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I actually disagree with that. It's such a generalisation to say that kids today are a lot smarter than they were before the Internet.

Of course it's a generalization. A "kid" is a generalisation of a human being under a certain age. Unsurprisingly though you're still wrong. Just take a look at what you said:

"It's such a generalisation to say that kids today are a lot smarter than they were before they had access to a global library of knowledge in the palm of their hand ."

It's common fucking sense. Our tools make us smarter and the internet is one hell of a tool. The smart kid with easy access to the information they need is more likely to fulfil their potential than the kid who doesn't. Of course he also has access to vast amounts of pornography but therein lies the challenge.

Wen did I say that? I NEVER fucking said what you put in quotation marks above. You just made that up!

Fucking hell, at least quote me word for word if you're going to argue something I posted.

And fucking LOL at the predictable likes when you didn't even quote what I actually posted!

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For the sake of historic accuracy this is what I posted:

I actually disagree with that. It's such a generalisation to say that kids today are a lot smarter than they were before the Internet. Kids before the Internet read books and took as much interest in history, science, art, and making stuff as they do today.

Hmmm.....I suspect a hater just trying to argue with me for the sake of arguing........

At the end of the day:

Kids can be fantastic, amazing, enlightening

Kids can be a disappointment

Kids can be a saviour

Kids can stifle a fulfilling sex life

Kids can be a light of innocence in a world of hostility and aggression

Kids can be depressing

Kids can be demanding

Kids can give new focus

Kids can give meaning where there otherwise was none

It depends entirely on where you are in life and what you want from life. Everyone is different.

My hairdresser has an 18yo son. When the boy was 6 or 7 his father went out for a jog one day, he had a heart attack while jogging and died. His mother has done the best she has been able to do under the circumstances but the kid is now going off the rails and he's 18 so there's nothing she can legally do to stop his behaviour. He has a gambling addiction, an alcohol addiction and she fears that drugs are going to be the next step. He spent the last few years fucking up at school and she has struggled to know how to solve the situation. Addictive personality unfortunately runs in the family.

She spent 18 years giving him everything she could, and now she's watching it all go down the drain. Yeah, the pleasures of parenting.......

Don't assume that every child is going to bring joy and happiness to a family.

Love isn't enough to make kids turn out well and be the cause of pride and happiness for the parents.

I wish he still dressed like this. He could button the shirt up a bit higher since he's not in as good a shape now as he was back in these days. He'd still look hot.

You know what's more distracting that both listening to the radio and talking on the phone combined? Road head.

Men can't do that!

Amazing! It's pretty apparent from Margiela's work that he had links with JPG. It's fascinating the way a symbiosis can be seen without even knowing that the two worked together. That says a lot for both of them really. Out of the Six the two designers that REALLY influenced fashion and managed that perfect combination of avant garde and commercial viability was Ann Demeulemeester and Dries Van Noten. Probably the latter is even more highly regarded for his acute understanding of colour. I think he is a true artist, with a complete disregard for trends and solely relies on his own eye and follows his own inspiration. He's great. AD is like an architect who never got to build buildings. She has an engineering skill about her that she translates to clothing in a way that very few others can accomplish. Great signature styles the both of them.

I do, but I keep it pretty classic. Fashion forward but classic.

French style is 99% of the time underpinned with a classic sensibility. That's why I imagine you 'a la Francaise'. Jean Paul Gaultier and Martin Margiela are rogues of French fashion.

Your taste is probably leaning more towards the American culture for neat but relaxed, casual sportiness, as opposed to the French (and also Italian) very fine taste for exquisite tailoring which is slowly becoming a thing of the past due to today's more relaxed corporate environment.

It's interesting that Glow (as a young French dude) wears cool scarves when required to present a certain style/image and that you too gravitate to that look. I see this as a sign that the traditional tie is becoming a thing of the past and young men are looking to other ways to express formality other than the usual 'suit and tie' ensemble. Cool.

Martin Margiela is Belgian. He graduated in Antwerp. I know he worked/works in Paris, but he is Belgian.

I didn't know that! Belgium being a French speaking country and given the fact that he lives, works and shows in Paris and has an understanding of cut and silhouette that is frankly only seen in the French and Italians, I actually assumed he was French but it makes total sense. His design aesthetic is very Belgian or even closer to the Dutch. He doesn't have any of the classic French idiosyncrasies about him, yet his understanidng of cut and silhouette is so sophisticated and is ideally French! He is a genuine anomaly. That explains why he is so revered yet his clothes are so unwearable.

So now it's down to JPG, the only true French rogue designer. Rogue Vogue.

We speak Dutch (Flemish) here. Thank you very much. 60% of the Belgians speak Dutch. The Antwerp school is especially famous for the Antwerp Six (Walter Van Beirendonck, Ann Demeulemeester, Dries Van Noten, Dirk van Saene, Dirk Bikkembergs, Marina Yee).

Ja, ik spreek Nederlands ook. Het was meestal omdat Martin Margiela heeft en Frans naam en zijn erfend erkenis zijn Frans, dat ik gedacht dat hij Frans was. Ik ben bewust van het Antwerp Zes. Die zijn iedereen zeer getalenteerd. Maar MM wordt niet behelzen en dat is waarschijnlijk omdat hij heeft zijn naam gemaakt in Parijs? Net als Azzedine Alaia heeft zijn naam gemaakt in Parijs en niet Tunisia.

Ik hou heel veel van het Antwerpse 'school of design'. Veronique Branquinho, zijn ook een van mijn favouriet ontwerpers. En wat meet kunnen we zeggen over Raf Simons en Olivier Theyskens?

Sorry, mijn Nederlands zijn niet fantastisch maar ik bedoelt helemaal geen overtreding bij mijn fout. Veel respect zijn verdient aan het Belgische

En jullie maakt ook het beste chocolade in de wereld!

I want as many kids as I can afford and that I can allocate time for.

Same here, but the pregnancies were so hard on my wife we stopped after two. She says that if I want more then I have to take another wife. Might adopt a kid or two some time, though.

Hard as in morning sickness blah blah or like actual complications with the pregnancy?

Uuuugh, you want kids but have NO idea of what it is to gestate a foetus and eventually give birth to a human being.

GUYS! LEARN WHAT WOMEN GO THROUGH WHEN GIVING BIRTH TO YOUR CHILDREN!!!

(Then maybe you'll find doing the dishes and cleaning the toilet a breeze AND you'll get sex after birth. Double whammy.)

Giving birth was the greatest and most fullfilling moment of my life. It's not always horrible.

Did you have good drugs?

I remember being at the hospital when my sister in law gave birth to her first child. It came so quickly that there was no time to administer any drugs so it was a completely natural birth. It was over and done with in an hour but the first thing that came out of my sister in laws mouth when I saw her together with their new baby was "wow, we don't want to be doing that again in a hurry". The pain for her was so intense and she wasn't prepared for the primal aspect of it: the screaming, the seething pain, the blood, the gore, the kind of anarchistic feeling that getting that thing out of her induced in her! It was quite a shock not just to her but to me as well.

When she became pregnant again last year I reminded her of that quote and she said she wasn't looking forward to it but was willing to go through it again for the rewards of being a parent, again. At least second time around she knew what she was in for and did it willingly.

I do, but I keep it pretty classic. Fashion forward but classic.

French style is 99% of the time underpinned with a classic sensibility. That's why I imagine you 'a la Francaise'. Jean Paul Gaultier and Martin Margiela are rogues of French fashion.

Your taste is probably leaning more towards the American culture for neat but relaxed, casual sportiness, as opposed to the French (and also Italian) very fine taste for exquisite tailoring which is slowly becoming a thing of the past due to today's more relaxed corporate environment.

It's interesting that Glow (as a young French dude) wears cool scarves when required to present a certain style/image and that you too gravitate to that look. I see this as a sign that the traditional tie is becoming a thing of the past and young men are looking to other ways to express formality other than the usual 'suit and tie' ensemble. Cool.

Martin Margiela is Belgian. He graduated in Antwerp. I know he worked/works in Paris, but he is Belgian.

I didn't know that! Belgium being a French speaking country and given the fact that he lives, works and shows in Paris and has an understanding of cut and silhouette that is frankly only seen in the French and Italians, I actually assumed he was French but it makes total sense. His design aesthetic is very Belgian or even closer to the Dutch. He doesn't have any of the classic French idiosyncrasies about him and the fact he is so conceptual makes him very unFrench (hence my definition of being a rogue), yet his understanidng of cut and silhouette is so sophisticated and is ideally French! He is a genuine anomaly. That explains why he is so revered yet his clothes are so unwearable.

So now it's down to JPG, the only true French rogue designer. Rogue Vogue.

Oh you're ignorance estrangedtwat is so enlightening! (Enlightening of many things including your lack of sex life, I mean).

Obviously you are not aware that whilst driving a vehicle, listening to radio is far less intrusive on concentration than talking on the phone, selecting (SHOCK HORROR!) podcasts and iPod selections (yes, we have those here in Oz ).

You know what? I actually really enjoy listening to a fucking kick ass radio station for the breakfast session every week morning for my hour long drive to work. It has 3 awesome and hilarious hosts, they play NEW music that suits my musical tastes and which doesn't miraculously just appear on my iPod/iPhone (yes, for the second time we do INDEED have those things here in Australia :awesomeface:), they have NO ADVERTISING (what kind of ancient backwater do you live in where you need to be subjected to advertising in order to listen to some music and some people talking ), I hear today's news and to top it off they have interviews with some really interesting people that I would otherwise probably not encounter.

I'm sure this will go right over your (pea brained) head but radio is actually a really educational, informative and entertaining form of media. Obviously not in Japan, but elsewhere in the world it's highly valued as a source of news, new music, discussion, comedy and just basic entertainment.

I do, but I keep it pretty classic. Fashion forward but classic.

French style is 99% of the time underpinned with a classic sensibility. That's why I imagine you 'a la Francaise'. Jean Paul Gaultier and Martin Margiela are rogues of French fashion.

Your taste is probably leaning more towards the American culture for neat but relaxed, casual sportiness, as opposed to the French (and also Italian) very fine taste for exquisite tailoring which is slowly becoming a thing of the past due to today's more relaxed corporate environment.

It's interesting that Glow (as a young French dude) wears cool scarves when required to present a certain style/image and that you too gravitate to that look. I see this as a sign that the traditional tie is becoming a thing of the past and young men are looking to other ways to express formality other than the usual 'suit and tie' ensemble. Cool.

I want as many kids as I can afford and that I can allocate time for.

Same here, but the pregnancies were so hard on my wife we stopped after two. She says that if I want more then I have to take another wife. Might adopt a kid or two some time, though.

Hard as in morning sickness blah blah or like actual complications with the pregnancy?

Uuuugh, you want kids but have NO idea of what it is to gestate a foetus and eventually give birth to a human being.

GUYS! LEARN WHAT WOMEN GO THROUGH WHEN GIVING BIRTH TO YOUR CHILDREN!!!

(Then maybe you'll find doing the dishes and cleaning the toilet a breeze AND you'll get sex after birth. Double whammy.)

Glow can pull it off, he's French.

But one thing that French men learn is what is their personal style and how to present that without being influenced by anyone/anything else. They stick to it faithfully. My guess from your posts in this thread mags, is that you too have your own personal style 'a la Francaise'.

The other thing I hear ALL the time, is that children sap all the sexual energy from a person (particularly women) so don't expect to be having the same sex life after babies are born, guys.

That's what other women are for.

Welcome hooray for tolerance!, goodbye pussy.......just sayin'

Most radio "personalities" make their living talking about nothing BUT jerking off while they're on the air. Maybe his ratings would improve if he followed suit.

Or maybe he'll realize that nobody listens to the radio anymore cause this is the year 2014 and radio is dead as fuck.

Fucking bullshit. You live in Japan where no one drives cars. They all cram onto trains where there are platform facilitators to push every single possible human body onto a train like it was the Gestapo cramming Jews onto a train destined for Auschwitz.

In the rest of the world people drive cars (most likely Japanese ) to work and they listen to the radio in the morning and on the drive home rather than listening to the same CD on repeat, in the comfort of their heating/air conditioning/phone in dock to take calls, etc......

The other thing I hear ALL the time, is that children sap all the sexual energy from a person (particularly women) so don't expect to be having the same sex life after babies are born, guys.

That's what other women are for.

Lets see how that works out for you.

Indeed mags. I agree. Being a female I have an automatic reaction against 'fur' in anything's nether regions. I want to give that shirt a Brazilian.

The other thing I hear ALL the time, is that children sap all the sexual energy from a person (particularly women) so don't expect to be having the same sex life after babies are born, guys. I would say that that is probably one of the main relationship drains between a man and a woman. The man is still keen to go and the woman is just too fucking tired and distracted to contemplate being sexy as well. I read this in relation to an article about reduced libido after giving birth:

"My baby is 15months & I STILL dont really feel in the mood for sex .. if it happens twice a month, it's a miracle ! I had a caesar, so I don't know if that had something to do with it ? but besides that, I work full-time, have to see to things at home in the evenings, and to baby, and cook & clean and hubby doesn't really help out much by letting me sleep at night once in a while so that he can get up to see to baby .... so i'm drained, day in, day out ... and in a way I feel resentful towards him because of this, and don't feel that I want to be loving with him because I'm doing mostly everything while he just sits there & relaxes each evening. it's hard. this is my first child ... I would love more, but not if things are going to be this way. Will I ever get my sexd drive back to what it used to be ? I doubt it..."

So male parents, get your fucking rubber gloves on and do the dishes and clean the toilet if you want any after the baby is born.

Plus if your life is wild, (not saying mine is) you can't fuckin' risk your life or even be unresponsible with your money once you have a kid.

If you die, that kid is not gonna have a father. I can't see how I could keep my sanity and my freedom like that even if I felt the need to do it.

Not for everyone. You know, when I was born, my parents didn't have any money and they were clearly not ready to have kids. They fucked me up big time because of it, but it wasn't all on them. They were too young and too poor. I've suffered greatly and my 2 sisters had a great childhood (at least compared to me)

The way I look at it is: if you want to have a kid, be responsible enough to ask yourself if you think you can do it, if you are willing and ready for the change that is surely coming, and if you have enough money to raise a kid. The relationship between the 2 future parents should be solid, etc. The list is almost endless.

It really is not for everyone. In our modern society it's still considered kinda weird if you don't have kids and you're in your 30's or 40's. At least in my country. But people are starting to realize one solution for everyone is a mistake in this case. Progress.

I don't know how old you are but the financial burden is even greater today so two people who are not well off enough to raise a child are actually placing that child in a situation that is to their great detriment.

You raise a good point too about the relationship between the parents being solid. I see first hand from my sister in law and her husband the strain that parenting puts on them and prior to children they were two of the most mature, 'in love' people I'd ever met. They love their children dearly and I can see for them how rewarding it is, they love it. But I see moments close hand where it's very difficult for them to keep all the juggling balls in the air as well as maintain a good relationship.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against kids. Just not for me. My guess is becoming a father changes you in a big way. I don't want to change. I like my life and my freedom. I'm perfectly fine with not passing my genes forward.

Me too. I know several people who love their kids dearly but if given the chance to do it again, said no they wouldn't. I think that kind of honesty is really rare as most people wouldn't dare denigrate the whole 'parenting being the most rewarding role on earth' mantra. For some people it is and for some it doesn't deliver the rewards that it was supposed to.

I think it's particularly hard on women these days because there are so many traditional expectations of what a mother will do, yet the days of 'stay at home mothers' are pretty much a thing of the past. So many women are working full time and then going home to a family where they have to cook and on top of that keep the house clean, hopefully with some contribution from the father. I've had the discussion with some of the women I work with who have families and aren't in the situation of having cleaners (they're struggling to meet the mortgage repayments, pay the school fees, pay the bills, there's literally nothing left for them ), and apparently the key is "to not sit down until EVERYTHING is done". Every. Fucking. Day.

Nate - But without meaning to condescend, you're still very young aren't you?? I mean, when I was 21 I would've run a mile, but I'll be 30 next year and I don't feel the same as I did back then.

I'm 40 and I still feel exactly the same as I did when I was 21. Parenting just isn't for everyone. For me personally i just don't feel maternal and have no interest in raising a child for the usual reasons that people do so. Aside from the rewarding aspects of parenting it can't be underestimated the strain it puts on relationships if not timed properly. Today it costs more than ever before to raise children to the age of 18. It can make or break a relationship. It's fucking expensive and IMO is kind of a luxury.

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/jan/23/cost-raising-child-surges

http://www.todaysparent.com/family/family-budget/million-dollar-babies/

http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/cost-of-raising-a-child-to-18-is-now-1-million-according-to-research/story-e6frfmd9-1225803963004

I don't think this thread is hurting at all. At least McCoy has a place where he can be truthful with a decent amount of anonymity. There's things that can be said and discussed here with honest feedback that usually isn't done in the outside world.

My 2 cents.

I don't think there's any honesty here in his part. I hear excuses which couldn't be further from the truth of what's really going on and what he actually wants to achieve.

/thread.

or:

THE END. Not to be continued.

*Credits roll*

(This film sucked. Too much unresolved conflict and no sex scenes )

Nowadays Vogue have all their archives online. You pay about US$1800 a year to have full access to any and every issue.

do they give you an access to the US archives only, or to all regional versions as well?

US only. It's the longest running of all the Vogue titles though.

I once had access to The Times database, every page online, from 1785 until the 1980s. It was fascinating to read news as it actually reached the people: ''news just in; reports just coming in of a major battle just south of Brussels'' (dated, 19th June 1815) - and such like.

I always loved The Saturday Evening Post. Great snapshots into the past and the frequent covers by Norman Rockwell are always a treat.