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    in 2013

    Posted

    The LA Times got the chance to catch up with audio engineer Mark Gray, who recorded some of Axl's vocals for the Chinese Democracy album during the Palms Studio sessions of 2006.

    Next month will mark two years since audio engineer Mark Gray, 31, dropped by the studio at the Palms to say goodbye to his co-workers before departing for a vacation. His boss asked him if he would be willing to come back early to do some just-booked sessions. "I went from 'no way,' " he recalls, "to changing my plane ticket right away." All it took to change his mind is what the sessions were for recording. And, on Dec. 27, 2006, Gray found himself one of the many engineers to be connected to the legendary Guns N' Roses disc "Chinese Democracy."

    Axl Rose arrived at the Palms Studio inside the resort and worked for 13 days in 2006 on his vocals for the finally released disc. Gray recalls a list of 14 songs (the same number as on the released version) many with working titles. Among those Rose worked on at Palms Studio he is sure are on the disc are "Chinese Democracy," "Madagascar" and "Prostitute." Despite the years and controversies that accompanied over a decade-long (The Palms was years from being built when Rose started work on the album) process of creating "Chinese Democracy," Gray found Rose focused in their sessions at the end of 2006. Gray recalls:

    "He had a firm handshake and looked you straight in the eye. It was all vocal overdubs or vocal leads. He would move from song to song, working on different parts. He was jumping about, but he knew exactly what he wanted. The producers set everything so the workflow is catered to the artist for anyone, and that is how it went down here. From what I saw, it was first takes or at most two or three takes. Rose would say, 'I can get the part better' or 'I can tighten it up.' "

    And even if it took two more years for the results to be released, Gray was sure the album would eventually come out based on what he heard during those weeks working with Rose. While Gray was happy to play his tiny part in the disc, of course, he is happier now that "Chinese Democracy" is available to all, with Gray's engineering work from 2006 integrated into the finished disc. Gray notes of the sessions:

    "This is Guns N' Roses. I had the butterflies in the stomach the night before each night. It was absolutely special. When you hear his voice, it was a highlight of my career. He just went in and sang. He was living with the record a long time by then, and he really knew what he wanted to do. He proved a good guy to be around. We would start about 5 or 6 in the evening, hitting tape by 7. We worked five or six hours. These were great sessions. It was a great moment in the studio for me, and it was technically flawless."

    Source: LA Times

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    The 2002 Appreciation/Revisited Thread

    in 2013

    Posted

    I've never been 100% clear on what happened at that Detroit show that pissed Axl off so much. What exactly went down?

    There were sound problems. The band botched 'Patience' and Axl was getting the lyrics wrong.

    This.

    I was there and have watched it several times on DVD since and I'm still not exactly sure what the problem was. Patience was just ridiculously bad. I don't know if there was a monitor issue where they all couldn't hear each other or what, but everyone including Axl just seemed confused as hell through the entire song.

    Im not sure, but Axl looks like he has no enthusiasm during the song, he almost seems depressed. The way he walks and sings. Something is thrown on stage at at 1:35:08 but im not sure if this affected him. Anyway after he throws the mic and then returns for the finale his voice is better and he seems more enthusiastic

    Axl Considers himself a timebroker

    in 2013

    Posted

    1991 interview where Axl explains everything he does is to buy time to get away from it all (0:08:28).

    Fans can call in with their questions and at some point (0:31:30) there is a "Saul from Pasadena" calling. LOL! Guess it was the only way Slash could reach Axl at the time

    GNR Article on ESPN Grantland - Building a Better Democracy

    in 2013

    Posted

    Exactly, but then again we have those ppl, the majority, wanting the same shit over n over again, like AC/DC n Aerosmith.

    Art is bad for business.

    Axl should never, ever cater to those people musically. Anybody that advocates the contents of that article are hypocrites because they so vehemently oppose Dj ASHBA on a day to day basis. Yet, a major recommendation of that piece is that Axl shouldn't attempt to conquer new ground musically but instead become an inferior parody of a former GNR. Essentially he's suggesting Axl manifest the current way of touring into GNR's entire approach.

    Agreed

    Samples & Covers

    in 2013

    Posted

    Heres that news story of GNR being sued by Ullrich Schnauss:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/36711-guns-n-roses-sued-for-ripping-off-ulrich-schnauss-on-chinese-democracy/

    Guns N' Roses Sued for Ripping Off Ulrich Schnauss on Chinese Democracy Superstar pop-metal meets ambient shoegaze, at last. By Tom Breihan on October 6, 2009 at 11:05 a.m.
    dda5b7ea.jpg

    Schnauss photo by Troy Stains

    None of us noticed at the time, but there's a very good chance that "Riad N' the Bedouins", a track from Guns N' Roses' attempted comeback album Chinese Democracy, samples unlicensed chunks of a couple of tracks by the German electronic shoegaze auteur Ulrich Schnauss. Yes, Ulrich Schnauss. Whoa.

    As Reuters reports, two indie labels-- Independiente and the American arm of Domino-- are suing GNR and their label, Interscope-Geffen A&M, for $1 million in damages (via Spin). The lawsuit claims that pieces of the Schnauss tracks "Wherever You Are" and "A Strangely Isolated Place" both turn up on "Riad N' the Bedouins".

    If you listen to all three songs, it's a pretty tough claim to dispute. Before its guitar riff roars in, "Riad N' the Bedouins" has a drawn-out ambient intro that uses wobbly, faraway synth sounds that seem to come directly from both songs.

    To hear it for yourself, check here to listen to "Riad" and

    and
    for the two Schnauss originals.

    According to Reuters, the suit names Axl Rose along with a few current and former GNR members: kabuki freakshow virtuoso guitarist Brian "Buckethead" Carroll, former Replacements bassist Tommy Stinson, and Nine Inch Nails guitarist Robin Finck.

    If it turns out that Guns N' Roses really did unlawfully sample Ulrich Schnauss, it raises a whole bunch of questions: Did Axl really think nobody would notice if he just straight-up swiped pieces of Schauss songs? Did he not trust himself to write his own ambient synthgaze intro? After spending tons of money and way too many years recording Chinese Democracy, couldn't he have bothered to clear his samples? And does Axl just sit around his mansion jamming Ulrich Schnauss all day? Because it would be pretty cool if he did.

    And quite like this cover of NR:

    This is a hungarian band, so as a hugarian i would like to share that this is an extremely cheesy and shitty cover, like the most of Edda's songs i cringe when i hear it...

    I fucking hate them

    and this is the worst "professional" NR cover of all time, imo

    Poor song raped by this fuckhead singer who sees ufo's everywhere and shit like this :suspicious:

    I dont know anything about the singer, but quite liked this version and his voice. Havent heard anything else from him

    Samples & Covers

    in 2013

    Posted

    Heres that news story of GNR being sued by Ullrich Schnauss:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/36711-guns-n-roses-sued-for-ripping-off-ulrich-schnauss-on-chinese-democracy/

    Guns N' Roses Sued for Ripping Off Ulrich Schnauss on Chinese Democracy Superstar pop-metal meets ambient shoegaze, at last. By Tom Breihan on October 6, 2009 at 11:05 a.m.
    dda5b7ea.jpg

    Schnauss photo by Troy Stains

    None of us noticed at the time, but there's a very good chance that "Riad N' the Bedouins", a track from Guns N' Roses' attempted comeback album Chinese Democracy, samples unlicensed chunks of a couple of tracks by the German electronic shoegaze auteur Ulrich Schnauss. Yes, Ulrich Schnauss. Whoa.

    As Reuters reports, two indie labels-- Independiente and the American arm of Domino-- are suing GNR and their label, Interscope-Geffen A&M, for $1 million in damages (via Spin). The lawsuit claims that pieces of the Schnauss tracks "Wherever You Are" and "A Strangely Isolated Place" both turn up on "Riad N' the Bedouins".

    If you listen to all three songs, it's a pretty tough claim to dispute. Before its guitar riff roars in, "Riad N' the Bedouins" has a drawn-out ambient intro that uses wobbly, faraway synth sounds that seem to come directly from both songs.

    To hear it for yourself, check here to listen to "Riad" and

    and
    for the two Schnauss originals.

    According to Reuters, the suit names Axl Rose along with a few current and former GNR members: kabuki freakshow virtuoso guitarist Brian "Buckethead" Carroll, former Replacements bassist Tommy Stinson, and Nine Inch Nails guitarist Robin Finck.

    If it turns out that Guns N' Roses really did unlawfully sample Ulrich Schnauss, it raises a whole bunch of questions: Did Axl really think nobody would notice if he just straight-up swiped pieces of Schauss songs? Did he not trust himself to write his own ambient synthgaze intro? After spending tons of money and way too many years recording Chinese Democracy, couldn't he have bothered to clear his samples? And does Axl just sit around his mansion jamming Ulrich Schnauss all day? Because it would be pretty cool if he did.

    And quite like this cover of NR:

    Samples & Covers

    in 2013

    Posted

    Overview of artist sampling GNR in their songs

    http://www.whosampled.com/sampled/Guns%20N%27%20Roses/

    26 songs have sampled a GNR track

    Clearly GNR used samples from other artist as well, allthough only two: Soundgarden and the German artist Ullrich Schnauss who also sued GNR for their sampling in Riad & the Bedouins.

    http://www.whosampled.com/artist/Guns%20N%27%20Roses/

    GNR have covered 20 songs that has been released

    http://www.whosampled.com/covers/Guns%20N%27%20Roses/

    And finally, the bands songs have been covered 52 times by other artists

    http://www.whosampled.com/covered/Guns%20N%27%20Roses/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KGzh7hmzTNo#at=24

    Should this song be on CD2?

    in 2013

    Posted · Edited by sword&tulipz

    The beginning of that was Prostitute... pretty cool. Thanks for posting. Anyone know what show this is from?

    Boston 2002

    The show features, by the way, a really good version of Chinese Democracy IMO

    Should this song be on CD2?

    in 2013

    Posted · Edited by sword&tulipz

    I think they could make a great cover of this song if Axl's voice is on form. An average song, but could be good with Axl twisting and turning it around. A bit like KOHD.

    Axl did play the intro live on piano so I guess he must like it.

    (Starts around 0:59)

    The song is called MacArthur Park, originally from Jimmy Webb

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