tinyrobot

He looks more bloated than ever. No cracking jokes and in a bad mood. Avril's not around.

I need that anímated gif where everybody stands up and clap their hands. I need it to applaud Wasted and his two replies from above

You are such a piece of shit poster, tinyrobot

Funny how everybody here almost commit suicide when listening to Ashba play Slash songs, but they try to justify this Miles Boring Crap by saying he is "still learning" YCBM.

Horrible singing, horrible performing, I see no difference between his butchering and Fergie's one.

DEATH.

Haha wow. I think the honest to God difference is that Myles is a humble guy who isn't a petulant child like DJ. He knows he isn't Axl and doesn't try to be, unlike a certain some one who tries to be Slash and just isn't. Myles is thankful for the opportunities he has been given while DJ posts every GNR album in the 'music' section of his website like he has been there all along.

So what? I'm not talking about their personalities but their performances! O_o

Ashba acts like an asshole and plays bad guitar......................and?........................ Myles is humble, knows he ain't no Axl but he still butch GN'R songs being dull, boring and colorless. He makes me want to sleeZzzzz....

I didnt know about this trend of forgiving artists flaws based on behavior. Please leave me out.

All GNR related graphic design is dreadful....

They are so cheap when it comes to corporative design that it has me betting those shits are designed by their little cousins or something.

Funny how everybody here almost commit suicide when listening to Ashba play Slash songs, but they try to justify this Miles Boring Crap by saying he is "still learning" YCBM.

Horrible singing, horrible performing, I see no difference between his butchering and Fergie's one.

DEATH.

Actually I am an engineer and I am very analytical mate as I have to deal in facts not speculation based on incomplete data which is what you are doing......

and I saw the real Guns live back in 87, 88 and several shows during the UYI tour...I also have 80+ music magazines from the 87-96 time period related to Guns which I had scanned and offered here for all to read and have read pretty much read every book that has been published in English on the band so I would say I know a little bit about the real Guns and what went on in that period based on what has been said in the press....

you have no proof Axl played TIL for Slash and cannot say for sure if Slash would not have been willing to work on Axl's ideas...

O.K. now my turn to speculate..........Axl claims in some interview or rant that there are 100's of hours of song ideas in the vault from the 93-96 timeframe and do you really think they are all Slash's ideas and Axl conceded to Slash wishes ? As Duff has said " if you did not do it Axl's way it did not get done" so does it really make sense that they have all these song ideas in the can which were only Slash's?

I have no problem with you speculating, as I enjoy reading others opinions on what they think went down back then, but please stop passing your opinions off as fact because they certainly are not.........

I'm not speculating. I'm posting quotes and linking you to the interviews where those quotes come from.

If you are a real fan from the prime hour then you should remember about This I Love being mentioned by Axl every time he could in 1993. But I guess you are overlooking at it and pretending it doesn't exist in order to favour your theories about Slash.

I have no friggin' idea about the 100 hours of music you say Axl mentioned somewhere sometime ago. I never read about that... which doesn't mean it isn't true. I just can't comment on it because I have never heard about it. I do know Axl mentioned having hours and hours of songs that didn't make Chinese Democracy and that they could fill another two albums. But that's a different beef and era.

You do not read what I write and if you do, you interpret whatever you want, because you have this fixation that I'm trying to defend Axl and it's getting hard to convince you that I am not.

I never denied Slash brought material to the table because it is all mentioned in the different interviews he gave around 1995. I do not know what kind of material Axl provided since I have never read a factual quote on it. I DO KNOW for sure This I Love was written around 1993.

Slash also mentioned Axl wanted "to play industrial and Pearl-Jam crap". Whether Axl actually wrote material that sounded industrial and Pearl-Jam crap or not, I have no clue.

Is it clear now?

Slash wanted to do stuff with Axl, but they couldn't agree on which direction the band should have gone. They had oppossing views and none of them were willing to back down or negotiate. That's when they needed a moderator, a person who could make them understand you can't work in a team if you are not flexible!

All this bullshit makes me think GN'R was a fucking amateur band in terms of composing and managing the band.... They thought they could be artists and managers of themselves..... they fuckin' ruined it for being stubborn, stupid and selfish.

Axl wanted to relax and take 10 years to make an album. Slash wanted to be active because he can't stand not playing or not writting or not recording. So, there you have two personalities and ways of working that are completely oppossed. One is a procrastinator, the other one is a hyperactive kind of person. How you mix the both?

G: Have you talked to Axl at all?

S: No. Me and Duff are real close, we talk all the time. Axl and I haven't talked, I don't think we've actually come to terms with what we're gonna do.

G: Is he mad at you?

S: Not that I know of. As far as I know everything's cool.

G: Was it true about Axl wanting to sue you over use of songs?

S: Yeah. At one point he didn't like the songs, and all of a sudden he wanted them and the [snakepit] record was already done. That set me off. What the f.ck is that? It turned into a bit of a fight.

G: Has it smoothed over at this point?

S: So far, yeah. You know how Guns is. I refuse to f@*king stress out over anything. This [tour] is going back to the old days of actually working hard, putting everybody on a tour bus.

G: Back to the basics.

S: Yeah. It's something that he doesn't necessarily agree with. This is a great outlet for me. I refuse to stress out on Axl's opinion of what I'm doing or what Guns should be or shouldn't be doing.

G: So this is kind of a vacation from Axl.

S: (laugh) I'm not gonna say that. It's not really a vacation from Axl, it's a vacation from the whole mega rock thing. This is a lot like the old days. It would have been great at some point to have been able to get Guns to do this. Luckily I have this band and can go and do it. I'm having a f.cking great time.

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?pid=53940

Unless we find him a fucking wife... which at some point he will have to get.... if Beta isn't his "legal wife" then someone has to be.... this Beta woman can't be babysitting him until he's 80.... she will be 80 too and probably she wants a husband as well.

What does the Snakepit material have to do with Axl wanting Slash to work on Axl's songs that ended up on ChiDem? There is no connection there mate......

Huh?

You got it all wrong... don't even know what you're talking about....

we have not one shred of proof Axl actually ever pitched any new music to the band back then which ended up on ChiDem. But according to Axl in some interview I read there are hundreds of hours of song ideas in the can from that period so they must have been working on something together and if it wasn't the Snakepit material you have to figure some were Axl's ideas yes?.....

No, we don't.... where did I say we did? O_o

Only song I know is TIL. The rest I don't know, which doesn't mean they didn't exist either.

I really have no clue if Slash heard or did not hear Axl's ideas and based on what he says the following...

Slash: This all happened in the brake between the end of the "Illusions"-tour and the proposed beginning of recordings for the next GN'R album. On the first Snakepit-record I used some ideas which were really planned for the next GN'R-record, but Axl and I disagreed on the future direction of the band. I played Axl a demo with some of my ideas for songs, and all he said was: "I don't feel like playing this kind of music." I answered: "But this could be a excellent Gunner-record, hundred percent in GN'R style." He didn't really care 'cause he only wanted to play industrial and Pearl Jam-sounding crap."

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So I kept the songs for myself and went on the road with my friends to do the Snakepit-tour. Playing in small clubs and opening for bigger acts in stadiums gave me a lot of pleasure. When the moment came to return, I rather wanted to tour further with my Snakepit for a couple of months, but the record-company sort of held a gun to my head: "Slash, get off the stage, Axl wants to record the new album." When Axl and I got together, we still couldn't see eye to eye however, which made me decide to leave GN'R in October '96.

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?pid=53912

Slash made comments in the press that he did not want to do ballads but that does not mean he would not have worked on songs if Axl had brought them to the band to consider...You have no idea if Slash would have been willing to work on TIL or not or even if Axl showed it to him............again no actual proof just your opinion...........the only thing we do know about from that period is what happened with the Snakepit material and we do know that Duff and Axl rejected it initially...

How do you know "that doesn't mean".... You're not very analytical, arent you?

He CLEARLY stated no more fuckin' ballads about Stephanie Fuckin' Seymour... what part of that you dont get?

Of course Axl showed THIS I LOVE to Slash and everybody else!!! He was talking about it in every interview or place he could talk about it....... Excuse me, are you a new fan? Cuz it sounds like you weren't around circa 1993....

How do you know Slash wanted no part of TIL?

Slash: Well, 'cause... You know, he's not doing... At one point he said he was gonna a solo project, then he decided his solo project he could do with Guns, which I was like, after doing all those videos and this and that and the other, I was like: "No". [laughs]

No, I don't wanna get involved in any kind of Stephanie Seymour ballads or any of that shit. I took off and then he threatened to sue me, because he wanted the material back that I'd written and already recorded.

When did Slash realize he wanted back in GnR? I never heard him say he wanted back in after he quit?

I meant he was working with Snakepit and his other side-projects while waiting for GN'R to regroup or decide what to do with next album.

But there is no proof that Axl ever tried to work with Slash on the songs you mentioned and that Slash rejected them out of hand so I think it is unfair to claim Slash would not work on Axl's songs..........but we do have proof that Axl initially refused to work on the Snakepit material and Slash took it solo when it was rejected...........

Slash would not have written NR or SCOM either but he contributes some epic solos on those songs so it proves he can adapt and work on Axl's musical ideas.......you're also assuming that Shacklers would have ended up the same if Slash had done he guitar parts which is unlikely...IMO it would have been a completely different song with his input..........While he has been quoted that he did not want to make Axl's type of music back in the 90's IMHo a lot of the hostility was a result of the way Axl treated all of them and his isolation from the rest of the band....Slash later clarified that he would have worked with Axl if Axl had treated them all as equals so it is entirely possible some of the Snakepit and Chidem songs sould have been the next Guns album if the two of them had not been at odds...........as you have said it is far from black and white

Regarding Tobias Axl brought him in against Slash's and Duff's objections, yes Duff did not want to work with him either, so it was not only Slash who had a problems working with him...And Zakk was brought in by Axl not Slash, again against Slash's objections as they are both lead guitar players, so it was doomed to failure from the beginning.........Say what you want about Gilby but he was about as perfect a replacement for the live show as you could get...........and I doubt he could have contributed to the song writing as Izzy did but we will never know as he was never given a chance by Axl...........

Slash said Axl called him because he wanted the Snakepit songs and that's when he had to tell him the news about Snakepit's album... That's the proof. Slash told the story.

I believe Axl didn't have too many ChinDem songs to show Slash in 1996.... TIL for sure he knew, but Slash made it clear he didnt want to make more songs about Seymour. And recently he called SCOM gay and Nov Rain video gay as well...... Slash hated Axl's popular songs. Yes, he worked on them, created amazing riffs and melodies for them. But he was done with that. Didn't want any more of it. Which is stupid in my opinion, because thanks to the "cheesy" songs GN'R got massive.

Nah, Shackler's would have never made it with Slash there.... Slash hated that NIN stuff.... or it would be a completely different song.

I think Axl wanted someone to write with, a friend from Indiana. But Slash didn't want to work with Huge, according to Duff this was the last straw and Slash took Snakepit material and went solo.

Axl/Duff kind of rejected Snakepit before and they'd tried to write with Zakk wylde but it didn't pan out, so Axl brought in Huge. That's when Slash decided to take Snakepit out on his own, giving up on GNR for the time being.

I think TIL existed around 1994 or before. I think Catcher was 1998? The rest seemed to take shape around 1999-2000. maybe TIL was enough to scare Slash away.

I'm not sure what Slash is referring too, depends what the Seymour ballads are, maybe SOD, TWAT, Prostitute? I think it was a round about way to say no epic ballads that take 5 years to make.

The thing about what Slash says is it's always about what he thinks Axl was trying to do. Like he set Axl up by saying let's see why you broke up the band. It seems at some point Axl came back for some Snakepit but it was too late. Axl has denied he wanted to change GNR that much, but with Slash gone he had no choice but to do something different. I don't think Axl really knew what he wanted to do. Slash left before they really worked together in a real way?

Did they have a producer at that point? How come there wasn't someone who could organize the team work? I guess thats when things started to fuck up, not having a person who would direct the project, like a Project Manager, you know? hehe...

TIL existed from 1993 or a bit before. I remember Axl talking about that song A LOT around the time Skin N' Bones tour ended... so of course, Slash heard it. And wanted out. LOL.

I think Axl had an idea of what he wanted to do but he didn't know how to defend his stuff in front of Slash. Probably didnt have any convincing demos and it was just blah blah... And Slash was running out of patience, getting fed up, so at the point Axl rejected the Snakepit thing, he must have gotten very offended and thats why he put it out in an album.

I guess Slash snapped too soon and when he realized he wanted to go back to GN'R, Axl had closed his door forever.

It sold ONLY ONE copy in Southamerica and they inmediately dissected the tape, put it up on YouTube for the "bros" to watch at the cyber-cafe

(will not tell to which channel it is uploaded, tho' )

..which they didn't because they were busy responding to your mom's messages on Whatsapp.

O_o my mom doesn't have wazzup...

So here's the dilemma, has interest/legitimacy in eyes of the mainstream fans (who still fill the arenas without caring that much about new GNR), has this endless touring cycle grown new fans of new GNR to the degree that a new record will sell better than it would've done a few years back when many of us perceived the momentum to have reached its peak, or did it indeed reach its zenith in 2011? Obviously albums take a big hit with free downloads these days but fans are more willing to travel to gigs since they cannot readily experience them thru youtube etc. I personally believe fans will flock to a band named GNR as long as Axl is leading it and whoever is in the band is competent, if he played half the set new GNR songs and half classic GNR songs but mayhap Axl doesn't really believe this, thus the hesitancy to release anything new.

His idea of making a newGN'R would have worked if he had consistenly released more albums with nuGNR than he did with old line-up.... That's his mistake....

ChinDem in 2008..... CD 2 in 2010... CD in 2012...

His whole life dilemma would be solved by now.

Tinyrobot for president!!!!

yaaay!!

Lol @ LuckyGirl

How come TB didn't think of having GNR playing in the closing ceremony?!!!

That would have been amazing!!!!! Imagine Paradise City or WTTJ, the anthems of sports, and Axl with Messi

They totally failed on not booking that.

Definitely not his lips.

Pic is tricky though.

I think stuff like TIL, Catcher, The Blues, TWAT, Prostitute were around as ideas. Axl writes on piano? But Slash didn't show interest in it.

By grunge, I mean production wise, Snakepit is looser, early Aerosmith to me sounds a bit like Nirvana. Look at Contraband, it's more of an Alternative record in parts but still has 80s hard rock.

Same with NIN, not the songs but the sound. Look at Better, the beat, the effects, the guitar. But it's also a GNR song.

But doing that isn't a walk in the park. It doesn't sound like an easy idea. So I can see Slash thinking wtf.

But Slash should really do the TIL solo and help on Axls material.

Duff played on Chi dem and Shacklers even live when he filled in for Tommy, but I can't see Slash writing Shacklers.

But I see a few of those Snakepit songs given a bit more of a punk metal edge and heavier lyrics from Axl, fitting with the ballads on Chi dem.

But there's more practical issues like Tobias and Slash not geling. On one hand Axl needs Tobias to do his stuff, on the other Slash can't play with him. Then they bring in Zakk Wylde! Good grief what a disaster.

I never heard Slash talking about Axl's material, except him complaining about the ballads and not wanting to do anything related ONCE AGAIN to Stephanie (which I totally support). I did hear him say he was eager to listen to CD to finally find out what Axl wanted, so that put me thinking how come Slash didn't hear Axl's ideas? I fail to understand why he would reject songs like Street Of Dreams, TWAT or Madagascar. They are beautiful and sound a lot like old GNR.

Yeah, Better is cool and Shackler's is the closest to NiN. I like them but I can see why Slash didn't.

Why did Axl need this Tobias guy? I swear I never heard of him in the days of glory...

Revenge? where are you getting that from? Axl turned down the songs and Slash decided to release them........ I don't see any revenge factor in that..........In fact Slash was still talking about doing the next Guns album even after he released the Snakepit material so he still and hoped there would be a next Guns album....your revenge theory is just that a theory and not based in fact as you have no idea what Slash was thinking at the time.........

And of course it matters if they weren't talking....this idea that Slash should have been the bigger man is BS....As is evident in his book he and the others had catered to Axl's moods long enough and he had reached his limit of patience which is why he quit......It is easy for you to say you would not have handled it that way as you did not have to put up with Axl's megalomania...if you would most likely be singing a different tune..........

Revenge on all those things Slash had to put up with you mentioned before!

Didn't you just say he was pissed off at Axl's many deeds? Bands name, having his guitar parts manipulated, Wylde and Huge forced into him?

Slash talking about doing the next GNR album after the Snakepit scandal is typical Slash being an asshole. How could he expect there would be an album if he said himself there was a huge fight after he informed Axl of what he did with the songs?

He knows Axl was going to be pissed off forever. He said that shit only to cover his ass. GNR was terminated at that point.

Besides, what the hell YOU know what Slash was thinking back then? You only contradict yourself. Slash wanted out and years later he wanted in? Makes no sense! When Slash decided to use his material for Snakepit that's when he packed his bags from GN'R. If he thought Axl was a dictator, Ayatollah and all that shit, why would he still be expecting a GNR album after he went solo?

Pffff, either you are a teenager or never worked in your life, dunno... You really believe Axl Rose is the only asshole out there in the world? Hahhahahahahaaha.....

I'm sorry man, but I've gone through a lot of shit with workmates, bosses and partners. I know what is like to deal with people like Axl.

What may be different in my world is the amount of money, fame and glory involved in this GNR story. For sure, those ingredients make everything much more sordid.

So here's the dilemma, has interest/legitimacy in eyes of the mainstream fans (who still fill the arenas without caring that much about new GNR), has this endless touring cycle grown new fans of new GNR to the degree that a new record will sell better than it would've done a few years back when many of us perceived the momentum to have reached its peak, or did it indeed reach its zenith in 2011? Obviously albums take a big hit with free downloads these days but fans are more willing to travel to gigs since they cannot readily experience them thru youtube etc. I personally believe fans will flock to a band named GNR as long as Axl is leading it and whoever is in the band is competent, if he played half the set new GNR songs and half classic GNR songs but mayhap Axl doesn't really believe this, thus the hesitancy to release anything new.

His idea of making a newGN'R would have worked if he had consistenly released more albums with nuGNR than he did with old line-up.... That's his mistake....

ChinDem in 2008..... CD 2 in 2010... CD in 2012...

His whole life dilemma would be solved by now.

I have no problem reading mate but your post does imply Axl was the victim for Slash taking the Snakepit material solo claiming it was "scandalous" ................

As far as the Snakepit material is concerned Axl and Duff both shot it down so why does Slash need to discuss with Axl what he does with it? he offered it up and they did not like so Axl should not have gotten so twisted when Slash did something with it........funny but Duff did not seem to care.............Considering they were barely talking back then why should he have to go back to Axl again and let him know he was going to use the material himself and have to deal with the bullshit Axl would have thrown at him?...considering Axl pushed Paul Huge and Zakk Wilde on Slash and the whole Sympathy overdub controversy without asking if he was cool with it I don't think Axl has any right to complain about not begin consulted.... pretty "scandalous" things Axl did if you ask me............

And since you are so big on ethics how ethical was the way Axl got the band name rights and then tried to make them all his employees?.........see you can't have it both ways mate........... you want people to be considerate to you have to return the favour......you know the old "do unto others" saying?..............

Axl ain't no victim and I never made him look like a victim or anything of the sort. You love using that word so you can victimize Slash as well... LOL

You ask why? well, in my opinion, when you come across a person who plays unfair and has a big ego, if you are any better than them, you must act as the bigger person. And that would be playing fair til the end and teach them a lesson.

Slash chose to do something that I call revenge. He must have been so fed up and infuriated he decided to do something that would piss Axl off forever and ever, probably as a response to all of those moments you mention when Axl took a shit on his bandmates face

I would never act in such way, even if on the other end, there is a person like Axl. But I repeat, that's me

Doesn't matter if they weren't talking or whatever. They still had a band, didn't they? Looks like no one really wanted to be there though, but you are never out of a relationship until you sit down with the other/s and call it quits.

So technically, Slash was in GN'R and the material he presented first was meant for GN'R.

Not sure if Axl knew or didn't know Slash was going solo....... but as you can see, lack of communication is retarded when you are in a team. Playing mad, acting upset and ignoring will only make things worse.

Exactly

Not sure if Axl is the victim, but depending on which quote you read Axl passed on or wasn't allowed to develop it or be involved. Axl maybe wanted to use some of it, use some parts, add his songs. Gilby says there were two sides. We are really trying to reach a definitive answer off loose quotes. What you can say is the writing process isn't how GNR had done it before. With just Slash bringing in the material.

I'm inclined to believe Axl passed on it first, then regretted. Called Slash to work on it but Slash had already made the Snakepit album. That's the main reason for why Axl hates Slash and feels betrayed. Slash made a smart move and Axl didn't see it coming.

I also don't understand why was Slash the only one with "material"... What was Axl doing? I know "This I Love" was around that time (and probably this is the song that made Slash puke, lol) but what other ChinDem songs were created in the years Slash was still around? Did he ever get to HEAR what Axl wanted or Axl just let time pass by, talking about the music, but not actually showing his bandmates what he truly wanted?

I think it's true that Axl owning the name really is the back drop to it. As Axl was probably acting like he was the band, Slash countered that with this is the album. It had a negative effect. It provided security to Axl in case of a disaster but made them feel undermined. I can't see the the upside other than maybe getting them to straighten up, they were in bad shape when they signed. What happened to both S & D makes me wonder what kind of condition they were in to really go and tour another record like the Sankepit even with Axl adding his songs. I feel like they dodged a bullet.

I agree with you on this one too... the problem is they accepted this deal and once you willingly put your sign on something you can't complain later

Axl was acting like he was the band by bringing songs like Don't Cry, November Rain and Estranged, making movie-videos of his relationship with Seymour, which obviously left the rest of the band looking like his employees... Slash must have heard TIL and be like "oooooh not agaaaaain".... LOL... I can totally relate to that. I hate TIL.

To me given what was going on in music, Slash's stuff kind of aligns more with the grunge bands, he can hold his head up with those guys, its not got a bunch of gay ballads on there. Whereas Axl as we know was into that but also NIN, hip hop, a wide variety. Plus Queen and Elton shaping stuff. So Axl was probably thinking about doing something a bit more like UYI with extra elements thrown, not a more grungey AFD type thing. But I think he would have worked the best of Slash into the record, especially rockers and working more like on Nov Rain/Estranged on SOD, TWAT, Catcher, TIL type material. But it's a longer process and I just think Slash didn't want to. He was sick of waiting for Axl, especially when he had material.

Hmmm... Slash and grunge? No way.... I think its like Axl described... southern rock sound, bluesy stuff, old hard-rock style...

I appreciate Axl trying to be more open, he was acting like a visionary, but he shouldn't have mentions NIN or Pearl Jam. NIN is unique and any other band trying to be NIN or playing NIN sound will definitely screw up... I can't imagine Axl singing Reznor's songs.... Maybe he was wrong with all that...

From Slash's book I got the feeling he wanted to get back on the road. He was like a fish out of water hanging around the house. He wasn't up for a long drawn out recording process and another huge GNR record and tour.

Certainly. Slash is a hands-on guy. He wanted to make a record and that's it... Axl wanted to make a masterpiece and take years to develope it....

It sold ONLY ONE copy in Southamerica and they inmediately dissected the tape, put it up on YouTube for the "bros" to watch at the cyber-cafe

(will not tell to which channel it is uploaded, tho' )

I am still stumped by some peoples attitude that Slash did Axl some great wrong by putting out the Snakepit material and eventually quitting the band.......it is as if they completely forget what a dick Axl was to work with and how he fought for the rights to the name of the band and wanted them all to become his employees. So Axl did this shit to them and they should have been more understanding of his feelings? Really?

SO if you started a company with someone as equal partners and at some point that person worked it so he was the sole owner of the company and wanted to make you an employee instead of an equal partner you would not be pissed off at that person?

Regarding the Snakepit material Axl passed on it so your claim they were working on it together is flawed...IMHO Slash had no obligation to ask Axl's permission to put this out on his own as he did..why do you feel Slash owed this to Axl?

Maybe I am the crazy one here but I just don't follow some peoples logic that Axl was the victim here..................

That entirely depends on the working ethics and general ethics of people.

I never said Axl was a victim, didn't you read or have problems interpreting? I highlighted how much I understand Slash being fed up with Axl's ways. But there are professional ways to end a work relationship and scandalous shitty ways to do it too.

Slash wrote stuff, showed it to Axl... why showed to Axl? Because it was meant to be for Guns N' Roses... duh!!

Yeah, Axl passed on it but apparently he regretted later and tried to work it out with Slash once again. That's when Slash surprised him with the news.... Not saying he had to "ask permission" to Axl to use his own material, but wasn't he still "in the company" he started with Axl?

Well, my ethics tell me that if I was in the same situation I would have ended it with Axl first by saying "listen dude, I can't wait anymore. I want to make music and I will use the material I showed you since you don't like it, don't want it. I do like it and I will make an album with it. Bye."

Is it so hard to be and act in a honest way?

As for rest, I think you didn't read half shit of what I wrote and decided to attack my POV from just by the glimpse of the first paragraph. Do yourself a favor and read again.

One more curiosity I realized about those quotes....

While Slash and the others talk about actual demos and songs shown to Axl, they never mention Axl's demos... Why is that? They only mention Axl TALKING about how he wanted GN'R to sound... abit like NIN, a bit like Pearl Jam... yeah, ok, we can all do that... but did Axl actually take the time to write and record demos to show his bandmates what he wanted to do?

It impresses me how everybody wanted to hear Chinese Democracy to finally understand what Axl wanted!!! What?? Are you saying he NEVER cared to defend his ideas by recording some shit for them to hear and understand what he wanted???

Some stuff on musical differences from Chinese Whispers:

"At one point he said he was gonna a solo project, then he decided his solo-project he could do with Guns, which I was like, after doing all those videos and this and that and the other, I was like: "No". [laughs] No, I don't wanna get involved in any kind of Stephanie Seymour ballads or any of that shit." (Slash, Canadian Radio, 04/20/95)

"On the first Snakepit-record I used some ideas which were really planned for the next GN'R-record, but Axl and I disagreed on the future direction of the band. I played Axl a demo with some of my ideas for songs, and all he said was: "I don't feel like playing this kind of music." I answered: "But this could be a excellent Gunner-record, hundred percent in GN'R style." He didn't really care 'cause he only wanted to play industrial and Pearl Jam-sounding crap." (Slash, 'Rock Hard' Magazine, 03/00)

"The Snakepit album could have been the new GNR album, but Axl didn't think it was good enough." (Matt, 1996)

"Kerrang!: How's the next GN'R album progressing?

Gilby: "There is no 'next GN'R album'!"

K!: EVER?!

G: "I don't know about ever. For now. We started working on one, and it got canned."

K!: How come?

G: Well, it's an Axl thing. He just wasn't into what we were doing, so he's kind of rethinking what he wants to do. He just kind of threw a wrench into everything that me, Slash and Matt had worked to. And then Duff came in. Duff and Axl have an idea what the album should be, and the rest of us have another idea." (Gilby, Kerrang, 05/24/94)

"What people don't know is, the [slash's] Snakepit album, that is the Guns N' Roses album. I just wouldn't do it. [...] Duff walked out on it, and I walked out on it, because I wasn't allowed to be any part of it. It's like, 'No, you do this, that's how it is.'" (Axl, MTV, 11/08/99)

"One of the points of contention between Slash and Axl was a batch of songs Slash brought to the table. Axl thought it was Southern rock - not Guns N’ Roses material. I backed Axl." (Duff, Autobiography)

"I didn’t walk till several months after having 3-4-hour phone conversations nearly every day with Slash, trying to reach a compromise. I was specifically told no lyrics, no melodies, no changes to anything and to sing what I was told or fuck off." (Axl, MyGNR, 12/14/08)

"And I didn't believe in it. I thought that there were riffs and parts and some ideas, I thought, that needed to be developed. I had no problem working on it, or working with it, but you know, as is, I think I'm with the public on that one." (Axl, MTV, 11/08/99)

"My last conversation with [Axl] was when he called me and was trying to explain what he wanted to do. And, basically, it was: I want to change the sound of the band. You know, I want to go more into a current direction. You know, I want to use, you know, more industrial type things. You know, he was really into bands like Jane's Addiction, Pearl Jam and Nine Inch Nails. And I just kinda laughed and said: You know, look - I want to play guitar in a loud version of The Rolling Stones, you know?" (Gilby, Spin, 07/99)

"All of a sudden, after the album was finished, [Axl] goes: "Remember those tapes I have. You know, I want to..." He didn't know we'd finished the record. And he goes: "This song, this song, this song, this song and this song." And I went: "Dude, we finished it already. It's gone". And he goes: "You couldn't have done an album in two weeks." I said: "Oh yeah. I can". You can do that. And it turned into a big fight." (Slash, Canadian Radio, 04/20/95)

"G: Was it true about Axl wanting to sue you over use of songs?

S: Yeah. At one point he didn't like the songs, and all of a sudden he wanted them and the [snakepit] record was already done. That set me off. What the f.ck is that? It turned into a bit of a fight." (Slash, Metal Edge, 10/95)

The solution to the puzzles lies clearly in those quotes. That's all we need to know. Now, it's clear Axl and Slash "broke up" due to musical differences in first place, the personal part is just a consequence of this.

As a GN'R fan from the first hour, I have to side a bit more with Axl than Slash. I think Axl knows how to make a radio hit better than Slash. But Slash didn't want any more November Rain or Estranged. I feel he wanted something closer to AFD (as in more rocker songs, less videos, only 1 catchy ballad).

Probably, at that point, Slash was fed up with Axl obsessing about Stephanie Seymour and when he heard "This I Love" he wanted to shoot his balls (i feel ya bro'). Here I agree with Slash: more songs and videos about Stephanie was insane. I understand him not wanting to be associated to such a psychotic obsessive thing. But he could have negotiated it better... actually, I guess he tried and Axl took it as "I was told no lyrics, no melodies, no change..."

How do you talk Axl out of not writing about the horrible moment he was going through? He's an artist. He was having trouble overcoming the break up with his girlfriend and he wanted to take it off his chest by singing songs about it. On the other hand, Slash, didn't want to hear about all that drama anymore. Which is understandable because there are already 3 songs/videos related to Seymour. Probably, Slash thought that if he had allowed Axl to keep writing/singing about his personal life, then GN'R would have actually become Axl's solo band. The solution here would have been Axl's solo album.

Now this is CLASSIC:

"All of a sudden, after the album was finished, [Axl] goes: "Remember those tapes I have. You know, I want to..." He didn't know we'd finished the record. And he goes: "This song, this song, this song, this song and this song." And I went: "Dude, we finished it already. It's gone". And he goes: "You couldn't have done an album in two weeks." I said: "Oh yeah. I can". You can do that. And it turned into a big fight." (Slash, Canadian Radio, 04/20/95)

Paints the essence of them both.... Axl telling Slash "You couldn't have done an album in two weeks".... Is there any doubt left on why Axl took 13 years to make CD?

And Slash replying: "Oh yeah, I can.".... Is there any doubt left on why Slash has produced so much music since he left GN'R?

While one takes decades to overcome relationships, solve problems and decide on what music he wants to make, the other one is a quick-solver, hands-on, too cool to care individual who quickly moves on and keeps living life. Axl got stuck in 1993 and even though he made Chinese Democracy, what came out of it was not worth taking all that time.

Now, to Axl's credit... I think ChinDem is way better than anything Slash has written so far and if Slash would have had more patience and been more flexible with Axl, a Chinese Democracy with Slash guitars on would have been a masterpiece.

From those quotes above it looks that there was one minute, one moment in history when Axl took a step back and was actually willing to work on Slash material, however Slash, being that quick-solver kind of guy and probably fed up with Axl, or misguided by his own demons, alcohol addiction or whatever, decided to record an album in two weeks and forever leave Axl behind. I guess that's the exact minute in GN'R history when Slash made the mistake of his life.

I can understand why Axl feels betrayed by Slash, who probably in a fit of madness or rage or frustration did what he did. It was wrong not to tell Axl he was going to do that, even if its material Slash wrote, if they were working on it for Guns N' Roses, it should have been discussed.