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Not really familiar with DJ's stuff, I assume that I don't like it. Sixx AM was okay. Bumblefoots stuff is fucking great though. Insanely good musician; genius guitarist.

Doesn't sound like Axl's style at all. More like something Bumble would do.

I'll admit I haven't listened to them in a few years. But I remember really not liking either of them. I seem to be in a small minority on this forum that feels this way.

Izzy doesn't want to say anything

And BTW Axl is right, Kiss is a joke and Iron Maiden sucks.

Kiss is a joke, still like 'em though. And Maiden does not suck.

Even while they were still living in poverty and nobody knew who they were, with guys with connections to help his band like Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley hanging around, Axl was able to quickly realize what fucking asshole douchebags those two clowns are (especially Simmons). I gotta respect that.

Yup.

I read about that on facebook...tragic...but looks like the police department is doing the right thing and immediately arresting/charging the officer...and the other officers have all been put on leave.

It's also important to note that the officer cooperated with authorities, not that it makes him any better, but at least he realizes he fucked up pretty bad.

Probably just keeping him alive long enough to learn how to cook everything the right way, including the color.

Good point, forgot about that scene last episode.

Everyone hates Todd, be he just fucking saved Jesse's life.

Well, we don't know that for sure. He could have had a chat with Uncle Jack and they perhaps both agreed that it was more profitable to keep Jesse alive. Even though Uncle Jack told Walt he'd take care of Jesse, I don't think that would stop him from breaking that deal to make some more $.

Nice.

What about some guitar covers ?!

I'd like to hear some

I could do that, this week is going to be pretty busy for me, but around next weekend I may have some time.

Jesus why get into a debate about the tuning and tabs etc. whatever the argument for each, we still won't know for sure until its played live, or we get an official tab book for the next album... Or indeed a band member tells us.

As noted earlier, a lot of the songs on Chinese Democracy are in standard tuning, BUT live they are played a 1/2 step down. So a live performance of Going Down probably wouldn't answer this for us. Also if the song was written in 2002/2003 as suggested by many people on here, and it still hasn't been played live once, well..... yeah you get it. A tab book/sheet music might give us some illumination/confirmation on this, but I doubt that will ever happen for a leaked track, so hopefully you're right and it's on the next album (if there is one).

Dude, so if you tune a half step down, and you play the B naturally it is a Bb - so you press the B string on the first fret, and what would have been a C, becomes a B.

Correct... but then it's not an open note. 1:28 is an open note.

Support for my arguments? It's called the way the fretboard works man. Open notes and fretted notes sound different? How the hell do you know what that guitar being played sounds like with an un-fretted or a fretted note? Are you comparing the sound of your guitar to someone else's guitar? - can't be done to determine how the note was played.

Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.

I suggest some theory 101 for you...the evidence is called musical theory and common sense, dumbass.

I studied theory under a Berklee theory graduate for 3 years, my theory is solid. This is simple stuff, if you want to get into serious stuff I can talk about modal interchange, secondary dominance, and figured bass all day long, but that's not what this is about so shut it about the theory talk. You are unwilling to accept that CD is in standard tuning. Your argument for CD being a half step down is: "All Guns stuff is 1/2 step down." Better may be an exception, I do believe that song is indeed a half step down. But take a look at the other songs I noted in previous posts, they are clearly in standard tuning.

Now, this is really my last post in this thread, because this is getting redundant. Just to let you know, you still haven't provided any evidence for your points; you've disputed my points (to an ineffective degree), but that does not = you having evidence. Get me a video/interview of Foot/4tus/whoever saying that Going Down and CD is a 1/2 step down, OR prove it with theory (with your own theoretical content, not strings of general sentences and questions attempting to dispute my content). Have your last word, call me whatever expletive your mind can serve up, and move on.

That's pretty much the way I feel. I think this episode was huge in terms of character development - it pretty much finished developing Skylar, Marie and Hank as all three 'Broke Bad'. Now it's time to dismantle them...and that's what will begin to happen, imo.

This is what I've been waiting for since the start of part 2 of this season. I thought last night's episode was the best of the last four by far.

I couldn't really pick anything specific, his voice is just great on everything. Since you mentioned Angel Down though, I always thought he sounded way better than Baz on this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb16WsbEl5c

I'm really trying to keep my composure here, but you're pushing it. If an open B note is payed on the recording of Going Down (which I think happens at 1:28), the song couldn't be a half step down because that note would be a Bb. Open notes and closed notes sound different, even if they are the same pitch; my ears hear the open B. When I play along with the song, the B is correct and the Bb sounds clearly out of tune. You are still offering no support for your arguments while Route66 corroborated my stance. Your method of argumentation is flawed sir, not mine. You are failing to address my single point with evidence: CD is mostly (if not all, tbh I don't feel like going through it all, you can if you'd like) in standard tuning. Pick up your guitar, and play along with it. I'm done with this. If you have evidence, great! Show me. If not, go find some or FO.

I think he described it more as "doom metal". I wouldn't go that far but I suppose the main chorus riff has a doomy, Iommi kind of feel.

Yup that was it. I knew I was getting the term wrong. And I agree, I wouldn't call Sorry "doom metal" (whatever that is).

Dude, I wasn't debating you, I was telling you.

If you're too lazy to google guns n roses tuned half step down, there's no help for you. Would have taken 1/1000th the time it took you to write that post.

Guns songs are tuned a half step down for the most part, this one included. Google it man.

It's not criticism, it's fact. Look at how nicely that song flows in half step down tuning. It's what gives guns songs their sound. They're not the only band, tons of bands do it, but guns does it all the time practically, this song included. It makes the song in a flat key sound, without the difficulty of playing it in that key on say a piano - try november rain on a piano, not tuned down a half step, there's some f'd up chords in there if you don't. Same as this song. If it turns a song into a song played in am or C on a piano (which axl plays) makes it night and day different and easier to play.

Agian, look at stinson's video one man mutiny, look at him playing G while dizzy plays F# on the piano.

Anyway, you can accept the truth or not, do yourself a favour, google it, might help your technical understanding of some songs in general.

Okay fine, lets continue.

First, please link me to these Google sources that state Chinese Democracy is a half step down. I am not debating that Appetite, Lies, UYI, GNR live performances, or Tommy Stinson songs are in standard tuning. They are not. I am saying there's quite a bit of evidence that the studio recordings on CD are in standard tuning. This is the point you are failing to dispute me on. Since CD is in standard tuning, that lead me to believe Going Down is as well, also the previously stated reason of the open note(s).

From my previous post:

Probably Baz.

Was literally just about to reply with that, jokingly though. I remember Baz saying something in 06/07 about "there's this great death rock song called Sorry." Or something like that.

I don't think it's a bad habit. I can almost guarantee that the song was written with reference to open tuning, either on a standard tuned guitar, or on a guitar tuned down half step. How do you play paradise city? I watch slash and every other guitarist play it with those same chords - do you do them one better and refuse to play a half step down, and play along in open tuning? ##Winner! lol

If it was written on a standard tuned guitar, when they recorded they dropped it a half step in tuning, like every gnr song recorded before, including appetite.

If it was written on a tuned down guitar, it was because it was the guitar they had lying around because that is what they use live.

Imo you're crazy if you try to play the songs of a band that tunes every song down a half step, in standard tuning. Why would you do that? Maybe you're trying to prove something to yourself??

I would actually say you're incorrect to say it's B B F# F#. Yes those ARE the notes, but they are only the notes because the guitars are tuned down, like every other song they wrote and play live, so tecnically it should be C C G G - but to give it that 'sound' and to make it a little easier to sing along to, like every other song they play, they tuned it down a half step, so that C becomes a B, and that G becomes an F#. If Tommy wrote it, which he probably did, do you think when he was putting the chord structure together, he was sitting around with an acoustic playing those chords? No, he was likely strumming G, C, D, A chord shapes, like a lot of his songs.

Look at their video recording of one man mutiny. Tommy's playing open chords on the acoustic, and look at Dizzy playing the piano - Dizzy's playing F#'s etc like you tabbed out on the piano. That's because Dizzy was using the hotel piano in standard tuning, not tuned down a half step, but he was playing along with Tommy using a guitar tuned down a half step, and tommy is playing those same chords on at song, G C D ...

No, I don't play along to old Guns recordings while I'm in standard tuning. I sure as hell play through songs just for fun on my own though in standard tuning ( and they still sound like the songs....weird).

And I think you're wrong about GNR's tuning. Yes, Appetite, Lies, UYI are certainly a half step down. But I don't think CD is. I just checked with the song CD, and There Was A Time. If they are tuned a half step down, they'd be played in a pretty unnecessary way. The songs make much more sense in standard tuning, check the songs for yourself, play along to the opening riff of CD with those D F and G chords or the chorus to TWAT with B's and E's or Sorry which is clearly in D minor. Looks a lot like standard tuning to me. Now perhaps they tune a half step down live because it's easier for Axl to sing and the old material was already that way. But it's looking to me that most of if not all of CD is in standard tuning.

I don't want to get in a never ending argument so this is the last I'll say on this; if you have video of Foot/4tus/whoever saying "yeah we do 1/2 step down in the studio" I'd be more inclined to agree with you, but for now I am going to leave the tab as is. Anyway, I do appreciate the criticism as it has helped me confirm my previous views, and good ol' debate is always a fun activity. Cheers.

Went through this ...gnr usually tune down a half step. If you tune your guitar down a half step, the song seems to make sense and fall in line with rock n roll cowboy chords

The opening chords for example at standard tuning are:

B B F# F#

G# G# G# F#

C# C#

Tuned down a half step you play:

C C G G

A A A G

D D

I know what you're saying, but that's a bad habit. Tuned down a half step, the key is still F#, and you still play B F# G# C# but its on a different fret. So it's not really correct to say there are C G A or D chords in the song. A good reason for not getting into this habit is say a year from now you're trying out for an ensemble and the singer says do you know song "X"? Well of course you do, song "X" is in F#.... but you go and play and F chord, because you're tuned a half step down and that's the normal tuning F# position.

Anyway, the reason I chose to tab it out in standard tuning is because of the lead lick played at the tail end of the first chorus's second riff (if that makes sense, 1:28 in the song) . I examined this for a while and I'm pretty sure what is played is:

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My ears hear at least one open note being played. And if that is correct, the song couldn't be a half step down (unless that lick is on a separate audio track and was dubbed over, that's a bit harder to tell).

Though I am not 100% settled on this so if you have striking evidence, I'd be willing to change the tab/edit it.

It would be nice to hear the rest of the songs but I think a lot has happened preventing it from happening in the near future. For one, most of those songs were recorded over 10 years ago with almost a completely different lineup. It would be the equivalent of trying to get songs that were recorded by the original band, put on a new album.

And I would have to respectfully disagree about 'Going Down'. Although I think it's a decent song, I still think it needs to be mastered. The backing vocals (Axl singing) either need to be eliminated or raised up to the level where it would almost sound like a duet. I think that's also another major problem with the unreleased material - I think a lot of it is completely unfinished/ un mastered, etc. The new lineup would have to come in and basically have to re record the songs and they might not sound the same, etc. There's a big difference in the sounds of the 2002 lineup to the current. It's almost as big of a difference as the original lineup.

This is basically the defense as to why the songs have not been released. Going Down is clearly not a finished mix, probably not even mastered. I think if you removed Tommy's vocals and had Axl record a full vocal track in 2006 or so, it would be quite a badass song. I don't know when Going Down was recorded, but it doesn't sound like Buckethead is on there, to my ears at least. I think I hear Finck/Foot more so in the guitar playing/tone. Though I could be wrong, I'm not terribly familiar with Buckethead.

The problem with the unreleased material is that its all speculation; we don't really know how much exists nor do we know the degree to which its been completed. I agree that much of it would have to be remixed/remastered, maybe even re-recorded. But so what? That's far easier than writing 15 new original songs.

I would be happy with what we have if he at least tried and if he put some effort on things. I can't be happy with what we have when we could have much more and much better if Axl tried.

Let's take Going Down for example. I think its great, I probably like it more than anything on CD. But it makes me wonder... how many "Going Down's" are sitting in a master tape in some studio gathering dust? What's the point in recording all of this music, and then not releasing it? Especially if it's good. I don't really keep up with this stuff, but I think Sebastian Bach, Bumblefoot, and Axl have all at different times there's anywhere from 1-3 albums worth of material that's been written and recorded.

I'll admit, I wouldn't call myself a fan of the new GNR. CD was good, it had some cool songs, and some which I thought were terrible. But that's for another thread. I am a far bigger fan of Slash's and Steven's current stuff. And guess what? They both maintain direct contact with their fan-bases. Slash posts to Twitter and FB daily, often about his musical endeavors. Steven's been a bit shakier because he hasn't been in a stable band, but he's managed to release an album under Adler and a few great tracks with Adler's Appetite. Both of them take time after shows to meet fans and sign autographs.

Axl released CD, went on Jimmy Kimmel, disappeared for a few years, went on That Metal Show, and disappeared again. He doesn't maintain contact with fans (the people buying his music, merchandise, and show tickets) nor does GNR managment. I find it incredibly disrespectful on his part and the business camp in GNR. There's this notion that artists are allowed to be dicks because they're artists or they had a tough life or some shenanigans. There's a reason why Slash, Dave Grohl, etc. are so successful in the music business today: they're great guys and they care about their fans. Axl is without a doubt my favorite hard rock singer, but I really am surprised with the amount of BS fans of current GNR put up with.

And before you get on me for ending that sentence with a preposition: I don't care.

I can't see how some people actually think Breaking Bad has gone downhill at all. I think every season has been better than the last, but maybe that's just me...

I have been equally pleased with all seasons of BB up until these last 3 episodes. I thought the first two were pretty boring, and the third one did start to pick up just after the half way mark. They keep showing us these scenes from the future (1 year in the future to be exact) where Walt has a machine gun in his trunk, a beard, a full head of hair, and fake ID's... when does this happen... how are they going to show us this transition in the next 5 episodes. Clearly something goes terribly wrong, I think they should have turned up the intensity meter by now. That being said, I am confident that it will pick up, I'm just wanting it to have picked up earlier.

Breaking Bad is still fairly good I think. Lost really "lost" it after seasons 3/4. I thought The Office was pretty solid up until the last season which was completely abysmal.

01' 68RI LPC w/ WB pick-ups and RS wiring, '76 JMP 1959, Crybaby Classic Wah, and soon Peavey Classic 20. Will post some pics soon.

Hey guys, I just joined so I don't exactly know which section is most appropriate for this (tried searching "guitar tab" via forum function), so I figured I'd leave it here. I heard there was some desire for a Going Down tab on this forum and I found myself bored about a week ago. Enjoy.

http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/g/guns_n_roses/going_down_tab.htm