bandwagon jumping to get money and making their incident to be something bigger than it was. The one that went on for 5 years, hard to say. It might have started off being a really nasty situation that turned into a consensual affair. It didn't seem to take long to making him a stranger in his hometown once he was convicted.

Del Palmer said Rolf was professional and did his job when he worked with Kate Bush because people had wanted to know if he sexually harassed Kate.

Do I think he should be put away for the rest of his life? No. It doesn't really matter if he does 1 year or does life at this point. It's like the woman who was assaulted by Polanski said - the media keeping her name out there made it worse than the 5-10 minutes of what she had to deal with. He did time but the judges fucked up by wanting to make an example out of him. To me, once you take away their livelihood and he's a registered sex offender, prison is probably a safer option and he's been made unemployable. What can you do - he's infamous.

The question is if he'll apologize for what he's done or he's too arrogant to be able to own up to it.

I don't think Roman Polanski did time, he went to France & has stayed away from any country that has extradition rights to bring him back to the USA. He's never been to court from what I understand.

The women in Rolf's case gave testimony behind curtains & only wanted to be referred to by their initials so they won't be named publicly. He is being sentenced Friday (our time) but I think any length of time will likely mean he dies behind bars. If you're referring to Rolf being unemployable I think being 84 pretty much has already made him that.

What I am shocked to hear is he had a mistress or "spiritual healer" for years who lived in their house & until her death from breast cancer in 1999 he kept this affair going with his wife knowing about it. That is arrogant & I wonder why and how that was kept so secret all this time. Alwen certainly is a very loyal wife.

Well hang on, he might be 84 now, but all this shit happened many years ago and I have no doubt that his wife knew exactly what was going on. Unless she's subpar intelligence people pick that shit up. Especially when it goes on for years and he was clearly quite brazen about it. An affair with a grown woman is one thing, that's her decision whether she sticks by him or not. But sexually abusing children is quite another. No adult should ever protect someone you know is committing such acts. It doesn't make it easy to expose someone you love and who has loved you, but there's a serious moral decision there and I think there's only one decision. I feel bad for this woman that she was put in this position but c'mon, there's children involved here. How can you NOT know after SO many years? I heard that his computer showed records of files deleted that contained child porn. Not quoting that as fact, but it was reported. Makes you wonder.......

I have much respect for NGOG. One of only a handful of people on here who I know has integrity.

Haven't seen him post in a while. Hope he comes back soon.

Has anyone directly said to a female face to face..You're a C word? There's just something about that word..

Yes, it really doesn't have the shock value in some countries as it does in the US. And it depends greatly on how it's used. Used in a jovial manner it's totally fine. Most people don't blink an eye.

I don't really understand the overreaction to the word 'cunt' that the Americans have. Some of you guys won't even spell it out when you're not aiming it at anyone in particular. How come?

Why are you asking me? I like how your view of England is probably moulded by Len and Dazeys foul language. Have you ever been to England?

Um......yes, on four occasions. 3 of my best friends are British and my best friends husband is British. Your point being?

I didn't see much point using Jason, Cat, Patrick, Rebecca and Gail as examples since you don't know who Jason, Cat, Patrick, Rebecca and Gail are. Kinda figured Dazey and Len would have a bit more relevance around here. But whatever......

At the Sydney mardi gras:

He fingered an 8 year old girl.

Just saying...

Hello?

Rolf I'm talking about, not you.

Like Chris Rock said 'hungry people ain't allergic to shit'

Of course they're fucking not, because the majority of allergies, especially in adults, are caused by overconsumption. My 'mother in law' has a life threatening allergy to sulfates, also known in the preservative numerical order as 220 or anything in the 220's. The way she developed this allergy was by over consumption of the 'ingredient' which culminated in a weekend of winery crawling where rather substantial quantities of wine were consumed. At the end of the weekend she went into anaphylactic shock and her throat started closing up and she was within a hair's breadth of dying. Luckily she was saved but now she cannot consume anything with wine or vinegar in it. And that means processed bread, processed meats, biscuits and cakes, dried fruits, and pretty much most processed food. You wouldn't believe how much 220 is in nearly everything we consume. Just inhaling the smell of balsamic vinegar makes her cough and her throat starts to close.

So yeah, hungry people who ain't allergic or intolerant to shit are generally so because of the fact they're always hungry. No surprise there.

Guilty or not, these women shouldn't be allowed to go after compensation. It just encourages any female who came into contact with Rolf in the last 40 years to come forward and make a false claim, which I suspect is what motivated a lot of the ones who've come forward thus far. You've got one woman who is claimng that Rolf touching her bum drove her to become an alcoholic! Fuck off with that shit. They've been sitting on this for 20-40 years and now all of a sudden they are so distraught and crying rape conveniently just after the victims of Jimmy Saville received a nice payday.No compensation, no false allegations. It weeds out the bullshitters from the genuine victims. An abuser being bought to justice by serving a prison sentence is all that should happen. Paying off your mortgage and buying a new car is not going to take away the fact that you were abused (and that comes from someone who actually was sexually abused as a kid).

Well unfortunately for Rolf the western world has a judicial system that allows people who have been mistreated in a criminal manner to be compensated in some way for the injustice they suffered. And it is as it should be. Can you imagine if this was your sister or your girlfriend or wife or daughter who suffered this? But the truth is its not, and unfortunately you don't understand the thought processes at play when someone is abused in this way. ESPECIALLY when they are a child. It's well known that rape victims and sexual abuse victims find it incredibly difficult to go public about their ordeal. The shame they experience is shocking and this is the case for an adult, not even a child. They will often carry that burden with them for decades, sometimes the rest of their lives without being able to come clean about it. For some reason it's still incredibly taboo to admit you were sexually assaulted or raped (just look at any interview with a rape victim on a news report and they almost always appear anonymously, with face in the dark, or a disguise and sometimes their voice altered. That's not modesty).So don't for a second think these girls who are now women have been living happy, carefree lives all these years. And just now all of a sudden they decided to 'mention' that little, insignificant scenario. Generalisations like 'how could someone become an alcoholic from being fiddled with?' And 'now all of a sudden after 20-40 years they're so distraught' are pretty callous and insensitive. C'mon man, have some sympathy for people who have placed themselves in a very difficult and public situation after already being humiliated at the hands of a grown man who should have learnt to control himself. Those women have done nothing to hurt you and never will, so give them the benefit of the doubt because I wouldn't want to be in their shoes for one second. No amount of money could make me want to be in their shoes.And as for "any female who came into contact with Rolf in the last 40 years to come forward and make a false claim," they do actually check this stuff out, right? Before any compensation is issued there is always an investigation and a successful one will always have some substantial, legit evidence.

I guess I'm just a bit more sceptical than you. It's terrible that we live in a world where we have to doubt people who allege child abuse, but the reality is, plenty of people cry rape and destroy innocent mens lives out of spite, revenge or the pursuit of financial gain.I'm not saying this is the case with Rolf, but some of what I have read from the victims has made me question their motives. You have a woman who claims Rolf started groping her when she was 17, right through to the age of 22. That's not a helpless child being taken advantage of by a family member, it's a fully grown adult woman who continued to put herself in that position for five whole years. And then another woman who alleged that he hugged her one time and felt her bum and now she is so traumatised that she's been battling alcohol addiction for several decades. Do you not see how ridiculous and downright opportunistic some of this sounds?

and unfortunately you don't understand the thought processes at play when someone is abused in this way. ESPECIALLY when they are a child.

Yes I do.As stated in my previous post, I was sexually abused myself as a child and it angers me seeing opportunistic people cashing in for compensation giving legitimate victims a bad name. It is very hard to prove sexual abuse in a court of law, especially claims which date back decades. All the victim really has is the credibility of their claims, which can be seriously undermined when you have people trying to profit off their abuse under the guise of "compensation." Unless the money is being used to pay for therapy or counselling for the victims then there really is no justification to go after money in these cases.

I'm sorry you had to go through that and I accept that you understand better than most what an impact that can have. What you say in terms of proof is true, but I honestly feel that a few people falling through the cracks and claiming non-legit compensation is worth it if it means that those who legitimately suffered receive some gesture of acknowledgment from the community. Unfortunately our method of acknowledgment is currency. It's really the only thing that can rationally be applied to indicate the significance of the 'error of judgment'. It certainly doesn't take the affect of the crime away and I don't think it is awarded with that in mind.

The part where this becomes REALLY borderline and difficult is that any accusation, not even a conviction, of sexual assault by a male immediately equates with exile from society. A man facing those charges will have a tough time being accepted in general with a black mark like that against his name. And like I said, that's not even a conviction. It's really a disgrace.

I have read recently where there is a huge paranoia of men who are parents to young children and who are really enjoying being parents, but are having to second guess all of their behaviour in public when they are around children (usually their own but also others in play areas) because of the fact that a lot of women look towards random men who display affection towards children as 'potential paedophiles'! That is absolutely preposterous! As if it's only women with a maternal streak that can ONLY project affection towards children! But it's actually happening, I've read several reports in the news here that has documented it. There is something seriously wrong with this society we live in.

Has anyone directly said to a female face to face..You're a C word? There's just something about that word..

Yes, it really doesn't have the shock value in some countries as it does in the US. And it depends greatly on how it's used. Used in a jovial manner it's totally fine. Most people don't blink an eye.

I don't really understand the overreaction to the word 'cunt' that the Americans have. Some of you guys won't even spell it out when you're not aiming it at anyone in particular. How come?

That's another thing...it seems as if it it used jokingly much more in the U.K. and Australia, than the U.S.

If you were to use that word, (even jokingly) here, you would turn some heads....probably more so than even an F bomb.

In the UK it's almost a term of endearment. Look at the way Dazey and Len use it to each other and it's classic working class humour used to deprecate the other person but with a great sense of camaraderie attached. British humour is so intricate in that manner. Here in Australia the equivalent would be 'bastard'......"you silly bastard" is a very common term when laughing at something someone did or said and with a friendly, term of endearment intention. We use the word 'cunt' as well but in common terms its mostly used as an extreme case of an asshole. 'He was SUCH an asshole, that he became a cunt' pretty much sums it up.

The word 'fuck' is just normal language here now. I hear it frequently at work, although I would NEVER use it when I'm dealing with a customer, although customers often use it with me if they are in an 'elevated, happy mood'. I've never heard it used if a customer is unhappy about something. Then it's quite aggressive, but when the spirit is jovial it appears pretty frequently. It's really just a word for emphasis when used in a jovial way and Australians love that.

Used in a jovial manner it's totally fine.

as opposed to when used in a solid mature manner?

I said JOVIAL, not juvenile.

jo·vi·al (jv-l)

adj.

Marked by hearty conviviality and good cheer: a jovial host.

[French, probably from Italian giovale, from Old Italian, of Jupiter (regarded as the source of happiness), from Late Latin Iovilis, from Latin Iuppiter, Iov-, Jupiter; see dyeu- in Indo-European roots.]

jovi·ali·ty (-l-t) n.

jovi·al·ly adv.

Guilty or not, these women shouldn't be allowed to go after compensation. It just encourages any female who came into contact with Rolf in the last 40 years to come forward and make a false claim, which I suspect is what motivated a lot of the ones who've come forward thus far. You've got one woman who is claimng that Rolf touching her bum drove her to become an alcoholic! Fuck off with that shit. They've been sitting on this for 20-40 years and now all of a sudden they are so distraught and crying rape conveniently just after the victims of Jimmy Saville received a nice payday.

No compensation, no false allegations. It weeds out the bullshitters from the genuine victims. An abuser being bought to justice by serving a prison sentence is all that should happen. Paying off your mortgage and buying a new car is not going to take away the fact that you were abused (and that comes from someone who actually was sexually abused as a kid).

Well unfortunately for Rolf the western world has a judicial system that allows people who have been mistreated in a criminal manner to be compensated in some way for the injustice they suffered. And it is as it should be. Can you imagine if this was your sister or your girlfriend or wife or daughter who suffered this? But the truth is its not, and unfortunately you don't understand the thought processes at play when someone is abused in this way. ESPECIALLY when they are a child. It's well known that rape victims and sexual abuse victims find it incredibly difficult to go public about their ordeal. The shame they experience is shocking and this is the case for an adult, not even a child. They will often carry that burden with them for decades, sometimes the rest of their lives without being able to come clean about it. For some reason it's still incredibly taboo to admit you were sexually assaulted or raped (just look at any interview with a rape victim on a news report and they almost always appear anonymously, with face in the dark, or a disguise and sometimes their voice altered. That's not modesty).

So don't for a second think these girls who are now women have been living happy, carefree lives all these years. And just now all of a sudden they decided to 'mention' that little, insignificant scenario. Generalisations like 'how could someone become an alcoholic from being fiddled with?' And 'now all of a sudden after 20-40 years they're so distraught' are pretty callous and insensitive. C'mon man, have some sympathy for people who have placed themselves in a very difficult and public situation after already being humiliated at the hands of a grown man who should have learnt to control himself. Those women have done nothing to hurt you and never will, so give them the benefit of the doubt because I wouldn't want to be in their shoes for one second. No amount of money could make me want to be in their shoes.

And as for "any female who came into contact with Rolf in the last 40 years to come forward and make a false claim," they do actually check this stuff out, right? Before any compensation is issued there is always an investigation and a successful one will always have some substantial, legit evidence.