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    It's Five O'Clock Somewhere vs. Chinese Democracy

    in CIVIL WAR

    Posted

    Neither, they're equally shit because each one is weighted too heavily in the direction that one or the other prefers, instead of striking a perfect balance between the two, there's a place for ballads, there's a place for innovation, there's a place for bluesy, there's a place for balls to the wall rock n roll all under the umbrella of GnR.

    But neither vision is in the least better than the other, they're just drab and boring because it becomes one dimensional, just like any number of one dimensional bands, the way that shit would work is for Arsehole 1 and Arsehole 2 to get in the same room and work out how Arsehole 1 can fit around Arsehole 2's thing and how Arsehole 2 can fit around Arsehole 1's thing...if you get my meaning :lol:

    Whats actually quite sad is that if you listen to the two perspectives there's not actually a lot of difference in what each party expects/percieves as what GnR should be like. For all that prattling on that we hear on this forum about Chi Dem being out there and innovative it's really not, at all...it just seems like...a logical progression from The Illusions, with all the attendant musical shit therein, just updated a bit, whereas 5 O Clock Somewhere just sounds like Appetite type music without the songwriting prowess of Izzy and Axl, what Izzy offered rhthymically and Stevies swing. Which makes it all the sadder that these wankers couldn't get over themselves and get in a room and make music together, they must be SERIOUSLY fuckin' unreasonable people if they couldn't find a middle ground between their two fuckin' ways, I mean it's not exactly like Frank Zappa and Britney Spears trying to find musical common ground is it?

    That's the thing though. I don't think Chinese D is this complex record - it's just layers of beeps and shit acting complex - but, musically it really doesn't have anything to do with Guns N' Roses to me. I mean at least between Appetite and the UYIs, you can see the commonalities in the Stones and Aerosmith and Punk inspiration between the three records. They're different but similar approaches. Whereas with CD, even the point from which Axl is approaching the music is different. AFD - UYIs are at the end of the day retro classic rock records. They weren't really anything new or inventive, they were just continuations of the '70s Blues Rock thing revamped for the 80s/90s. But CD is this mix of industrial and nu-metal inspired tracks and Queen-esque ballads. Whereas IFOCS is just a dirty (if cheap) hard rock record. It's not that dissimilar to TSI or the heavier UYI tracks...I think there's enough of a musical divide between Slash and Axl's way of doing things (Slash - fast, dirty, rocking; Axl - layers and layers, tinkering, new genres) that it's obvious to see why they woke up.

    To a guy like Slash, who goes in, writes a record, records his parts and that's it, Axl's approach - writing, pondering over, recording, re-recording, layering in 10 guitar tracks, chopping up bits and pieces of guitar parts to make a solo - would probably drive him back to drinking just to cope. And I doubt he'd be down for making his guitar sound crunchy like a Korn record.

    Civil War question...

    in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS

    Posted

    Do you mean "Peace could last forever" cause I don't hear anyone saying "peace is closer".

    He's talking about the spoken word part where Axl says "We practice selective annihilation of mayors and government officials, for example, to create a vacuum, then we fill that vacuum. As popular war advances, peace is closer."

    It's Five O'Clock Somewhere vs. Chinese Democracy

    in CIVIL WAR

    Posted

    As some of you guys may know, It's Five O'Clock Somewhere was written by Slash, Gilby and Matt, with help from Duff and Dizzy and the tapes were brought to Axl sometime in 1994 as the next GN'R album. Axl passed on the material, calling it "Southern Rock", and Duff backed him at the time. Slash, Gilby, Matt and Dizzy would go on and have Eric Dover sing on and add lyrics to the songs and have Mike Inez play bass. Later, Axl wanted to work on 4 of the songs but they were already done and not available anymore. IFOS as such was essentially Slash's vision of what the next GN'R record should've been in the mid '90s

    Chinese Democracy, as we know, was Axl's vision of what a GN'R record should be in the late '90s/early 00s.

    As such, both albums represent two competing ideas for what Guns' future should've sounded like. The question is, whose vision was better?

    Slash comments on talking with Axl again - "It was probably way over due. It's very cool."

    in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS

    Posted

    If you want another album, Izzy is necessary.

    I think you're right. They either gotta get Izzy or Paul Huge. I'd like to see a 95 style reunion.
    I really don't know if you're being sarcastic or drunk as fuck all the time.

    Your posts are like Wasted's but two times that weird. Anyway I'm assuming you're just trolling.

    What the fuck has Paul Huge to do with a reunion?

    He's basically the reason the old band broke up and you consider him to be part of the reunion.

    Man, even Pitman, the most unnecessary bandmember ever in music's history, was probably a bigger part of Guns and had more input in Guns' material than Huge will ever have.

    Stop trolling please.

    If you take a gander at the Chinese Democracy booklet you will see that Paul has far more writing credits than Chris.

    To be honest, the last time I had a look in the booklet of CD was in 2008 and I don't even care. Do you realky start to argue with me if Paul Huge should be part of a reunion or not?

    TWAT:

    Rose, Tobias, Reed

    IRS:

    Rose, Tobias, Reed

    Catcher in the Rye:

    Rose, Tobias

    Prostitue:

    Rose, Tobias

    Oh My God:

    Rose, Tobias, Reed

    Back Off Bitch:

    Tobias, Rose

    Shadow of Your Love:

    Rose, Stradlin, Tobias

    vs.

    If The World:

    Rose, Pitman

    Madagascar:

    Rose, Pitman

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    Are the Use Your Illusion albums underrated?

    in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS

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    I think the production is holding them back significantly.

    A remastered anniversary edition of the UYI's is like... definitely one of the GNR holy grails.... up there with a reunion, for me at least.

    Personally I would love to hear the raw mixes before Axl got his hands on them that Slash claims are killer.

    Not this one....

    Slash claimed those tapes were erased or lost so we will most likely never hear them :(

    This is from the UYI Outtakes

    Dude, that's about as close as one would get to a 'raw mix', as that is a raw mix. It's not an outtake. It's a raw mix of a song which appeared on the UYIs.

    I REALLY doubt the songs ever sounded much different from that. Even in the Mates Rehearsal, which is as raw as it can possibly get, the songs sound pretty much the same.

    When Slash says "raw mixes" I think he means lacking things like odd sound effects or vocal layers.

    Here's another 'rawer' version of a UYI song. Axl's advanced copy, meaning his copy of the track before final mix.

    Are the Use Your Illusion albums underrated?

    in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS

    Posted

    I think the production is holding them back significantly.

    A remastered anniversary edition of the UYI's is like... definitely one of the GNR holy grails.... up there with a reunion, for me at least.

    You're asking for a remix, not a remaster.

    A drier mix would be interesting indeed, without that big drum sound and less vocal and guitar layers. I'd buy that.

    Yeah I didn't really like the "tripple vocal harmony" technique that Axl used where he sang in his normal voice, high voice, and that really strange low voice. You can especially hear it on Locomotive and it's obnoxious. That's why I've always preferred the live version where he just sings it high. It's very raw and cool.

    A more "raw" mix would've probably helped these records out in the grand scheme of things

    The albums need more than a remix. The songs all need to be a little faster and a little looser. Take Bad Obsession, imagine that played a little looser and with less precision and no harmonica.

    Are the Use Your Illusion albums underrated?

    in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS

    Posted

    Combining the two disks into one doesn't really make it a fair comparison. That's like saying you think the Packers are going to win the Super Bowl. But if you combined the Patriots and Seahawks and just took the best players off each team to make one team - then they would beat the packers.

    And albums aren't overrated or underrated. They are what they are. They produced what they produced.

    An album is what it is.

    When people say albums are under or overrated what they really mean is that the general music population didn't agree with their own personal like or dislike of an album.

    But aren't the two discs one album?
    You can buy them separately.

    But even if you could combine them it still isn't fair.

    Anytime you take 32 songs from a favorite band you can take the 15 best and usually come up with a better combination than just choosing from a one album choice.

    I think a combined Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets greatest hits combo is better than any one lone Metallica album.

    We get it. You don't like the UYI albums. Adler and Mullets ftw.

    Spinal Tap > NuGNR

    in CIVIL WAR

    Posted

    This is one of the most ridiculous threads ever. I love Spinal Tap and the film is one of my all-time favorite films, but to say they're better than any incarnation of GN'R is hysterical.

    And for the record, they released one amazing album, one mediocre album, and one that was literally just note-for-note re-recordings of older songs.

    The irony is though, the actual joke-band was run less shitty than the current iteration of GN'R run by the Lebeis clan.

    Spinal Tap > NuGNR

    in CIVIL WAR

    Posted

    Spinal Tap released two great albums, actually had an awesome tour in 1992, and didn't suffer from Mickey Mouse vocals, sub-bass or 20,000 overdubs. NuGNR had the most forgettable album of all time, the worst management in music history and Stormtrooper helmets.

    Your memories of purchasing the Use Your Illusion albums in 1991-24 years ago today!

    in 2013

    Posted

    I'm not sure if the new Tower documentary is going to have the footage from the UYI release, I'm hoping so.

    The video WC had taken down wasn't from Tower, it was from some place called DJ's Record Shop in Wisconsin. It was cooler cause these weren't LA fans buying records but just regular middle American kids lining up at midnight in their obscure little town, showing just how far reaching Guns' popularity was in 1991; even kids in bumfuck middle America were eager for the UYIs.

    "Monday was a good night to be a teen-age heavy-metal fan in New York City.

    At midnight 1,500 people, most of them young, white and male, were lined up outside Tower Records in Greenwich Village. That was the bewitching hour when the two long-awaited new albums by Guns 'n' Roses, "Use Your Illusions I" and "Use Your Illusions II," went on sale across the country.
    But those who showed up at the downtown Tower and three other record stores in Manhattan witnessed a second special event. In what might be described as a mild publicity coup, Epic Records cashed in on the presale hoopla that Geffen Records had created for Guns 'n' Roses by sending Ozzy Osbourne, its own heavy-metal heavyweight, to the two HMV and two Tower stores to promote his new album, "Don't Blame Me."
    "We're here to see Ozzy and shake his hand and buy the Guns 'n' Roses albums," said 19-year-old Russ Porcino of Staten Island. "You're getting two things for one."
    Anyone imagining that the demand was a product of a publicity agent's hyperactive mind, however, had only to stand in the line outside the downtown Tower store. For John Gainfort, 27, of Manhattan, who was there with a friend, Mike Torres, Guns 'n' Roses "is the greatest."
    "Just about everybody I know is waiting to get the record," he said. "It may be a bit hyped, in that the band took so long to release the record, but it's worth the wait."
    Inside the store, fans attacked boxes of the albums, grabbing both volumes. As soon as a photographer or television camera came close, buyers would jump up and shout, holding the albums up in the air, creating perfect photo opportunities and showing their tribal colors.
    By 2 A.M., 621 copies of the "Use Your Illusions" compact disk and 224 cassettes had been sold in the downtown Tower store. (The store had no LP's available.) "I didn't think Guns 'n' Roses would do so well," said Mathew Koenig, a regional manager for Tower. "It's the Village, and the Village isn't Guns 'n' Roses territory."
    Mr. Osbourne, publicity coup or not, didn't break 100, CD's and tapes combined, at the store. 2 hours, 500,000 Sales
    The "Use Your Illusions" CD's sold 500,000 copies nationwide in the first two hours it was on sale, said a Geffen spokesman. Because these sales are coming from the core Guns 'n' Roses audience, it is hard to predict the albums' eventual total sales. But most industry figures interviewed said the CD's have a chance to hit the level of sales achieved by blockbuster albums like Michael Jackson's "Thriller" and Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the U.S.A." And importantly, they, along with a slew of other big records soon to be released, should help the industry recover frpm its current recession.
    "It's just amazing; it's just incredible," said Ed Rosenblatt, president of Geffen. "We're sitting on top of the world.
    The Camelot chain, based in Canton, Ohio, which had ordered a quarter of a million copies, sold 10,000 copies in the early hours Tuesday at the seven stores it opened at midnight. A spokesman for the chain predicted it would sell 100,000 copies of "Use Your Illusions" in the first week.
    Dick Odette, vice president for purchasing for the Minneapolis-based Musicland chain, said: "We opened around 70 stores on Monday night. We had ordered a little shy of a half-million copies, and this is the biggest single release we've ever had. The demand is real. It feels real good." Too Wild for K Mart
    Two of the largest sales outlets for rock records, K Mart and Wal-Mart, refused to carry the Guns 'n' Roses albums. Both chains are known for not selling any records that might be considered controversial or offensive. Guns 'n' Roses, in turn, parodies the language of warning stickers placed on records by the Recording Industry Association of America. The "Use Your Illusions" albums carry stickers that say, "This album contains language which some listeners may find objectionable," followed by an expletive.
    Eddie Gilreath, the head of sales at Geffen, was quoted in Billboard this week as saying the company could have shipped a million more copies had the two chains decided to sell the album.
    "I think the demand is so high for the record that kids walking into a K Mart looking for the record will just go somewhere else," Mr. Rosenblatt said. "At some point it will hurt, in that parents looking for a birthday or Christmas present may not buy it. But the stores have a great deal more to lose than we do as a record company. It's the image of the band that gets them, and they're frightened."

    Your memories of purchasing the Use Your Illusion albums in 1991-24 years ago today!

    in 2013

    Posted

    There was a really fucking cool video of the midnight release on youtube, it was shot by a fan and was pretty long and showed the longboxes and just regular American fans in denim, leather and mullets buying the records. They had the option of CD or tape cassette and by the time the video was shot (only a bit after midnight), most of the CDs were sold out already. Warchild had it taken down, but some images from the video survive:

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    Star Wars-The Force Awakens Thread (Contains Spoilers)

    in SEEN THAT MOVIE TOO

    Posted

    There's a rumor concerning VIII that

    Christiansen is training to appear.

    Exclusively as a force ghost I assume?

    That was my initial thought, but then the article I read pointed out that he wouldn't need "training" to play a Force Ghost.

    They also kept stressing that it was just a rumor, so who knows what's up.

    Maybe his scene would be similar to the scene in Empire where Luke, while training, "fights" Vader - the scene where Vader's helmet explodes only to see Luke's face within?

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