Len Cnut

Least he respects the legend Joey Ramone. Is there any connection in the song? Any lyrics seem to be about Joey?

I want to take a giant shit on this album just to watch Bono have a hissyfit.

Bono makes a point of respecting legends, didn't you know? If you're cool and there's a documentary about you you can bet your last Rolo that Bono is in it...sometimes even when he didn't have fuck all to do with the person, Joe Strummer, Morrissey, The Sex Pistols, The Ramones, the amount of times i've watched docs on bands or artists i like and Bono's gone 'well the *insert band name here* wrote the rulebook for U2'

Uh, terry loves....dick riding?

It really really really really really really is and the only reason i suspect some of you say it ain't is cuz you haven't encountered too many people that are. It ain't jus necessarily what you learn in class but the tools that the learning in class equip you with to go out and learn and understand in other areas. School is fuckin' invaluable, you don't come out of your mum knowing how to read, write, add up etc.

I'm suprised to see some of the people here say what they're saying, particularly when their intellect is clearly a construct of a classroom...and rightly so.

And what percentage of people come out of the classrooms displaying an admirable intellect? And what percentage come out good little servants? That's how it's intended. And that's the problem.

Yeah but see thats only the problem for boys like yourself (and even myself, not that I'm claiming to be anywhere near as educated as you) but the question is is school that important. I mean, you're getting really far ahead here, lets get back here a little to the fundamentals, you're kinda asking why schools aren't like a production line for clever little Socrateses...but that ain't schools job, thats your job with the tools that school is meant to equip you with i.e. being literate.

Is school important? Shit, does tarzan shit in the woods? I got a uncle whoose 60 now, worked in factories and as a porter and all this shit his whole life, can't read a lick, comes to me with like, letters with doctors appointments like 'hey, i got this letter, whats it say?', i have to speak to his bills people, his doctors, his mobile phone company, everything. Why, cuz the guy didn't go to school and he can't read and write. Lets talk about that shit first, the shit school actually does do for you instead of wondering why it isn't pumping out boil-in-the-bag Einsteins.

My mum can't read and write and like, being foreign it completely limits her and i see every way in which it does that, it breeds ignorance and ignorance breeds prejudice, like you can't communicate so you can't learn and when you can't learn you're prey to like, just attaching yourself to whatever 'way' you're presented with, no matter how ignorant...just cuz you don't know any better.

Now whether you go on to be an admirable intellect, thats on you and your own evolution and growth but without the requisite reading and writing skills you can't get to that position where you can grow. You wanna try (if you haven't) meeting some illiterate people, people that ain't never been to school, it is a sad fucking sight man.

And the less sharp those abilities are the less culturally aware you are and it renders you incapable of grasping shit, like socially, someones telling a joke with some kinda reference in it or like...trust me man, there is SOOOO much people take for granted about that shit and it's only when you spend time around people that are really incapable of doing that school taught shit that you realise the value of it.

Education is fucking empowering, it opens up the world before you, you earn money from it when you get a good job, yeah yeah it don't guarantee you a good job and all that but it puts you in a damn sight better position than some monkey whoose only got fuckin' like, 2 GCSEs or whatever.

It is so so so SO important, thats yours forever, when you get a degree or some shit, thats something you did, thats a fuckin' achievement, that shit gets you respect all over the world, when you're a person with education. In places like Asia it's like, tell em you got an MA or a Phd and even if you're broke as fuck you get BIG fuckin' respect...cuz they know you know shit, they treat you different, they serve you your food different, they come to you with their problems or for advice.

Education is basically the opposite of ignorance and it begins in a classroom with all the little kiddies going A, B, C, D, E, F, G. See the problem nowadays is everybody wants to rule the world, education makes you think, it makes you brain tick over and everybody looks at that and goes haha, you're learning to be a sheep....what, as in like a member of the human race? Well what the fuck did you expect, that you were being taught how to be Krang out of the fuckin' Ninja Turtles, like this brain thing that rules entire fuckin' planets?

I don't know what it is that yous want from education, what, that it make a genius out of you, or make you exceptional? Well sorry but thats on you...what it will do is teach you the words in the books with all the shit in em for you to take into your brain and process and then, using the power of said brain, doing what you can with them, whether that be expanding on what the human race has already got and taking it to the next evolutionary step...or just being wise enough to earn a living and put some food on the table.

Then you get all these kids pissing and moaning because their degree isn't like, a free ride to a job, where it's like 'OK, i done my degree, where's my job?' and then when it don't arrive in the post ten working days after having graduated then it's like 'Aw fuck education maaaan, what a waste all that was!' well I'm sorry but fuck that, if you thought getting a degree was like....a job wrapped up in a box with a bow on it to where you can just shut your brain off entirely and live on some kinda autopilot earning 60,000 a year for nothing well that ain't gonna happen education or no education, the only real difference is without an education they won't even give you the time of day and with one you'll at least be like, one out of the bunch they choose from. Its not like OK, wow, i got a degree, great, now i never have to show initiative again!

You gotta work per se in this life, one way or the other, education or no education, the difference is the guy without an education is doing dishes at some crummy Premier Inn somewhere with red blistery marks up his fuckin' forearm that gets varicose veins from standing up all fuckin' day and taking shit from some fuckin' supervisor with an attitude problem, waiting for the day where he's 60 something and they give him a gold plated watch and tell him to toddle off back to his council flat and wait for death and the guy with a fuckin' education lives in a nice house with comforts and drives a nice car and gets to be comfortable, earns money to take his family on holiday twice a year and retires somewhere in comfort, ate and drank good all his life and had the money that gave him the opportunity to explore whatever his interests are in life.

Now i know for some of you intellectual titans over here this whole thing of like a nice house and a nice car is ever so cheap and worldly and borgeousie or whatever but lets not kid ourselves boys and girls, cuz i don't know one fuckin' online album reviewer thats some kinda bohemian working class hero

Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying that that shit is the ONLY way to having a life, if you have a skill or a passion and you know for a fact that, one way or another, thats what you wanna do for the rest of your life then by all means go for that shit but careful you don't end up one of those people blaming the world for the fact that you took a wrong turn somewhere cuz that shit is REALLY on you, with an education you got a better shot at a lot more.

I'm me man, trust me

Somewhere William Blake weeps

Didn't Mike admit that he beat up his wife - Robin Givens?

A trained professional boxer smacking around his 110 pound wife......Ray Rice hits his wife and he is banned from the NFL.

Len, I get your point. And honestly NONE of us know if Mike was guilty or innocent in that case. All anybody on this board can do is speculate. But he had a trial and he was found guilty.

The man who was raised to knock-out people, who bit a guy's ear off in the ring, who threatened to kill another man's family and eat his children, who made a living by hurting people, who admitted to hitting his wife.........if you take your personal bias of him as a boxer away and just look at the entire picture, it isn't a stretch to think that the court system got it correct.

With that said - welcome back. The entire forum has missed you. I hope you'll post in the Thomas Meadows thread.

Nothing you've said here is contrary to what i was saying though man, we're saying more or less the same thing.

First of all, it was relevant to something..current political events in Toronto. The pending election for mayor in Toronto is in full campaign mode and it just so happens to involve perhaps the most notorious mayor on the planet at the moment and everything surrounding it is under a microscope.

The Ford bros had no qualms using the photo op in a cheap attempt to further bolster their sagging position in the polls.

Tyson blindly blurted out that Ford is the best mayor Toronto has ever had (which is so fucking ridiculous it's just numbing to even ponder the possibility of that as being factual, in any way).

If he was "merely in town to promote his one man show" then what was he doing at the Rob Ford circus?

Stick to promoting your one man show.

If someone of major celebrity status is going to tapdance over to Rob's office and endorse him for mayor, you have just entered the political arena of local politics and the frenzy surrounding this particular one, given Robbie's deplorable notoriety while holding the keys to a major metropolitan city.

If one is willing to endorse a man with the track record Rob has been publicly and admittedly busted for, and so much more lurking in the shadows, then you should be willing to answer some questions.

Which leads to that interview...the front cover of the Toronto Sun had a picture of Mike with a massively beaming Rob Ford and an article saying he endorses Rob Ford. So that little stunt is supposed to be overlooked...on a local live news channel..when that event is all that was being talked about in the city and surrounding area and on the internet in regards to events surrounding Rob Ford and the pending election.

Just...forget that Mike just endorsed him for mayor and only talk about his one man show?

Forget...the he just proclaimed him the greatest mayor Toronto ever had, and talk about his one man show?

Or..do you call his bluff and ask, if you think he's the greatest mayor this city ever had and you hope he wins the election, do you think it might not have been the smartest move, as a convicted rapist, to potentially damage his campaign by putting yourself in the spotlight with him...considering, you know, people were obviously going to call you out on that?

It was a valid question, and it took a lot of guts to ask it, and given the circumstances and people involved, it needed to be and deserved to be asked.

What would have really been unacceptable would be to let it all slide and be intimidated in to not asking it.

Given the fact that he was unwilling (or incapable) of pondering the question and forming a reasonably thought out answer, and given the way Tyson chose to conduct himself instaed on live television in response, I can see why he would endorse a man of questionable morals and beliefs such as Rob Ford.

And hey!!...Lenny's back!! Cheers you little fucker!

Thing is though, and this is sort of my point, an endorsement from Mike Tyson is kinda like an endorsement from Flava Flav (who i love too by the way!), it's like...a piss take basically It ain't some serious political guy whoose endorsement is gonna do the fuckin' candidate any good in any sense...and thats rape conviction aside. It's just Mike, doing the rounds, saying some offhand shit, kinda like when artists come to town and wear your jersey, don't grill him about it, it's clear he knows next to fuck all about Canadian politics, he was there is all good humour and just like...y'know, handing out platitudes, somewhat inflated though they were. There's really no point in asking that question, it's just asking for a slap, it's not like people were rushing out to vote for this guy now cuz Mike Tyson said he's A-OK.

One thing i will say though, he's kinda touchy about certain things that he's made a handsome living publicising of late, not really the best way to be when you're kinda propagating and earning off of it. Like his autobiography, huge fuckin' bestseller...but you know a massive chunk of the people who bought it probably don't even like it and just bought it to read stories of snorting coke on private jets while having prozzies lick his arse out for him...yet when its kinda picked up on in interviews he's seems kinda reticent to go into it, which seems a little incongruous. He flipped a little while before at another interviewer for bringing up certain things over here too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQUtuc0TUdw

Mikes a very strange case though. Mike was raised to be a killer, Mike was indoctrinated by Cus D'amato from a very young age to believe that he was a superior human being, having been an emotionally disturbed street kid...then blown up...then adored by the world for being that brutal savage...and then shot down for those very same things. Weird. And i really do mean indoctrinated, Tyson was a borderline illiterate street kid whoose trainer used to sit him down at age 14 and explain to him about Nietschze and superman theory and how he was the embodiment of that and it's like, OK, thats the wrooooooong fuckin' persons head to be filling with that shit

Tyson is hated for the exact same things he is loved for.

Kanye West is the living embodiment of what is wrong with hip hop, a poor derivative producer, a mediocre rapper and a tumbling moron of a personality, the guys just embarassing, just absolutely awful, people like him are the slow ruin of hip hop, the guys a fuckin' male diva, makes my fucking teeth itch.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Imo. The College Dropout and Late Registration are fuckin' great.

Next you have the pretty fuckin' good shit: Graduation, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, and Yeezus. Kanye is the real deal. He makes good music. He's not as great as he thinks he is, but he's no slouch. I don't even listen to him that much, but I'm not deaf.

I've heard the college dropout annnnnnnnd Yeezus i think it was and they were just dreadful. Other shit i've heard in passing plus a lot of work he did for other folks. See the thing with Kanye is everyone wets their pants over 'it's different, it's different, it's different' well first of all no it's not, not really very different and, and this is the key thing, it's shit. By which i mean it just doesn't sound good. Innovating is all well and good but in and of itself it is not something to be applauded, it's got to have something about it first.

And as a person he's just this horrible odious personality. First of all he thinks he's the shit when quite frankly I could reel off names of hip hop producers better than him...with ease. He's all fuckin' mouth quite frankly. That last album was the most tinny hollow sounding sub-electro pop crap I have ever heard.

And this ain't just hating on modern rap, i think Kendricks alright, J Cole, this dude Mags put me onto rhymes quite well, Kanye is just really really poor and it's indicative of the poor state hip hop is in that he's like, somewhere round the top of the table right now.

And, to go back to the innovative thing, honestly, somebody explain that one to me please. And I'm serious here, thats a request, explain to me how Kanye is innovative. Substantially innovative here. Quite frankly if hip hop had half the nuts it had 15 to 20 years ago people like that would be getting chased out of the game, same goes for a few rappers actually, Rick Ross is another example.

Well i bet Islamist terrorists around the world are just pooing their pants at the prospect of facing the wrath of this saggy grey nipple in a stetson, i bet Al Qaeda are disbanding in fear as we speak

Kanye West is the living embodiment of what is wrong with hip hop, a poor derivative producer, a mediocre rapper and a tumbling moron of a personality, the guys just embarassing, just absolutely awful, people like him are the slow ruin of hip hop, the guys a fuckin' male diva, makes my fucking teeth itch.

Awful day in human history..

I don't care if some people think he's innocent, he is convicted of that crime.

Right, so you don't care if people think he's innocent because he is convicted and that, to you, has a greater weight than a potentially contrary truth? Well that says a lot, to be honest.

So many people defend him because as long as you go to prison, that's apparently enough.

So now you know why people defend him? Ignoring all the actual pertinent points i bought up about the case, a case which, so far, you've demonstrated zero knowledge about the specifics of...but you've made your mind up anyway? Again, this is kinda reflective of a degree of prejudice on your part.

Never mind the victim who has to see his face if she turns on a TV or whatever else, he went to jail for a couple of years and is completely reformed!

How about the wrongly convicted man that has to explain to his daughter why people say his Daddy raped some girl? How about doing 3 years inside surrounded by murderers and cutthroat, people calling you a tree jumper and all of this shit? How about having to explain yourself over and over and over and over again on national TV? Seriously, consider this shit for a moment, maybe he was innocent? Why do you believe, without any knowledge of the case demonstrated so far with such certainty that he is guilty?

How about being Mike Tyson and, in being so, being effectively guilty before you even step in a courtroom because of what you do for a living and who you are and where you come from?

Quite frankly your prejudice here showed right off the bat where you immediately leapt on my daring to mention certain incidental circumstantial aspects of the case as 'OH SO THAT MAKES HER GUILTY DOES IT?!?!', having totally ignored the fact that i had clearly stated that those things in and of themselves were not conclusive...but then ignored the aspects that i said were conclusive? I mean if you're so sure of the mans guilt why be so selective in your response to my post?

How about the fact that she had a history of it and this evidence was withheld, why did you not mention that? Look it up cuz the shit is fact. You're making a really really concrete judgement about a person and a case that you appear to not know a great deal about and really it's indicative of EXACTLY the problem that i was pointing out, that he is guilty to people by default, based on who he is, THATS the real reason so many people just totally ignore any and every indicator of Mikes innocence, because it suits people, a lot of different types of people, to think that way. It suits their world view that the big bad boxer from the gutter is a big fuckin' beast and a rapist and the poor little waif like girls life was shattered but unfortunately for people of that opinion, here in the real world, anyone can be a cunt, whether they be heavyweight champion of the world of a contestant in Miss Black Teen America and i really think it would benefit you to reserve judgement about this kinda thing until you've looked into it a little.

Tell me, do you even know the girls name...cuz you haven't mentioned it so far, not that you're obliged to or anything. Its funny also how you are willing to accept the letter of the law on the one hand that states that when a mans convicted he is guilty, full stop but then not accept the same standards of law that say that when a man has served his sentence he has served his debt to society, kind of a double standard there if you don't mind my saying.

It really really really really really really is and the only reason i suspect some of you say it ain't is cuz you haven't encountered too many people that are. It ain't jus necessarily what you learn in class but the tools that the learning in class equip you with to go out and learn and understand in other areas. School is fuckin' invaluable, you don't come out of your mum knowing how to read, write, add up etc.

I'm suprised to see some of the people here say what they're saying, particularly when their intellect is clearly a construct of a classroom...and rightly so.

Mr. Ford's personal opinions don't count when it comes to his campaign, and his endorsements are a part of keeping good PR.

Right welll then give Mr Ford the needle about it.

Whether or not you want to believe Tyson is guilty is irrelevant, as he is convicted of that crime and that reflects on Ford's campaign.

But it's not though because a very wide cross section of people believe Mike to've been innocent in that instance and this is reflected in the fact that so many people accept him in the way they do, in the public eye...and this is why so many people agree that this interviewer was behaving unreasonably.

Anyone publicly endorsing Ford will have the same treatment of their past being dug into, it just so happens that Tyson is one of those people.

From where i was sitting in looked to me that it was the interviewer getting the treatment, not Mike and y'know they should've stuck it out a bit, i think it might've got a bit interesting if the ball had rolled a little further

DNA off the victims shawl? What, prostitutes? So some old shawl with about 57 varieties of Ye Olde spunk all over em?

He's lucky Iron Mike didn't do a McNeeley on him

I rate McNeeley y'know, bless him, least he fuckin' went for it, better than Bruce Seldon

Yeah but Mike aint in politics, Ford is, its not like Mikes running for office, it was a cheap shot and, yknow, everyone aint Paris Hilton to run off set, some people'll give you what you asked for right back.

But he's endorsing Ford. It's the same reason charities turned down the Reddit donations (that stemmed from the nude-pictures situation), if they're willing to work with or accept help from something as gross as that, what does it say about them?

What does it say about Ford and his campaign that he's working with a convicted rapist? Completely reasonable in the field of politics.

Perhaps Mr Ford doesn't think that he is guilty. I mean lots of people are found to be innocent after the fact by the same courts of law that mistakenly convict them, they go on to do socio-political type work, people like Gerry Conlon etc. Anyway, you know as well as i do that this is Mike just doing the rounds, he's in Canada and he's shaking a few hands, thats the extent of it, no one sees this as Mike throwing his hat into the Canadian political arena.

Mike Tyson's rape conviction was a bunch of he said, she said back when he was king of the world surrounded by leaches and people who didn't have his best interest in mind and people more than willing to take advantage of him. This woman could have been no different. Was he a saint? Absolutely not but that was 22 years ago. Has Tyson ever admitted to committing that rape? I'm not saying he didn't but given the circumstances and lack of any evidence other than what she said it's hard to say really.

The fact remains that topic had nothing to do with anything at this point and Tyson was there to promote something else not stand trial for something that took place 22 years ago. The interviewer was way out of line and he's lucky he didn't get knocked the fuck out really.

The fact that it was 21 years ago changes things? I think not.

Actually, looking at the situation I think it was called for. Mike is endorsing a politician, in politics, peoples pasts get brought up all the time. Especially when it's something shady or criminal to be found. Mike's conviction for raping someone is the type of thing that would be brought up for anyone else saying "vote for this guy".

I'm not talking about him making youthful mistakes either, he was a fully-grown adult with a mind of his own who chose to violate another human being.

Yeah but Mike aint in politics, Ford is, its not like Mikes running for office, it was a cheap shot and, yknow, everyone aint Paris Hilton to run off set, some people'll give you what you asked for right back.

So she asked for it? Him violating her is all her fault? Nice victim blaming there.

I suppose it's the same when a woman wears a short skirt or low-cut top, their actions and clothes negate their actual words, right?

Yeah but i said none of that was conclusive or damning evidence but what was a slightly stronger indication was that she had a history of this shit, thats not victim blaming at all, is it?

It's nice having Scotland as part of the...collective but look, it's their land, they want Independence, God love em, i don't begrudge any man his right to be free and self govern, it's up to them and if they wanna be seperate then they should be allowed to be so and moreover, helped along the way for as far as they want to be helped, whatever else exists between Anglo-Scotish relations a lot of good men and women served the name of Great Britain very well and that should be remembered and respected.

Convicted and guilty ain't the same thing. Mike Tyson is innocent as fuck in that rape case, it's as clear as day. I have lots of reasons for thinking this and none of them i suppose is that fuckin' conclusive as a case in his defence but look at the reality, some bird goes up to his room at 3am, I'm not being funny but what the fuck girl goes up to a blokes hotel room in the wee hours not thinking 'i'm on for a bit here'. Again, on it's own not really damning. They found her drawers in the fuckin' bathroom bin, again, not damning evidence. What is slightly damning is the fact that there was evidence in this case of her accusing other lads around her town of this shit back in Indianapolis, evidence that was, oddly enough, withheld.

Mike Tyson is a fuckin' wrong un, he'd be the first to admit that, this geezer used to fuckin' rob grannys when he was 13, he admitted to this shit, following grannys into elevators under the guise of helping em with their shopping, bashing em in the head and robbing their fuckin' pocketbooks. Point being, he's not afraid to admit it when he's done something bad...or seriously fucking bad. Yet this he's denied. Throughout the case, all afterwards and to this fuckin' day. Mike Tyson is a lot of things...and some of them quite bad...but a rapist? Not that night, i don't think.

And then some shitbag on a fuckin' telly show starts giving him the fuckin' needle, he's lucky that ain't Mike from the fuckin' TNT Tubbs era, he would've put his fuckin' lights out. Mikes problem is he doesn't help himself with comments like 'no i didn't fuck that bitch, i didn't rape her but i wish i did now, i wish i raped her and her momma!'.

Also, the case was something of a pisstake, Don King gets this fuckin' moron of an attourney Vincent Fuller, this guy whoose racket is corporate law, he stands up, Mike in the dock, big Mike, old Mike, in training Mike, bulging out of his fuckin' suit, gold teeth, cold staring old school Mike and this is his line of defence, get on this 'Mikes like that with everybody, she shoulda known better!', i mean WHAT...THE...FUCK kinda defence is that?!?! And Mike, again, doesn't help himself, snickering when they make comments about him being a big beast and a knockout artist and a man thats paid to hurt people, i mean imagine you're part of the 12 person jury consisting of James Garner and The Golden Girls, what the fuck are you gonna think, this big fuckin' black monster, even if you didn't think he was guilty you'd want him fuckin' put inside.

Mike got fuckin' rail-roaded and he was too fuckin' dizzy to know it, so they send him to jail, millions upon millions in the bank, send fuckin' Larry King in there to ask him stupid questions every few months like 'so uh, Mike, whats it like in prison?' It's like Butlins y'fuckin' plank, what do you think it's like, it's prison! Is it any wonder that he gets the hump about this shit? I know I would. Getting sent down like that was one of the singlemost damaging things that happened to Mike and it really explains a lot of his behaviour afterwards, it's that old thing man, when you can't beat em in the ring you take em in court, they done it to Jack Johnson, they done it to Muhammad Ali and they done it to Mike. Shame.

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