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4 minutes ago, killuridols said:

It got lost in the sea of questions and desperation, but a couple of us noticed it as well.

That's bad news I guess. Marc has incredible footage from that era and he was one of the first people who believed and supported this band.

😔

I would guess it has something to do with the interview he did with the Daily Mail. Just a guess but probably a good one.

1 hour ago, Amir said:

Ouch. :/

Yeah, seems like a lot of people missed or ignored that. Pretty harsh.

Nice interview. Jimmy is a great bass player and seems like a cool guy and I agree the Ju Ju Hounds thing is sad. I know Charlie was pretty upset about that too. I love Izzy but it's not right what he did leaving those guys in the lurch like that.  

1 hour ago, RONIN said:

 It would have been so much easier for him to justify that song if he had just said that he's playing a character in it and giving a simplistic tongue-in-cheek pisstake of a midwestern boy adjusting to life in the big city. That's all he had to say. 

 Honestly that is the one thing I can appreciate in all this. That he didn't do that. Yes it would have been easier for him to say it was all a character but it would't have been true. It's not a character. It's him.

What they should have done is just not include any Lies stuff at all. This is supposed to be the Appetite box.

Goddamn that My Michelle was  truly awful. 

I know their media blackout or whatever is nothing new, but isn't it kind of weird to put something like this out and have nothing  to say about it?  I mean, letting the tour speak for itself is one thing, but to be selling a one thousand dollar box set and have nothing to say about what's on it, why it's good. why anyone should care...etc. Just a couple of instagram posts that don't really say anything.  Just basically 'here's a thing. buy it'.  I can't tell if it's arrogant or weirdly detached or both. 

3 hours ago, Modano09 said:

The three guys who own the band and managed the band for 30 years are getting a higher percentage of the tour they put the work into making happen than the guy who quit the band 30 years ago and had nothing to do with any of it since would have gotten.  Does that really sound unreasonable?

Okay but the situation was unacceptable to him so he didn't take part. What's wrong with that? People are knocking him for not putting aside his concerns for one show. Why should he? 

14 minutes ago, Gnrcane said:

If he would have made the one line "Police and hustlers" instead of using the n-word, the song would have been fine and maybe even gotten a single release.

The "immigrants and f****s, they make no sense to me" line isn't really anything that would have been that controversial in 1988.  Sure it was a "gay slur" but it wasn't looked at anything like the n-word back then.  Like I said earlier, Dire Straits used the word more times in a song that was a hit single.  In that verse he was describing his feelings that they "make no sense to him" upon observation when he arrived from a small town into a big city filled with both immigrants and gays.

Had Axl changed one word in the whole song, history would be different and it would probably be included in the box set.

The 'f' word wan't okay back then but it wan't just the word. It was the thing about 'spread some fucking disease.'

9 minutes ago, Kwick1 said:

I find it interesting that so many on this forum are so critical of OIAM. Many of you were toddlers when it was released and don't reside in the US. It was different when the song was written and remember that Lies was released with a warning on the LP. GnR was the most dangerous band in the world and OIAM fit perfectly into that time period for GnR. Much of the Axl image was media created and OIMA went far in creating the Axl character.  It's part of GnR history whether or not they today are proud of that. 

 

I was 21 at the time and I was in the US. I thought the song sucked at that time. Not just now. Then.

56 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

It doesn't matter if he didn't write the lyrics in this case. He justified the lyrics of the song he played on. It doesn't have to do with responsibility, but with the hypocricy of the justification/argument.

That's whataboutisim. Vernon Reid being a hypocrite or not is irrelevant to the issue of whether he was right about Axl. He was.

16 minutes ago, scooby845 said:

I am all behind Izzy in this situation, but you seriously need to open your eyes and understand that the only thing stopping AFD5 reunion from happening was HIM!

I mean - he has joined Axl and nuGNR on multiple occasions throughout the years and he couldn't swallow his pride for one-off performance like Adler and satisfy all the fans.

Looking at the bigger picture, in all honesty - AFD5 reunion was never bound to happen in a long term due to Steven's injury. 

How hard could have it been to be on the stage for 10 minutes (My Michelle - Out Ta Get Me)?!?!

So there you go... It's all crystal clear that Izzy precluded it from happening!

Why should he accept being reduced to a walk-on guest spot in the band he founded?   What he did with Nu-GnR is irrelevant. It's totally different situation.

15 minutes ago, killuridols said:

 

Duff's recent comments on it (from 2010 actually) are sort of pathetic... You can find them in that article too.

They're totally pathetic. That's from his Seattle Weekly column and I remember leaving a comment there at the time calling him out for lying. And he absolutely was lying there. He knows full well the lyrics weren't a 'third person slant on how fucked up America was in the 80s'.  He knows because Axl said in multiple interview that they were not  that, that they represented his own personal experience/views at the time. It even says that on the fucking cover of Lies!  Are we to believe Duff McKagan has never read the cover of Lies?

The backing vocal are enhanced or brought up in the mix... but I wouldn't say they're improved.  They're way too prominent now in my opinion. 

Sad that people have to go to Slash's girlfriend to ask a question about this. What other band would put out a thousand dollar box set and say nothing about it?

34 minutes ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

I bet the sound quality on boots is SO much better here though. Like that Maquee Rosie. I'm interested in that for sure.

That's been officially released before though, you could probably still find it if you wanted to.

I think the vocal is vintage but I agree it sounds like there's some new guitar on there.

4 minutes ago, Tucknroll said:

I hate that they went the gene simmons route. Actually his vault is much better if you like him. I'm just disgusted today with gnr. They've forgotten where they came from. And then to not have the balls to add one in a million! Axl used to have a giant set but not so much now

His vault really is much better because as wildly overpriced as it is, at least there's tons of previously unheard stuff in it. What does this thing have that anyone hardcore enough to consider the $999 price tag wouldn't already have?

None. I would get the two-disc one if it had the acoustic November Rain, because I love that and it's probably the one demo thing I'd like to have in better quality. But it doesn't so I won't and I don't want to pay almost 200 bucks to get that. Not worth it. All the other demo stuff is fine the way it is as far as I'm concerned and Appetite itself sounds great. So...pass.

37 minutes ago, cspalding22 said:

It's tough to see axl like this. Caving to the pc culture and crowd  that he seems to support and belong to. I've said it before and will say it again, been to dozens of gnr shows over the years, it's deplorables like myself who support you and overwhelming attend your shows. I don't see the likes of Clinton, Obama, and Kerry there. Now that us gen xers have grown up and our in our 40s, we tend to protest with our wallets. Remember that the next time you come to town and charge hundreds of dollars for a show with the same set list you had the previous year or charge close to 200 dollars for shadow of your love. Good luck pal.

 

Okay but you're experience isn't necessarily the same as every long time fan. I've been a GnR fan since 1987 and I've hated this song since the first time I heard it. It sucks, it's always sucked , and they never should have recorded it in the first place. In my opinion.  Which I'm not saying is more valid than yours... I'm just saying it's not the case that it's only modern 'PC' people that don't like it and everyone back then loved it. I was there back then and I hated it.

Too polished and slow. The 'wake up it's time to play version' is by far the best, raw and fast with some of Axl's best ever singing.

If people think SOYL is a new song that's really kind of a shame because the song's not that good.

Okay looking at it again I guess I haven't hear all of that but whatever I haven't heard isn't worth almost 200 bucks. To me anyway.

Don't care for that version of Shadow of Your Love at all. The background vocals are super irritating.

4 minutes ago, vloors said:

 

yeah but you heard it in what sound quality?

Big selling point here is the sound quality of the songs on offer.

Yes, usually I would agree but a lot of this stuff just isn't good enough that I want or need it in better sound. It is what it is. Cast offs, outtakes and demos.