Blackstar

13 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said:

Is this the a true account?

No, this is the HOB story from last year, mixed with this one.

22 minutes ago, noonoo said:

The CDs in question were sold to some random bloke from Japan 2 days ago. He then flew to Florida, mainly to visit Disneyland and gave the CDs to some wrestling dude, in exchange for the Evader version of "the General", believing it to be the real deal. The wrestler then promised to give the CDs to a bagel boy, but ended up selling them to a forum member, who drove 14 hours to Miami, yesterday. Bagel boy got mad, so he was given some mp3s from the wrestler to calm down. Eventually he will leak them today.

Most part of this sounds exactly like the HOB video story, as told on the Appetite for Distortion podcast a while ago. I don't think it has to do with this recent leak. 

14 minutes ago, angriestwhopper said:

Hardschool? Is that the shittest song title ever written? Do we want to know which subject in school he struggled with?

Apparently it's not about school. 

41 minutes ago, Azifwekare said:

Can @Gambit83pull Tobias out of the vault?

I think, iirc, @Gambit83 said he tried to reach him on fb, but no response.

11 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

@Blackstar you gotta tell me what part of my post you like haha

Most of it. I'd love to hear these songs with Slash and Duff and I'm glad that any versions reworked by the DJ Ashba lineup weren't released. I think, though, that Axl should have released them when all that stuff was originally supposed to be released, ie. around 2000. 

20 minutes ago, SoundOfAGun said:

If the current line up are reworking any of this material, I hope this lights a fire under them and forces them to release it instead of toy trucks and beach towels. 

I'm afraid that it may have the opposite effect and halt the process of working on a new album, if they're reworking any of this material. I think Axl wouldn't want any old versions out there - and probably Slash wouldn't either.

Yes, it seems there are at least some songs with Buckethead:

PRL

Eye On You

Moustache

Quicksong

Quicksong w Buckethead

Zodiac 13

Tonto

Real Doll Dot Com

Atlas Shrugged

Silkworms (not the 2018 leak)

Billionaire

State of Grace

Devious Bastard

Hardschool

Dummy

Me & My Elvis

(This is supposed to be the list of the unheard songs with Axl's vocals on - unfortunately no dates).

Sean Beavan confirmed last year or two years ago that there were about 35 songs by the time he left the project, and that Axl had already recorded vocals for a good portion of them (including the songs from Beavan's time that made it on CD) - but many people on here didn't believe it 

3 minutes ago, Creed said:

CD is still the most expensive album ever made. GnR created top notch music. 

Guess why Bob Ezrin and Co didnt want to release it. Its a concept album. 

Okay.

1 minute ago, Creed said:

to be honest: neither hard school nor atlas sounds like hit material. 

I guess you never liked a song that wasn't a hit? 

Just now, Propaganda said:

Are those the drum tracks alone, or the full songs with the drums indicated on the cover?

I don't know, I just saw the picture. I just guess that since it says "instrumental" after some of them, the rest might be full songs.

I wonder if this could have something to do - indirectly - with the recently uncovered story about the Universal fire in 2008. If what has been said in this thread is to be believed, the original buying of the CDs happened about a month ago, and this coincides with the time the Universal story surfaced. Maybe Universal, facing massive lawsuits, went on to check out every storage space to catalog everything they got (which seems that they hadn't done properly after the fire). And maybe somewhere there some recordings "escaped". Just a thought...

16 minutes ago, Route66 said:

this is cool.. anyone heard it yet? 

I guess it's the same guy as here:

He did it 1991 too, in St. Louis (without the cough) and probably at other shows that I don't remember.

In St. Louis he said "bullshit", looked at Izzy and they both laughed. Like others said, it was obviously a joke among them about the lyrics.

5 minutes ago, shotsfired cro said:

If we were to rank 

Who is "we"?

50 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

I have never heard Axl say he was a manic depressive. I actually heard him saying that he has seen people in magazines say he was, but he was never diagnosed. Maybe now, he'd say he was but to my knowledge that's things other people have said about him, and things fans have picked on to excuse unexplainable behaviour (going on late for 20yrs straight).

He had said it directly once [NME, October 1987]:

Do you see this as your BIG CHANCE, the only one you'll ever have?

Axl: "In certain ways, yeah...because I'm a manic depressive. If I f**cked up now maybe I could still be successful in 30 years time. But maybe I wouldn't allow myself to live that long, maybe I'm too self-destructive…"

Does manic depression go hand in hand with paranoia?

Axl: "No...I wouldn't say so."  

It was mentioned in other interviews after that, although without him being quoted saying the words "manic depressive" directly:

A psychiatrist has diagnosed Axl's problem as manic-depressive disorder, a condition that can cause people to swing from impulsive, reckless, and argumentative fits to catatonic and suicidal periods. "I can be happier than anybody I know," Axl says. "I can get so happy I'll cry. I can get completely opposite, upsetwise." Many manic-depressives turn to drugs or alcohol to lessen the pain of their illness. Although Axl takes lithium to combat the disorder, he thinks it's ineffective and claims to be in control of his moods.  [Rolling Stone, November 1988]

Sources around him say he's on drugs - the prescriptive variety - to alleviate symptoms of manic depression. Sometimes he doesn't take them. And one thing everyone agrees on: No one tells Axl what to do. The result is that one can never be sure where Axl Rose will show up, and, if he does, which Axl will show. [Musician, December 1988]

Then, in 1989, he would say that the diagnosis had stemmed from a 500-question test:

Axl: I went to a clinic, thinking it would help my moods. The only thing I did was take one 500-question test - ya know, filling in the little black dots. All of sudden I'm diagnosed manic-depressive. "Let's put Axl on medication". Well, the medication doesn't help me deal with stress. The only thing it does is help keep people off my back because they figure I'm on medication [RIP, April 1989].

He didn't talk about it in public after that until 2008, when he was asked in the forum chats, and said that he was never diagnosed as bipolar. I guess he was referring to that questionnaire, meaning that he didn't acknowledge it as a diagnosis.

32 minutes ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

cause VR sold him out 

I think he could have toured solo all these years if he really wanted to - at least some short tours.

And he had other opportunities to tour, too:

https://web.archive.org/web/20110905210438/http://www.rockaaa.com:80/news/ashhurst-urges-stradlin-to-take-mckagan’s-offer-6593

15 hours ago, Rovim said:

Slash admitted it stung a little knowing Duff played with Axl in 2010. I think it wasn't just about the money. Slash wanted to return to Guns, to be in the same band with Axl again. He invested a lot in Gn'R, worked really hard to make it a huge success and I don't think he really believed Axl would move on without him. I think when he left the band in 1996 he couldn't imagine a Slashless Gn'R.

I don't think it was about 2010. He said Duff texted him and updated him about what was going on and he was kind of excited, too.

He did seem a bit hurt when Duff joined Axl for a full leg in 2014, but yeah, that also came across as him being hurt because he thought he'd never get that call from Axl:

"What Duff does is what Duff does. It doesn't really concern me," said Slash. "Duff's relationship with Axl is different to mine. That call to me is just not going to happen."

Not that Slash has a problem with McKagan playing with the band again. "I don't judge Duff. He's cool," he insisted. "He just has a way more amicable, neutral relationship with Axl than I do."

http://www.a-4-d.com/t3333-2014-04-10-ultimate-classic-rock-slash-on-duff-s-reunion-with-guns-n-roses#12811

14 hours ago, Silverburst80 said:

Axl talked about his mental health waaay before that in some of their early interviews, like 86-87. He was always pretty open about knowing something wasn't quite right but not really knowing what it was. He DID know he was a bit of a prick and has always been pretty open about that as well

I think this was of the best ones he did in the 80s trying to explain what he was struggling with:

http://www.a-4-d.com/t3210-1989-06-dd-patience-cd-single-w-axl-rose-interview

4 hours ago, Ant said:

Axl said he resented (my word) the size of the monetary deal Izzy struck with management for those appearances. Like why would that bother you?? Enough to comment to the press which you hardly ever do about anything. He really views it as a meritocratic business enterprise -- his prerogative. Count those coins. Sucks, though. 

This isn't exactly what Axl said. He said (paraphrasing) that Izzy had called management to negotiate his fees for those appearances, which Axl didn't know from the beginning, and when he heard about it later, he was a bit put off by it. I don't know why he was annoyed by Izzy taking care of his business and what he expected him to do or if he expected him to play for free; maybe he was just bothered because he didn't know about this, and/or because what had happened in the past, when Izzy left and then with the 1993 shows. 

Then, iirc he joked from the stage with Izzy present, that "Izzy is expensive". It didn't sound like resentment, it was just a joke. I don't remember now if he made that comment in an interview, too.

On 7/11/2019 at 5:54 AM, money honey said:

If memory serves it was the roof of the Rainbow.

It was the Whiskey. Vicky Hamilton's apartment was near there, on Clark St.. They were walking across the street looking for Axl and they saw him on the roof of the Whiskey 

18 minutes ago, Shackler's said:

Oh yeah, I worded myself wrong. I know they never played these shows, sorry!

No, don't worry, you worded yourself fine.  

I was referring to gnrontour and basically wondering why they list those shows based on Sugerman's book, although Sugerman didn't write that the shows were played.

4 minutes ago, DTJ80 said:

If you were the partner of someone who’s daughter had been assaulted, wouldn’t you think he would have done something about it? How could you go about your business each day knowing full well the abuser was just walking about the same building each day? I can’t get my head around that part.

Hmm, yeah. And even that he would have beaten the shit out of him right there on the spot - even if he didn't know what exactly had happened, the girl was there without her clothes. It wouldn't have been difficult, as most people there were passed out.

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

Yeah, but I'm not sure what's your point, about someone should have seen him?

I mean one of their common friends or "friends" would have seen him and told her. She says her mother's boyfriend was working in one of the studios there.