Blackstar

11 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

Seems like the general consensus is that Oklahoma is the track? I get real UYI meets Snakepit vibes from that song, Especially that little breakdown part. That is classic UYI era GNR.. Even listening to the bass, it sounds like Duff. I mean you could literally put this song on Slashes album from last year and nobody would have been able to tell the difference.

I get the same vibe from the bass line. I hear some British post-punk influence on Oklahoma, e.g. Bauhaus and Killing Joke. I don't know about Tommy, but Duff was a fun of those bands (Axl was a Bauhaus fan as well).

3 hours ago, vloors said:

Pretty sure I read rough versions of prostitute and this i love had been kicking around before slash left the band in the 90s.

Not sure of the third track. 

3 hours ago, Pacha said:

I think one of the songs may be This I love. It is the typical Axl song where Slash can make a great contribution. And as old as it is, it is possible that Slash has worked on it. Besides that Axl didn't want to include it in the Chinese.

Other songs that I think are old enough for Slash to have contributed are TWAT and Oklahoma.

It is also known that Axl worked in Back and Forth, perhaps he still had the idea of working it.

This I Love was written in 1992. It's unknown if Slash had written/played on it or if it was just Axl on the piano. It was going to be used in a Robin Williams movie in 1998, but, according to Dave Dominguez, when Axl heard a line in the end about Stephanie Seymour, he told him to erase it (it's not clear if the whole song or part of it was erased). Then Axl abandoned the idea of recording the song for a long time, until he was convinced by Robin Finck and Tommy to do so. So definitely This I Love wasn't one of the songs Axl wanted on the album in 2001.

I haven't read anything about Prostitute or TWAT predating the CD era. Prostitute was developed in the Youth era, as well as Madagascar. 

Back and Forth again was used on "It's Five O' Clock Somewhere", so why would Axl have wanted to work on that.

But I think that Oklahoma definitely might have been one of them, as, according to Dominguez, it was written before the very first CD studio sessions started.

I generally doubt that it was one of the songs that are on CD, because the songs Marc Canter referred to were songs Slash already had been part of, and I don't think Axl would have put Slash songs on the album without Slash playing them. 

I'm still curious about that fax page - which I believe as being real - and what the list of songs in it meant, as well as when it was from. Scraped was in the list.

Sean Beavan is credited on If The World, and all the songs on CD Beavan is credited on have vocals recorded during his time, as he said. So it was expected that IFTW had vocals.

It can be found on other platforms with some help from google.

5 minutes ago, cindy1985 said:

They were late back to93. Rumors said that axl played video games. In 2006 were on time I think. 

In 2006 there were a little late, iirc.

The rumour I remember from 1993 was that they were playing golf and having sex with groupies at the hotel 

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This video has some pre-show footage and interviews with crew members at the Olympic Stadium a day before the show:

http://www.a-4-d.com/t3955-1993-05-31-the-o-zone-bbc-one-guns-n-roses-in-athens-slash-duff-matt-dizzy

20 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

This is really great stuff and pretty funny too 

Two whole hours later, and after they had managed to gall even their most devoted fans (comments like "Τhey’re playing us for wankers" and "Who do they think they are?" were flying around me in the arena), 

and a singer/frontman in love with himself, who he sees as the new Messiah. 🤣

We didn't have much information then. We didn't know that they were always late and we thought they were only late for us 

7 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

I would never actually put that together hearing it. It sounds way different to be an actual rip off lol

Izzy has said many times he would play a song he had written for Axl, Axl would nit-pick saying parts or notes sounded like this or that song, and Izzy would say, "No, man!"

I always found this story very funny 

36 minutes ago, Axlhbk8793 said:

I just heard this for the first time. Why in the hell did they cut out the guitar solo/jam at the end of the song? It was so good.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwxQHZaBDxM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

1 minute ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Interesting - I suppose this information has been forgotten since the other stuff has been leaking but I really wonder what has happened to these and the AfD/UYI demos and why were all of them with Zutaut? What does he have to do with Izzy and Ju Ju Hounds?

It's been said that the person who originally bought the CD demos bought the Izzy tape as well. The AFD and UYI tapes have been bought by other people. I don't know how much truth there is in all this. Probably the Izzy tape is being traded among hoarders. I'm not sure about the AFD stuff, but the UYI tapes seem to be almost the same as the final mixes that ended up on the albums, so the value lies mainly in the physical copies (for people who collect this stuff) and not the content.

Izzy recorded the first Ju Ju Hounds album at Geffen. I guess the second one was going to be released by Geffen too, and that's why Zutaut had it.

8 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

If Izzy knows it would have been extra fun for him to have been in the Louder Than Life Festival too - seeing as Tom was there 

I saw in the show thread Axl had the backstage area cleared when he arrived haha!!

8 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Was Izzy at both?

Yes 

33 minutes ago, cindy1985 said:

 I was in the 2006 too.!!!!!! 🎉 I'm still searching the live from, 93.. 

Only audio exists from the 1993 Athens show, not good quality. I sent it to you

I have also posted a couple of reviews from Greek magazines back in the day - not too positive ones  - and translated them into English, here:

http://www.a-4-d.com/t2017-1993-05-24-olympic-stadium-athens-greece

7 minutes ago, cindy1985 said:

Is it from live in Greece???? I'm Greek and I saw them in 2006.

The video @MillionsOfSpiders posted is from Sheffield, UK, but it seems there were some Greeks in the audience 

I was at the 2006 show in Greece, too  - and in the 1993 one  

7 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I heard the people talking in a different language and then one yelling - funny they can be heard over everyone else  (j/k)

Maybe they came over for the show but there are quite a few Greek people living in Sheffield - my best friend here all through school was Greek  

Aww 

The ones at the show are classic loud and noisy Greeks 

11 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Is it an album of unheard songs? 

Will it possibly leak the same way all of Axl’s old demos have?

It's a tape of rough mixes. Most of the songs are unheard, I think. Two of them are on later Izzy solo albums (I guess Izzy re-recorded them) and one is maybe "Goodnight Tonight" that was played at early GnR shows.

https://www.discogs.com/Izzy-Stradlin-And-The-Ju-Ju-Hounds-November-1993-DAT-Bill-Price-Rough-Mixes/release/13850373

I guess most of you haven't been following the CD leaks saga that has been almost all over D&N in the last two months, so maybe you haven't heard about the Izzy related stuff.

According to what has been known about the source of these leaks, the storage locker, which belonged to Tom Zutaut, didn't contain only the CD era demos, but also demos of the second "lost" Ju Ju Hounds album (as well as some AFD and UYI demo tapes).

The Ju Ju Hounds demos were bought along the rest of the content of the storage locker, then the tape was sold on discogs. So it's in someone's hands but hasn't leaked yet.

I wonder if Izzy knows about this.

3 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

The crowd are singing “there’s only one Izzy Stradlin” to him 

He has the coolest stage presence and I love how inclusive he is of the other band members, like how he treats Richard. You can see why people say he is a band leader 

There were also some Greeks in the crowd, apparently. After Axl announces Izzy, someone is heard yelling in Greek something that translates into "Fuck yeah, Izzy!"! 

1 hour ago, MooseMan said:

I don't know if GN'R are operating under the old partnership for the tour or not. They very well may be, but I don't think this lawsuit proves that they are. There were lawsuits during the Nu GN'R days where all 3 of them were plaintiffs as "GN'R".

In the Greatest Hits lawsuit, although they referenced the partnership, they sued as individuals. From the ruling of the case (which they lost):

Plaintiffs' Lanham Act claims fail as a matter of law. Even if there were any factual basis for Plaintiffs' claims, they still could not provide a basis for equitable relief. Both of the Lanham Act claims are facially deficient. The first, for trademark infringement, fails because Plaintiffs have no standing even to bring such a claim. The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office records submitted by Plaintiffs show that a California partnership called 'Guns N' Roses,' and not the individuals who are plaintiffs here, owns the registered trademarks sued on in this action.

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=3425

4 hours ago, MooseMan said:

Duff and Slash never left the partnership. Axl, Slash and Duff have been the sole GN'R partners since the 90's. This isn't a new thing.

This is true. At the same time, though, Axl had a separate entity (NuGnR), so it could have been a different arrangement for the NITL tour, for example Slash and Duff partnering with Axl's entity. But it seems the old partnership has been reactivated as it was or has been amended.

13 hours ago, Azifwekare said:

Wait... are you saying this wasn't the name of the tour?

It would be a smart name for the tour, actually, if they named it that themselves 

12 hours ago, Scream of the Butterfly said:

Considering that her identity was known and that the police caught her in the act, I don't know why they would have asked Axl to describe what she looked like.

Do you remember if Axl ever said anything about her in interviews or elsewhere? I remember another comment besides the one @MillionsOfSpiders posted.

 

Axl gave her approximate height too, and this makes it sound like he was giving a rough description of her as part of the whole description of the series of events he had to give in the testimony.

According to the recap @MillionsOfSpiders posted, her identity became known to Axl afterwards. It's also not entirely clear if she was caught in action the first time or outside Axl's house, for example. The dates in the recap (which, from what I understand, was compiled by an old member of this forum here) are not quite accurate. According to media reports in combination with the L.A. Superior Court database, Karen McNeil showed up at Axl's house indeed in 1995, and the court let her go (probably with some restrictions). She showed up again in 1996 and 1997, she was put on probation and a restraining order to stay at least 300 yards away from Axl's house. Then she tried to enter Axl's house again in 2000 (or, according to some reports, she did enter and was found in his bedroom) and was sentenced to 1 year in jail for violating the terms of probation and the restraining order. She sent letters to Axl from jail and, although she was charged for that after she was released, because she had been ordered to not try to "contact" Axl again in any way, she showed up at his house again in early 2001. She was ordered to stay at a mental hospital but she left after a while.

I don't know of any other comments by Axl, and I didn't find any. There were only comments from his lawyer in the 2000 case saying that Axl didn't need to give a testimony. Beta testified at the 2000 hearing saying Karen McNeil had showed up at the house six times by then.

2 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Which show was this? 

It's a work in progress, eventually all available sources will be used. I have currently come to interviews up to April 1995

I think @King_Johnny meant the show the quote that is already included in the history chapter is from (Dane County Coliseum, Dec. 19, 1987)

11 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

How odd that he was told to take down his Coachella tweet by management, what was that all about?

Didn’t seem like he’d fallen out with anyone at that point. 

Yeah, it's odd.

Maybe they didn't want anything to come out yet about who else would be in the band besides Axl, Slash and Duff, because there were still negotiations and discussions about Izzy and the lineup in general.

Or maybe there were some problems already at rehearsals at the time of his first tweet, and with that he wanted to say he was in the band.

6 minutes ago, Creed said:

If this is the real deal, Duff and Slash are really back in GnR. I apologize.

Here is the full document:

https://www.docdroid.net/zZAOia1/20190509-gnr-vs-oscar-blues.pdf

1 hour ago, King_Johnny said:

miss that Axl description of the incident being on YT.

Sure I've got a download of it somewhere. For the benefit of those that haven't heard it what makes it all the better is that it's in the middle of a blues jam, and Axl fits the story around the music perfectly.

It's still on youtube