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7 hours ago, janrichmond said:

i dunno, i've never seen her blonde only red or brownish...i'm guessing not Renee

indeed most of her photos are with red hair.but i found this

1 hour ago, kkferro72 said:

Looking to her haircut and height compared to Izzy, it can be Annica. But she seems to be closer to Slash in both pics (althought it means nothing, really). In the first picture there's another blonde woman behind Izzy that could be her too. 

Edited to add this picture:

Now I think it's not her on those pics. Maybe the woman in the background of the first pic. 

Tall and blonde...i quit.

https://scontent.fath1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/549975_540686185954006_1710339096_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeFlTG-E5Cg2SAOrOPsnZXYiyrbxsbm8UR8rwqQBsQEymaKrYvnxII72ubK3uBy81QCDtOU4vbEm29Q4ClYRQJmm69zEg9KNh4JPHkP7hI5wYw&oh=f8e82e996f9068b2c1aacd8ab71cc753&oe=5B4FFEF1 brazil 91. is this annica?

I dont know whats wrong with me...but iam checkinh all the time photos...i find it on facebook 4days ago... I dont know if its the same with roxys..

2 minutes ago, kkferro72 said:

New to me. Found by @cindy1985. 

Thank you... I was trying to post it but i couldnt for some reason.. my intention is to post first in wacky and after in social media

21 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

Yeah right?  I’m the worst tourist guide ever. I love people coming to visit Germany. Don’t be put off by my bluntness. lol. Maybe it’s me being in love with other countries and cities so I’m bored with how it looks in my country? Well, when you have seen documentaries you might be able to tell that the cities here have only small olden parts of the cities that are pretty to look at. Speaking architecture, the newer parts are mostly uninspiring to me...

Parts of Frankfurt are fine, Köln is great for it’s people. They are just awesome. Köln is an ugly beast though but I love it anyway, that city’s got heart. I love Hamburg for it’s beautiful houses and lake and Berlin for just being Berlin. It definitely has a special and unique vibe. Well, to not derail this thread too much -  come over and hopefully see the great spots.  

EDIT: I hope I’ll be able to go a visit Argentina one day. I’m all in for the tango and dream of going dancing every night (not that I’m good enough. Probably staring at the dancers from the shadow and being shy) and buying really cool dancing shoes. 

take from iz the gold sandals

32 minutes ago, killuridols said:

No one with a bit of world and a life lived through would believe the problems in the band were exclusively Axl's fault. All of them had their own shit, demons to deal with but they also had a dream that brought them together.

However, it is also unfair to say that Axl held the band together and that he was the element that kept it going because this is not true and it can verified via several sources.

The drugs seem to be a problem for each person involved but they didn't have a visible impact on the final products the band released. They made the albums and toured them. There's really nothing to blame drugs about that. Yes, drugs made Steven useless and they almost killed Slash, Izzy and Duff had an alcohol problem. But it cannot be said that drugs delayed albums and cancelled tours.

It is their egos what mainly torn the band apart. It came a point where they couldn't see eye to eye, find each other again, agree on the kind of music or album they wanted to make, agree on the direction the band had to take after the big success.

Axl becoming a tyrant is not something other people must have stopped. It is like saying that since a rapist cannot control himself, the women have to be pretty careful with what they wear in front of him......... Lol, no, it's not like that..... Axl should have never become a tyrant and realize by himself this behavior was damaging the band. Besides, I think there were several hints from the other guys and he didn't listen..... Why put a finger up Slash's ass by bringing a guy like Tobias to the room? Or to bring Zakk Wylde to duel with Slash?...... It makes no sense he played with Slash job like that.

 ok we have different opinion about the drama. 

4 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Yes, but that doesn't mean he wasn't causing problems behind scenes and that the whole band was not lost, even back then.

Obviously, Slash and Duff were visibly drunk/drugged during interviews but the important thing is that they were working. I can't recall a story of a show that had to be cancelled because Slash was drugged to the point of not being able to play. I remember that Axl called out Slash and embarrassed him publicly because of drugs, but Slash argues that episode, so I don't know...

During those years, they had started having trouble to write together. Read the Chicago episode in Slash book, for example. Axl and Izzy were drifting away. Axl took a month to arrive there, when everybody was almost gone.

There are several accounts from ex-managers and other industry people telling how difficult it was to keep them focused and working on something. No one wanted to sign them because they were trouble.

Axl and Slash were having problems with the law, being accused of rape, they had to lay low for a while.... I mean, I don't know where this notion of Axl holding the band together comes from because when you learn the history of the band, you realize that it was a constant mess and that Axl was far from being an element of unity in the band. He was always an antagonist.

Duff later became the diplomat who dealt with them but I guess during the early years, it was Izzy the one in charge to soothe Axl.

As for Steven, I'm not sure he's called Axl a brother.... I think Steven has a tighter relationship with Slash and in a lesser extent with Duff. Actually, it looks to me that Steven is in good terms with all of them (even if he criticizes them) except for Axl.

Slash son's band will open for an Steven show so I really doubt that Slash would allow his son to play for the enemy, if Steven and him had such a bad relationship.

About Slash taking control of the band.... huh.... I guess you omitted the part where a paper made Axl the owner of the band, so sober or not, I have doubts he (or anyone else) could have done anything against that.

Axl made as legal maneuver that put everybody under his control, so it has nothing to do with sobriety, it was a power play.

 

No, the reliability issues have nothing to do with this, as everything said was many months after the current tour started.

From the video I posted, which is the only time Axl and Duff talked about the reunion,  the reliability issues are all put on Izzy's shoulders and about Steven is pretty unclear what happened. Not even Axl can explain it.

i dont try to defend axl.. i just say that he is not the only responsible...of course he made serious mistakes but the other guys made too.. i read slash book and i remember the fact about drugs...If axl became a tyrant 4 people didnt do anything about this...As for izzy i believe that he is totally right, no because iam fan of him,but a guy who had such a contribution on most of the songs you did not behave like that. Time will tell us .

23 minutes ago, Padme said:

Again the reliability issue. How can we know for sure if he is not given a chance to play a whole show or a handfull of shows? Fans say the same thing about Izzy

steven said that they call him only to play several shows and not to be part of the reunion. As for izzy i read that they want to include him but with less money..for izzy nobady knows something speciffic..

9 minutes ago, killuridols said:

The reliability issue is something assumed by the fans but never confirmed by either Axl, Slash or Duff.

Actually, it looks to me like a problem of hearing comprehension, because the only moment when they talked about reliability issues, they are thrown on Izzy's back, not Steven.

Please listen carefully to Axl response, he sorts of stutters and doubts when replying about Steven. He mentions the back surgery and then he goes like "I had no idea about that", "I don't know" but I can't understand what he really means by that.... Looks like he didn't know Steven was going to join? 

Jump to minute 12:14

its pretty confusing...

the main difference between izzy and steven is that izzy didnt give an interview about reunion ... the first time he tweeted was "at this point in time'' that he wont participate... and after this interview said about money.

1 minute ago, killuridols said:

 

Ok, I just checked it out.

Im not sure how your opinion on that connects with the debate that someone else started because I called some posters "the word that is not banned but it is antagonistic" .....

But to reply to your post, well, I disagree that Axl is the one who held the band together... I don't see how, really.... From 1990 until 1993, the band started to disintegrate, losing Steven first and Izzy next but Slash and Duff were not absent, in spite of their addictions.

Slash was the one in charge of looking for Steven's replacement. They finished the UYI albums, Slash wrote amazing epic guitar parts for most of the songs. Duff helped too. Izzy was there and wrote until he was gone.... I mean, in what sense was Axl alone holding the band together? Actually, he was an element of contempt in many opportunities, he only communicated with the rest of the guys via Doug Goldstein...when tour started, he went full on riots, St. Louis, starting shows late or cancelling..... Really, I have problems seeing how he added extra help to keep the band going on.

As for your opinion about Steven, I think it could be the case that he does love them for what they represent to him (the band mates with whom he made it big, the biggest success of his life) but at the same time feeling disappointed for how things turned out and how the friendship got mixed up with the business part. It is not easy to keep a friendship and make business with your friends, there are always frictions and disagreements.

Its hard for me to see the contradiction. 

 i didnt read the beginning of conversation i just answered to the post..i refered to the years 86-89 axl had the less problems of drugs and alcohol.. he was the only guy who could give a serious interview the early years.. just remember what happened when duff and slash went to mtv to receive the awards. For me guns ended when izzy left the band that is 91. After that the whole chemistry ended, they became something else.. For steven i believe that he is the only guy for classic line up who wants the reunion no matter money. But i cant call somebody as a brother and then call him @@@@hole.  And for the history believe that all members made mistakes i dont want to accuse just one person... Slash is a real legend as a musician and i respect him for that but he wasnt able to take the control of this band due to his problems.. Thats my opinion.. 

Just now, Padme said:

I think he is bitter. And he is expressing how he feels. Again before calling Steven loser, has been, strungout or other things he has been called. I would like to hear what Axl, Slash and Duff have to say.

No, I'm afarid not everyone wants Steven and Izzy. Some fans have been very clear about it.

i dont want to call anybody loser,steven is a part of the history..but for me he is not reliable. Axl probably doesnt want him...but i agree with you im curious too to hear the other members about him. As for izzy i believe that most of the fans want him back.

1 minute ago, killuridols said:

"All these years" was only Axl in the band so it's logical people will talk about him and what he did with the band he retained for himself 

I guess you are the one who didn't understand that with 'drama' I meant the GN'R story, not something you particularly said. I don't see how it is an 'unfortunate' comment to call it a drama when all elements of it are typical of such situation.

its ok i didnt want to be aggressive, in previous page i wrote that axl hold the band in yeaRs with drugs but all the members left because of his issues, i explained what i meant in previous post. And yes to be honest i took it personally 'the drama' but now i know what you mean... By the way,iam a huge fan of Argentina and national team.

11 minutes ago, killuridols said:

This is NOT TRUE.

I have never bashed Axl when he, for example, started his thing with AC/DC. I like what he did there and I enjoyed most of the shows that I watched on YouTube because of course, I wasn't able to attend any of them. I have talked positively about the NITL shows I attended, as well. I loved his China Exchange conference and a few other shows I could watch via YouTube.

Unfortunately, he got stale after all that and haven't done much since then. After two years on the road, the shows and the whole tour got boring for me. Also I noticed how Axl's voice started to decline as the time past by and I criticized that, but saying things about his voice is not bashing him.

While people on the Steven thread make fun of his new band, the singer, saying that he is terrible and can't sing jack shit. Most of those opinions are one liners, mean things, hardly justified with some substance.

Im always trying to back up my opinion with facts and it if it's just my opinion, I make an effort to explain why I think that way. I never bash anyone just for the sake of it.

I do make some jokes, and probably use Axl a lot for my jokes, but I thought most people here had the ability to distinguish one thing from the other. I have doubts now..... It is sad.

Then you need to roam the forum a bit more 

The D&N section is full of threads bashing Adler and Izzy. But when Izzy sent out his terrible tweet, lol, a lot of people bashed Duff and Slash too.

I don't see how Axl is to blame for everything and I'm a bit lost at what "everything" means. Your generalization of the whole drama is too wide and GN'R history is complicated.

But in a nutshell, I think the forum is full of threads with criticism of all parts involved. Some are buried deep inside, maybe you should dig them to realize there's something more out there.

That smiley wasn't for you, it was for what @Tori72 posted but my post submitted after yours. I'm sorry.

first...i spoke generally about how people treat axl all these years about the band  and not specifically about the half reunion...maybe you didnt read what i wrote in previous page,so the word 'drama' is at least an unfortunate comment. 

5 minutes ago, Padme said:

See, what age has to do with anything? What words and what actions? I believe both of them should be part of the reunion. Why? Because it is a reunion 

i believe that everybody want steven and izzy,me too. But, as i said before steven blames the other members of many things and the next time says that they are his brothers.. Said things about reunion but he played with them...and i bet that if they call him again, he would participate... he behaves as teenager for me.. 

2 minutes ago, Padme said:

You still don't get it. I didn't call anyone a hater. Nor I'm talking about bashing Axl or Adler. I'm talking about a double standard. If Izzy, Adler or Ashba say something negative about Axl. I will react to it according to what they say. If t it's the truth. Well it is the truth. Now there are people who wouldn't care about the truth. And just bash them because they say something negative about Axl. The same if Axl says something negative about Adler or Izzy. But one of the problems with Axl is that he never says anything. I can't give him the benefit of the doubt if I don't hear his side of the story.

 

 

Sometimes it matters who says something..its different for me hearing izzy say about reunion and different from steven..steven is 53...and his words differ from his actions

1 minute ago, killuridols said:

2 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Ok i read what you say a bit quickly

1 minute ago, killuridols said:

If you think the others are to blame too then point it out instead of complaining about the people who bash Axl. 

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It would be so easy to remove the focus from Axl and put it on Slash or Duff, but for some reason people are lazy to do it or too happy with their Slash and Duff. 

While Axl does get a ton of criticism, the bashing of Steven and Izzy but especially Steven is for the lamest reasons, like his disease and his addiction. It is always a knock under the belt and this is why I think it is unfair in that sense.

Which focus do you mean??i never read something wrong about the others... All these years people accused axl... Its really entertaining hearing slash talking about adlers problems with drugs when  we know that slash did the same thing.. How he bahaved to his schoolmate adler?and what about to matt sorum?? Come on now... We know that axl is not the easiest guy...but we cannot accuse him for everything..As for izzy he is very smart guy... 

@Padme all these years axl was the @@@@hole for press for fans for everyone.. iam tired of reading that he is the only guy who made mistakes... What about the others?? 

14 minutes ago, killuridols said:

LOL the last sentence is ace!  that's why I'm killuridols too, lol.

The Izzy girls.... I don't see a defense of Izzy that is blind and unreasonable so I hardly think of his fans as Izzy nutsswingers or zealots.... Maybe because Izzy is a mistery too and there's not much known about him, even when he was in the band, he was a guy straight to the point, never got involved in huge fights, or at least not publicly.

For izzy the band was over when he got sober...

For me Axl hold the band in years that all other members have serious problems with drugs and they couldnt give a serious interview they couldnt even speak..but the truth is that he was the main reason that other members left. Probably he wasnt able to handled all this publicity plus the problems with his depression. For steven although met him and he is very friendly guy..icannot take him seriously... He said many controversial things about his old bandmates blamed them for many things and from the other hand call them brothers.

Its from 93.. near to slash is gilby.. 93 was the worst year of duff the problems of drugs and alcohol it was in his face...i still remember an interview in mtv that year where he was in a real bad situation. It was a weekend dedicated to GNR. 

i dont know what to say anymore about steven,its a really confused person.. As for Iz,tori is right..there is big resemblance with other rockers.

5 hours ago, Dusty Bone said:

Thank you! Never seen this before!

Yeah, I think it's him. Couldn't watch it with music though, I'll do that as soon as I'm at home again 

i saw the video..the guy is not izzy. He also speaks to the people after the song

1 hour ago, Tori72 said:

Is this Izzy in the video? The one who comes on into view after Slash handed back his guitar, after the 1st song? He’s got black long hair and an Izzy cap. Cannot see much of the face but posture and everything looks Izzy-ish. Plays guitar next to Axl in 2nd song but no scarfs and no necklaces???  Watcha think? 

 

 

Τhats a real rare video.. Thanks tori!! Well no scarfs or neclases,but white guitar and similar glasses with video of sweet child..