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I put money on western conference.

Can someone update the scores for me if they have time!

Yeah made a thread about them back in November.

I would discribe them more as a Black Sabbath meets Deep Purple with Robert Plant'ish vocals.

I've known about them for over a year, and their sound gets a little boring over time now, i just hope their 2nd album has more veriation.

None the less their debut is a very solid rocking album.

Yeah I did some PR work for them at last years BDO. Thats how I got to know em.

I dont find the album really bores, its just that you can do albums like that to death if you dont mix it up a lil.

Just a mention to all you international people to check out an Aussie band called Wolfmother.

They are very cool indeed. They are a cross between the doors, led zeppelin and the white stripes. They rock out!

axl is a legend:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=81260

One of my dads friends saw GN'R in the late 80s and said they were on crap form.

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Well if one of your dads friends saw them in the late 80's and said they were shit,

As someone who was borderline too young to be allowed to go to one of their concerts at the time, Ive overcompensated with bootlegs and rare performances, and I can garuntee you that they were in their prime late 80's.

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So you're saying I should take your word, some kid's who happens to have bootlegs, over his, who was there and didn't happen to enjoy it? Sure!!

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It is possible for a band to have an off night. So what if he thought it was shit? Thats just one persons opinion for one single concert for which either they played crap, or your dads friend was in a shit mood or something.

Im merely pointing out that it is regarded by many that GNR were at their prime during the late 80s, because they were more modest, and real. Go and check out some of these shows to know what I mean.

One of my dads friends saw GN'R in the late 80s and said they were on crap form.

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Well if one of your dads friends saw them in the late 80's and said they were shit,

As someone who was borderline too young to be allowed to go to one of their concerts at the time, Ive overcompensated with bootlegs and rare performances, and I can garuntee you that they were in their prime late 80's.

Before the whole "How bout some Reggae" / "our horn section" saga's of the illusion tour , yet at a time where axl, slash and the rest were brilliant enough to be regarded as one of / THE worlds best band at the time. The 80's was about raw solid rock n' fuckin rock n' roll - which is what drew the fans to them in the first place...

yeah they are one band as well, where their music sounds so much better after youve seen them live.

Everytime i hear their songs, I just think of howlin pelle struttin his stuff

before I saw them i was sick of them, and bored by their music, but seeing them again has made the music like gold to my ears.

Crikey.

I saw these guys for the second time the other night...

Damn pelle is one of the best frontmen ever.

They are amazing. Second best band ive ever seen (after Gn'R, but you know Gn'R is something incomparable to any other band for me)

Long live the hives - you are as good as you say you are and more!

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Yeah but I havent seen GNR and never will because they broke up 10 years ago, but of course, gnr in the prime would be the best gig anyone could go to. Im thinking something late 80s...

Im going to the sydney show!

Ive got my tickets nice n close to the stage

Im gonna wear my GNR shirt in retalliation for all those people who wore their motley shirts at the VR gig.

I have heard many people saying how They are an amazing! live band.

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Yeah they just blow people away. Of course their music isn't for everyone, and there may be some things which people dont like about their music, but anyone who likes a good riff, and who goes and sees their show will dig it.

They win you over after the first song.

I thoroughly recomend them to anyone, even if you dont know much about them. (they are gonna write a new album so hopefully they will tour in about another years time. Unfortunately australia was the last place they were playing for this album (but then I cant wait to see them come back with new material and new onstage shenanigans)

Crikey.

I saw these guys for the second time the other night...

Damn pelle is one of the best frontmen ever.

They are amazing. Second best band ive ever seen (after VR, but you know VR is something incomparable to any other band for me)

Long live the hives - you are as good as you say you are and more!

define complex?

How many notes you can possibly fit into a single bar? Come on man, thats just shit. Thats why buckethead is crap. Complexity takes into a wider range of maturity and artistic values.

Wow...... So amazingly untrue.

GNR's complexity, creativity, originality, artistic values ect.... on a scale from 1-10 next to BucketHead's is at maybe a 2 or 3.

That statement of ignorance shows you have a lack of knowledge in the subject and follows through to what you have to say about Metallica.

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No sir,

its an informed opinion of someone who knows about music, not someone who thinks its cool to wear a bucket on my head and pretend I was raised by chickens.

GNR wrote songs, bucketheads writes - well I dont know what he writes, but its certainly not music.

But anyway, this isn't about buckethead so thats the last I will speak on the matter.

I cant believe this question is even ever debated..

the only reason metallica ever get a look in, is cos there are so many soggy oily nerds who think that they are cool if the put the black album up at top volume,

If you compare the bands critically, as well as entertainment factor, GNR are sooooo much better.

Most people who dont have any affiliation specifically with metallica or metal (i.e. they are just a rock or music fan in general) will think that GNR is better.

Axl Rose is the best frontman in the history of rock n roll (ok thats steppin out there, but I think he is, and hes certainly 1000 times better than hetfield). Aside from that you have one of the best guitarists of our time (slash of course). Slash ripps hammet to shreds. Hammet might be faster, but hes boring as batshit. He has no class when he plays, and he is the typical geek that picked up the guitar one day and figured out how to play it.

Metallica are sooo god damn lame, along with the rest of the metal genre. Theres no class in it whatsoever. Metallica will go down as unmemorable and simply one of those bands that managed to get fans at the time, but you would wonder why you ever thought they were as cool as you did. Take a look at just the general things that james says on stage, like the oi chants etc. I mean i got a lot of their bootlegs, and he is like a dumb fuck who has an iq of 10 herding his brainless followers. Compare this to the class of axl - simply no comparison.

Songwriting capabilities of guns is a world away from metallica. In guns you had at least 3 brilliant songwriters in the form of izzy, slash and axl. They all had ability and wrote some pretty brilliant songs. Metallica lacks this depth in songwriting talent with pretty much only lars and james at the head of songwriting, and well after st anger I think its fair to say theyve lost all talent.

Look at the complexity of songs like estranged, and coma, november rain etc. Its just far more mature writing. Most metallica songs are simply a repetitive riff with some over the top scaled solo at the end. One is probably metallicas best song, and its probably my fav. metal song, but its def not in the ballpark of any of the former mentioned gnr songs.

Lyrically metallica are woefull. I think the songwriting process they use is the cause of this. Axl is likely to come up with something he is emotional towards, write a poem, or at least a lyrical foundation, and then write the song around the meaning, whereas metallica just try to write the fattest riff they can find, and then get some lame vocal melody and look up the dictionary to find some words the syllbalically fit in.

Live shows for guns were way better. They were just a tight unit, and they were rock n roll. they managed to be cliche without being cliche. To know what I mean by this, when you look at guns n roses, you go - "Now thats a rock band" - they adhere to all the things that you need to do to be classified as this, but they dont look stupid doing it, unlike metallica and vitually everyother metal band from that era. Thats why GNR stand out amongst all those other bands

Album wise, well if you ask me metallica have only 5 albums worth considering

kill em all is shit

and the black album is crap

master of puppets, ride the lightning and justice for all dont rate up against appetite and illusions 1 and 2 (even with all the illusion fillers)

No comparison.

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So very true. I especially agree with the part about the songwriting talent.

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Probobly the most stupid post Ive ever seen. So if gnr are so great how does it come that they havent done anything for the last 12 years. And metallica is just getting bigger and bigger.

James Hetfield never cancel shows or leave shows and start riots because of some stupid reason hes always there to be the greatest front man ever. GNR only have Slash and Rose the others are in the back ground man have you ever seen Duff do a bass solo no. And how many times do Axl Sing good live well like 30% of the shows between 91-93. Metallica are loyal to their fans, thats something Axl never bin. Its much cooler to have a front man that Play guitar and Sing.

oh and this one is for you

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So what, your saying that because the beatles were only around for about 10 years and that metallica have been around for over 20, that metallica are better? What the hell does that have to do with anything. GNR achieved more in 6 years than metallica did in 20 from "which band is gonna go down in history" perspective. In the words out kurt cobain, its better to burn out than to fade away.... Metallica will fade away, whereas GNR will never have lost their integrity (excluding the whole new gnr fiasco).

Axl is a genious. He is irratic and this goes with his mental state. This is part and parcel of what rock n roll is. Watching him in some bootlegs like st louis, and the way he singles people out in the crowd etc - it makes the guy more interesting to watch. Sure riots arent great, and they dont work in their favour, but I doesn't take anything away from the brilliance of the band.

A frontman who sings and plays guitar is limited. Axl could never perform in the dynamic way that he did whilst being restrained to a guitar. Take a look at all the best frontmen in history - they never have a guitar (i.e. morrison, bowie, mercury, etc etc)

Axl's voice is sooooo unbelievably better than james hetfields that its not funny. You dug your own grave there. James cant sing for shit, on the record or live. He just goes into some deep tone because he cant sing anymore. Kill em all was his best vocal album, but he soon lost it. even on kill em all hes nowhere near the ability of axl.

As for the other members of GNR - duff is awesome, hes far cooler than at least jason and rob, cliff was just a geek just like kirk. Steven adler isn't a better drummer than lars, but steven has an amazing style which is so much better to watch and listen to.

And what about the whole mp3 thing? how can they be loyal to their fans if they sue them....

Songwriting capabilities of guns is a world away from metallica. In guns you had at least 3 brilliant songwriters in the form of izzy, slash and axl. They all had ability and wrote some pretty brilliant songs. Metallica lacks this depth in songwriting talent with pretty much only lars and james at the head of songwriting, and well after st anger I think its fair to say theyve lost all talent.

Look at the complexity of songs like estranged, and coma, november rain etc. Its just far more mature writing. Most metallica songs are simply a repetitive riff with some over the top scaled solo at the end. One is probably metallicas best song, and its probably my fav. metal song, but its def not in the ballpark of any of the former mentioned gnr songs.

That is probably the biggest piece of bullshit I've ever read. Metallica less complex than GNR?

Four Horsemen

Ride The Lightning

Call of Ktulu

-the entire Master of Puppets album-

-the entire ...And Justice for All album-

I love GNR, always have, always will. But Metallica tops them anyday.

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define complex?

How many notes you can possibly fit into a single bar? Come on man, thats just shit. Thats why buckethead is crap. Complexity takes into a wider range of maturity and artistic values.

Estranged is years ahead of anything from metallica...

And irrespective of that, GNR just have the ability to write bloody good songs (not necessarily complex or whatever). I mean appetitie for destruction would have more pop value than the entire best of metallica.

I mean sweet child o mine, thats classic stuff. But the thing is thats not a one off.

Far out, metallica is so gay.

I cant believe this question is even ever debated..

the only reason metallica ever get a look in, is cos there are so many soggy oily nerds who think that they are cool if the put the black album up at top volume,

If you compare the bands critically, as well as entertainment factor, GNR are sooooo much better.

Most people who dont have any affiliation specifically with metallica or metal (i.e. they are just a rock or music fan in general) will think that GNR is better.

Axl Rose is the best frontman in the history of rock n roll (ok thats steppin out there, but I think he is, and hes certainly 1000 times better than hetfield). Aside from that you have one of the best guitarists of our time (slash of course). Slash ripps hammet to shreds. Hammet might be faster, but hes boring as batshit. He has no class when he plays, and he is the typical geek that picked up the guitar one day and figured out how to play it.

Metallica are sooo god damn lame, along with the rest of the metal genre. Theres no class in it whatsoever. Metallica will go down as unmemorable and simply one of those bands that managed to get fans at the time, but you would wonder why you ever thought they were as cool as you did. Take a look at just the general things that james says on stage, like the oi chants etc. I mean i got a lot of their bootlegs, and he is like a dumb fuck who has an iq of 10 herding his brainless followers. Compare this to the class of axl - simply no comparison.

Songwriting capabilities of guns is a world away from metallica. In guns you had at least 3 brilliant songwriters in the form of izzy, slash and axl. They all had ability and wrote some pretty brilliant songs. Metallica lacks this depth in songwriting talent with pretty much only lars and james at the head of songwriting, and well after st anger I think its fair to say theyve lost all talent.

Look at the complexity of songs like estranged, and coma, november rain etc. Its just far more mature writing. Most metallica songs are simply a repetitive riff with some over the top scaled solo at the end. One is probably metallicas best song, and its probably my fav. metal song, but its def not in the ballpark of any of the former mentioned gnr songs.

Lyrically metallica are woefull. I think the songwriting process they use is the cause of this. Axl is likely to come up with something he is emotional towards, write a poem, or at least a lyrical foundation, and then write the song around the meaning, whereas metallica just try to write the fattest riff they can find, and then get some lame vocal melody and look up the dictionary to find some words the syllbalically fit in.

Live shows for guns were way better. They were just a tight unit, and they were rock n roll. they managed to be cliche without being cliche. To know what I mean by this, when you look at guns n roses, you go - "Now thats a rock band" - they adhere to all the things that you need to do to be classified as this, but they dont look stupid doing it, unlike metallica and vitually everyother metal band from that era. Thats why GNR stand out amongst all those other bands

Album wise, well if you ask me metallica have only 5 albums worth considering

kill em all is shit

and the black album is crap

master of puppets, ride the lightning and justice for all dont rate up against appetite and illusions 1 and 2 (even with all the illusion fillers)

No comparison.

Unlike others, im not gonna put this down to opinion. This is solid fact.

you know I dont mind the notion of INXS still going on, and I can even let the idea of the reality tv show slide

But its fucked when the show is this bad. The show is so americanised. Theres only one aussie. What the fuck is with that!!

And theres more females than guys.. Im sorry, but what are they trying to prove.

The singers suck. They are just shit. No class at all.

I could go and find a better singer in the pubs of sydney let alone this apparant worldwide (bullshit) search. More like a token audition in a few countries and then just basically take 14 americans and canadians so as to "suit" the american palate which cannot possibly watch anything unless its american.

Just a shame that its an aussie destroying an aussie band (mark burnett)

am i the only one disgraced by this!

im still trying to figure out the whole Oasis / GNR thing at RIR3.

I dont know if liam was being sarcastic when dedicating rock n roll star to axl but I spose its good anyway!

Anyone hear liam bag the shit out of every band in england and then turn around and say charlotte church was the bomb?

Hes pretty cool haha

Anyone got 2 (or one if only that) spare GA malb tickets???

Im flying down to see them as a spur of the moment decision but I dont have tickets. Im hoping to get some down there

if not some on forums would be awesome

call me on:

0403 965 846

thanks

Ok, this is absolutely a no brainer.....

I just want to see that the rest of you all see it and to eliminate any hint of doubt that may exist in the minds of anyone on this board to in fact confirm that the European music scene is faaaaaar better than anything from america....

America was the winner of the 50's

Europe was the winner of the 60's and 70's

America was the winner of the 80's and 90's

Europe is the winner of the 00's

(and by europe realistically I only mean the UK, with the occasional band from mainland europe such as the hives, mars volta etc etc coming in as contributors to this pool)

sum 41 is worse than jet

jet are fucken rubbish...

Not because they are bad, but because they are close to the biggest new band on the planet, yet have no more talent than to warrant them playing outside of the melbourne wastelands they came from.

I respect what they do as a good down to earth nitty gritty rock band who plays the occasional pub gig, but these guys have no right to be where they are today - headlining festivals, playing in front of the thousands and thousands of people who will one day be embarassed to say they got hot and dirty for Jet when the loose and grose fad becomes as unfashionable as it ever was cool.

Jet are completely rubbish live, and they go around thinking they are gods.

Ive seen them twice and theres a lot better out there....

Estranged for sure

The best rock bands in the world are as follows:

Razorlight

The Hives

Franz Ferdinand

The Killers

Betchadupa

Coldplay

Dallas Crane

Eskimo Joe

Evermore

Hope Of The States

Jet

Kasabian

Keane

Modest Mouse

Muse

Powderfinger

Radiohead

Scissor Sisters

Snow Patrol

Sparta

Starsailor

The Darkness

The Datsuns

The Music

The Stands

The Thrills

The Von Bodies

The Zutons

yeah... thats the main reason I hate festivals...

I far prefer seeing a band at their own gig.

I pretty much always get center barrier usually, so im not satisfied with anything less these days