Blackstar

Main criteria:

- Avoiding the "greatest hits" logic as much as possible.

- Representative of the versatility and evolution of the band (and telling its story, in a way).

1. Welcome to the Jungle
2. It's so Easy
3. You're Crazy (Lies or Late Show version)
4. Nightrain
5. Rocket Queen
6. Used to Love Her
7. The Garden
8. Don't Damn Me
9. Civil War
10. 14 Years
11. Breakdown
12. Locomotive
13. Estranged
14. Ain't It Fun
15. Madagascar (Rough Mixes #1 version)

15 minutes ago, TheSeeker said:

...so you're saying it's obscured

The dumbest part is that it's easy to change the date on a fax machine to whatever you want it to be, so whoever made the "fax" up was just plain lazy

 I don't know, I just think it would be too... imaginative? for the person we're talking about to think of making up a fax page and not a simple document page.

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I'm posting the picture for the people who don't know what we're talking about:

Slash said this 4 months ago (in September):

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Slash also talked about whether GUNS N' ROSES fans can expect to see new music from the band in the form of standalone singles or as a full-length record. He explained: "I think at the end of the day, everybody wants to have a full album released. I don't think that's really changed all that much. But there's a different way of putting stuff out initially nowadays more so than… I mean, there's always been the single, but now you sort of look at that preliminary release a little bit differently now. All things considered, it's like the Wild West out there; there is no formula for any of it. [Laughs] I haven't seen any routine kind of thing that works. I mean, you can do any one of a million different things to releasing a record. But at the end of the day, I think that we will ultimately release a full album."

http://www.a-4-d.com/t4222-2019-09-09-sirius-xm-trunk-nation-interview-with-slash

15 minutes ago, TheSeeker said:

The date on the fax is obscured - there's no reason to do that unless it's fake

Or because the date wouldn't fit with the claim about a 21st CD etc.

The date isn't exactly obscured. It's supposed to be on the top left part of the page that is not visible in the picture.

In the picture it looks like it's really a sheet paper from an old fax. So the fax is probably real (I don't think anyone would think of making a fake fax!) but the information given about it (i.e. that it was supposedly the track list of a "21st" CD) was fake.

I don't think Slash's answer is as vague as if he said something like "Yeah, we want to do it, we've started it and we'll see what happens." He said something more specific here and provided a reasoning.

The reasoning doesn't make much sense, though, considering that the band and the label released the AFD box set - based on the assumption, I guess, that there are still people who  buy records and even overpriced ludicrous box sets. 

Unless Universal thinks there's a market for GnR mainly as a legacy act and there's not much interest in new music from them, so it doesn't want to invest much money on a physical release, packaging etc.

I'm not sure what to make from Slash's answer.

For one, I think it doesn't leave much hope for a new release any time soon.

But I don't know how to "translate" it in regards to what the problem is. My guess is that Axl still has a problem with Universal.

What is even funnier is that the "review" really seems to have been translated from French. The "lyrics" rhyme better in French than in English 

The poster of the "review" on reddit is a well known troll who has been posting imaginary track lists all the time since the leaks started. 

I guess they now took it to the next level 

The logo and the pictures are back on the site.

Could it be the new pinball machine?

This falls into "merch" - but the old one had a "new song" in it...

I've bought their albums (except Live Era and Greatest Hits) and two concert tickets in 1993 and NuGnR in 2006 (the only two times they ever played in my country, that is). Also Slash's, Duff's and Steven's books, if those count. Never bought any merch (I don't buy merch from bands in general).

That's all from 1988 till now.

It seems that the 2006-2014 lineup didn't write anything new together, as Bumblefoot said that Axl showed no interest in any ideas brought to the table by that lineup. They did work on and finished pre-existing material, though.

Personally I wouldn't care much about music written by the Bumblefoot/Ashba lineup (and I understand why Axl wasn't interested). And I wouldn't care about early 00's songs re-worked by them either, so I don't mind much that that lineup didn't release anything. I think these songs should have been released when they were supposed to, in the early 00's, by the lineup that contributed to them, but since they weren't, I totally prefer to hear them reworked by Slash and Duff than by Bumblefoot and DJ Ashba.

17 minutes ago, Padme said:

We know what the articles said. The reall issue is that this seems to be the (in)famous vault we all heard about. The fact remains that Zutaut took all the recording. He put them in a storage.

Did Axl and UMG allow Zutaut to do this? If the answer is yes them why didn't he care about. Why Axl never made sure that those tapes were well protected?

I don't think Zutaut stole the recordings and hide them from Axl. But if Zutaut stole it. It's obvious Axl didn't care until now. How come he never noticed that a bunch of tapes were missing?

The fact is that for years nobody remembered or care about the material in the storage.

I don't care if Rick found it in Virgina or elsewhere. Nor I care if Rick was not allowed to go some show. Nobody paid to keep the storage. So somebody decided to put them up for auction. That wasn't Rick's responsibility. I guess Rick should've known better. He should've thought that sooner or later the bomb he was holding was going to explode. But it's not his fault if Axl and UMG didn't protect the tapes

Everything that there is in the article about the storage locker was already known with much more detail to those of us who have been following the leaks story closely since last summer.

But now we aren't sure if the storage locker even existed or Tom Zutaut just had the material in his house, for example, since the band rep in the article implies that it wasn't about an unpaid bill for a storage locker.

These CDs were obviously just copies that Tom Zutaut, among other people who worked on the project (the producer etc.) had and not the original tapes that Axl had and still has, so this explains why they might have been forgotten, as I said earlier.

So it's not the "vault" - it could be said that it's copies of part of the "vault" of what Axl was working on during the time period the CDs are from (2000-2001).

And what about the ridiculous "inside information" that the supposed EP would include a T-Rex song cover. "Plans have changed" in regards to that, too, it seems 

This is what "Fernando" had posted on reddit (the OP in the thread he replied to has since been deleted):

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PS: At the same time I'm posting about all this, I'm aware of how ridiculous it is that this b-spy movie like story has been taking place because of some songs that a small community of diehard fans only cares about.

8 minutes ago, Lio said:

Since Rick is the only one going public, we had no way of knowing if more people were being targeted. Now with the GNR rep's official statement, it seems to me that at least Tom Zutaut is in trouble too, and there might very well be more people who are under scrutiny.

"Fernando" had posted on reddit that he didn't have proof yet that the original buyer of the storage locker (who Rick and at least another person bought from) was still selling to other people, after he sold to Rick (like Rick said). I think this suggests that the original buyer had been approached by the label's/TB's lawyers and there was a deal with him, as well.

Tom Zutaut attended one of the festival shows last autumn. I wonder what went down there and if he talked with anyone.

It's also worth reminding that Zutaut has said that his ousting from the project back then was due to a setup by people around Axl who didn't want him there (implying Beta probably). So TB and Zutaut don't like each other, to put it mildly.

2 minutes ago, ManetsBR said:

Well, still. He wasn't the album producer but he was still Axl's producer, Axl's production adviser or whatever. He rightfully had the music. 

He didn't have the rights on it, obviously. The label and Axl did.

6 minutes ago, ManetsBR said:

Don't lose yourself. Tom Zutaut rightfully had the tracks; he was the producer.

He wasn't the producer; Roy Thomas Baker was the producer at that time. Tom Zutaut was like an outside executive/coordinator or something like that.

10 minutes ago, Padme said:

I know of that person. Also for some people, Fernando was a suspect for a while. But this story about Zutaut and Rick is whole new ballgame. That's why I was asking about leaks we had in the past. I want the whole picture.

The recent leaks don't seem to have come originally from people who were related to past leaks. The "unnamed" one got involved at a later point and was among a small circle of people who obtained the leaks before everyone else did, but they didn't originate from him.

Ultimate Classic Rock has picked it up now, too.

1 minute ago, themadcaplaughs said:

Does Tom even work at Universal anymore? Did he even work there after Axl dismissed him in 2001? I doubt he had seen, or even thought of, that locker since then. Do you remember what was in your office desk/locker from the job you held in 2001? 

He doesn't and he didn't. He didn't even work with Geffen/Interscope anymore when he worked with Axl on the CD project. He was brought in as an external associate.

1 minute ago, alfierose said:

 

Weird. They are unavailable for me. Maybe it's regional?

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