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    Led Zeppelin

    in MY WORLD

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    Deep Purple aren't as good as Zepp. I love Deep Purple but some of their songs are very same-ish.

    I can't say much for the Who. Ive listened to Tommy and their Best Of, but they don't seem that great.

    The thing I love about Led Zeppelin, is no two of their songs sound the same. They experimented with time signatures, they played great blues songs, folk songs and amazing rock songs. If you look at their debut, its very different from their second album, and they were both released in the same year. The band worked magnificently together, and their sound developed throughout their career. They could write a song like Misty Mountain Hop and then write something like Rain Song. Entwistle was a better bassist, but JPJ was more than a bassist. He played organ etc. and wrote the riff to Black Dog. Led Zeppelin had it all.

    I take your points about Zeppelin's greatness, and the only thing I really disagree with is your Entwistle/JPJ comparison. Entwistle was a talented multi-instrumentalist too and he wrote many songs for The Who. To be honest I'd put them just about on par overall, and they're both my favourite members of the two bands.

    In defense of Rap

    in MY WORLD

    Posted · Edited by Glick

    Over the last decade, Rap has become perhaps the most popular of all musical genres. Its stars dominate both music video channels and current radio stations, and it’s become the obvious preference of America’s youth. The ascendancy of Rap, however, has not occurred without its fair share of criticism. Rappers have been accused of sexist and materialist attitudes, and have caused controversy for their alleged promotion of violence and drug-use. However, out of all of the criticisms that Rap has endured, the most common has been the belief that Rap itself isn’t music. This belief is both unfounded and ignorant; Rap is truly as musical as any other genre, and is essential to the popular culture of America.

    A common criticism of Rap is that “anyone can do it”. This is totally untrue. Anyone who has really attempted to rap knows just how difficult it is. Connecting a series of phrases, in rhyme, and maintaining continuity all the while is no easy feat. The attention to rhythm that is necessary in rapping is often taken for granted. In addition to fitting the backing track, rappers must also take care to emphasize certain words and command the listener’s attention through rhythmic variation. Above all, a Rap song contains far more words than a song of any other genre. The greater amount of lyrics in a Rap song constitutes a much greater effort in writing them.

    The other half of Rap music, production, is also the object of much criticism. Due to the lack of live instrumentation in most Rap productions, many believe that “anyone can do it” as well. This is also untrue. Rap producers either compose their music on synthesizers, or rely on various samples to create their productions. Both methods require ingenuity and creativity on the part of the producer. But while the artfulness inherent in the composition of original music is easy to see, the science of sampling is often overlooked. Rap producers who choose to rely on samples must wade through masses of records (a process known as “digging in the crates”), in search of the sources from which they will create their music. The producer must then cut and fit these samples together in order to form the “hook”, or main phrase that will drive the production. Creating something memorable out of bits and pieces of sampled music is an art unto itself.

    Born in Harlem in the late 1970s, Rap has remained the genre of choice among young, urban, African-Americans. As it centers on inner-city life, poverty, drugs, racism, and gang violence, Rap touches on subjects that, although not usually discussed in other genres, are integral to the lives of many people. Just as Country music appeals to masses of rural whites, Rap fills a much needed role in supplying urban blacks with a genre they themselves can relate to.

    For as long as Rap music exists, it will endure its fair (or unfair) share of criticism. Due to its very nature, it has divided listeners like no form of music ever before. But despite its great differences from other genres, it should be considered nothing less than a culturally valuable form of music. When truly examined, the artistry involved in, and significance of Rap is indisputable. Rap will go on as a groundbreaking force in the music world, despite the naysayers.

    Say what you want, Rap is not music.. any jackass with a drum machine and pen and paper can rap.. and I think 8 mile proved you dont have to even be a jackass with a beat machine.. just a jackass. Rap is not music, because there are no actual musical instruments used in making the product. Rap is popular because black people have nothing else going for them aside from that, and white kids in suburbia are dieing to fit in somewhere. If rock was promoting violence the way rap does, or drug use the way they do, then I think we'd be back in the 80's with Dee snyder sitting infront of al Gore and the rest of the commettie, explaining how words are used to mean different things and music is left to be disected by the listener, as they want to. I think we know what happens when a white rockstar is a sexist pig, I.E Axl Rose, how many times has he been thrown under the bus for being a sexist, but yet lil jon and the rest of 'em can call women bitches and ho's, talk about fuckin 'em and leavin 'em, never love 'em and blah blah blah, and no one says anything. Ozzy sings a song that sounds like he says shoot shoot shoot.. some kid kill's himself, it's ozzy's fault.. but let DMX tell us to do a drive by and some dumbass does it, and DMX is sent dowm with jessie jackson and they not only get the kid out of jail, but DMX is a fuckin hero... Rap maybe an art form asfar as speech, if they would actually use speech instead of just sayin abunch of shit that dont make sence, but it sounds good.. like on the carter 2, anybody wanna tell me what "I dropped back like 32... step back like 33" means? Anybody? Anothe rthing that gets me, is you call it music, yet it all sounds the same, the only thing that ever changes is the ticks between the bass. Rap music is made for simple minded induviduals, who has no idea of what real music is, what real life is, and what dealing with real human emotions, is really about. It's used to create an illusion and tell a story, 8 nout of 10 rap stars really have no money... as was said on MTV, the only rappers that have money are lil jon, jayz and p.diddy. If you look at those three names, you'll see 2 things they all have in commin.. they all PRODUCE music... and have investments in other areas.. they didnt make their real money talkin over a beat machine.. they made it listenin to and producing this shit thats all over T.V and radio... I could go on for hours about how rap is slowly killing the good in humanity and is turning our children into lil bitchass wanna be thugs and whore's, and how it creates a bigger problem in a society riddled with problems by promoting violent music, while also backing people who are for a new breed of racisim against white people. Notice how it's slowly becomming a bad thing to be white? Everyone wants to be a hommie or G.. but thats for another topic.. but it's all related if u stop and look at it with a clear head and not a "we done this to them so just lay off" attitude, because Ihavent done anything to anybody.

    See u proved my point and killed your argument.. how can you say you created music, when you're just simply stealing the music of somebody else? That'd be like me taking music from welcome to the jungle and putting my own words with it, and saying I wrote a song.. it dont work that way

    Rap isn't the scourge of our youth. You're acting like kids wouldn't be bad if rap never existed. Sounds like something the Daily Mail or The Sun would say

    EDIT: Just been listening to some Talib Kweli on his MySpace. Really enjoying it

    YOUR music scene

    in MY WORLD

    Posted

    I'm reallly loving Jaco Pastorius and Miles Davis at the moment. Some great music comes from those two

    I also enjoy a nice listen to King Crimson and Queensryche when I'm in the right mood

    Best singer

    in MY WORLD

    Posted

    i'm really digging geoff tate of queensryche lately - the vocal work on operation:mindcrime is incredible and so freaking clean

    He's amazingly great on that album mate. Have you heard Operation: Mindcrime 2 yet? He sounds very different but still absolutely outstanding vocals from him

    practising guitar

    in NICE BOYS DON'T PLAY ROCK N' ROLL

    Posted

    Since I've come to Uni I don't practise anywhere near enough. I used to hit 2 hours a day at least (on most days) because it was one of my favourite things to do and having a lot of friends aspiring to be musicians always helped because we'd go and jam a lot. The most I've ever done is an 8 hour band practise (the place had a book 4 hours, get the second 4 half price offer). Loved it.

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