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So we've gotten to the point of--

Poor Myles, guy can't even write lyrics with his usual themes w/o some of the GNR fan base wanting to apply it to Axl.

Poor Axl, any song about the subject being out of control and/or causing his own downfall is assumed to be about Axl. Throw in the subject becoming irrelevant and people think it HAS to be about Axl.

Might be time to lay off the pipe...

So how about everyone who assumes Sorry is about Slash? Should they lay off the pipe? I mean, Axl clearly said it isn't about anyone in particular.

But there's a big difference. Axl is always writing about ex-bandmates, ex-girlfriends, etc. CD was his My December album. There is a track record there unlike with Myles.

Crucify The Dead from Ozzy clearly about Axl. And Sorry clearly about Slash with its "Shut up and sing" reference and other lines obviously about Slash.

Axl writing lyrics about Slash far more plausible and even understandable than Myles writing and singing about Axl. The dots don't connect, IMO.

If Myles did write those lyrics about Axl, would be a huge bitch move and don't see that from him. You do?

So we've gotten to the point of--

Poor Myles, guy can't even write lyrics with his usual themes w/o some of the GNR fan base wanting to apply it to Axl.

Poor Axl, any song about the subject being out of control and/or causing his own downfall is assumed to be about Axl. Throw in the subject becoming irrelevant and people think it HAS to be about Axl.

Might be time to lay off the pipe...

Overall I'm digging a few tracks.

Already skipping some stuff.

17 tracks of Myles in a row is a bit hard to digest.

I hear some cool tracks musically but Myles sometimes drags them back to an '87 Sunset Strip vibe which doesn't work for me at all.

Some of the lyrics and melodies he comes up with...I dunno.

I think Slash has a solid backup band but for future releases if he wants to take things higher it might be time to look around for a new front man.

There are a few go to tracks for me, then I find myself hitting the skip button...nope...nope...nope.

Having said that, I looove these guys live and can't wait to see this tour a time or two.

Interesting. Wondered why you were being so quiet.

What you state is exactly how I felt about AL and had rather low expectations for this album--but I love Myles on this. No weariness at all which is shocking. So I even went back to AL to see if I had just "gotten use" to Myles now--and I still want to take a F'in sledgehammer to my speakers hearing Myles on faster AL tracks like Halo.

Total 360 for me on this record, but he does have a voice a lot of people aren't gonna take to. Commercially it's a detriment, don't think there's any doubt...

When he has to clarify that it isn't about anybody in particular, it's about someone in particular.

LOL.

Holy crap, backup singer even has Slash's hair!!!!

Wicked Stone's outro is probably one of the best pieces of music I've heard this year. The notes Slash's chooses give it a very dramatic and GNR-esque feel to it, around the 5:00 mark to be more precise... Shit, it's just too good. Amazing rock song.

...but the outro to The Unholy is the best outro on the album in my opinion. 4:40 it starts to build up, and everything from 5:20 on is the best work from Slash and Myles on the album.

Yes...and Yes. It took me a few listens to take the whole track in and actually pay attention to the lyrics. But damn, what a payoff, a masterpiece IMO...

How do you twist what he said into a positive though ?

Do you really think that young people are less passionate nowadays simply because they use other means to create music ?

He sounds rather clueless about how music is being made nowadays because I can grant you that making a modern electronic / pop record takes just as much or even more work than making an old school rock record does...

There was a very recent interview with Slash where he said he thought the EDM scene was cool because there's an audience culture building around it like there used to be for rock and other genres of music. His kids are probably into EDM as well.

Wasn't slamming it or trivializing it at all, though he does think it will be a fad with a certain shelf life. Hard to argue that.

Seems way taken out of context. Slash has talked endlessly in interviews about the state of the music industry in general, and rock specifically, and he's never had anything close to a tirade against musicians other than to say everything today is pop centric. And for those in rock you better love doing it for the music because it's not where labels and $$ are.

This article starts out saying he was "sneering". What was he reacting to, what was the context? Even in the vid below the article where he's taking about the state of rock, he's totally calm and consistent with past thoughts.

Sneering? Really?

Ozzy probably high-fived himself all day long after writing that line.

:D

Wouldn't surprise me if Sharon was getting the hi-fives. Almost seems too clever for the Oz Man at this point.

I don't know how it will sound when he's 60.

Probably like the studio version of Madagascar. Roll him out on a gurney.

Thing is, if he'd get his ass in shape and actually work on his vocals, he could sound far better at 60 than he does today.

But as he's cautioned, won't hold my breath...

Such sweet riffage.

Automatic Overdrive just continues to get better with every listen, my biggest climber of all since it started so low. And 30 Years to Life fun as all hell.

Cannot wait to hear this stuff live.

Nothing would be lamer than if these guys were still trading revenge songs(we just disagree on whether TFG qualifies). Like taking personal squabbles on the forum to PM, if Axl and Slash still have shit to get off their chests, meet and talk or fight, or vent to a shrink. Or just shut the fuck up. But don't be clogging up your albums with it 'cause, really, almost no one gives a shit anymore.

The lyrics were the worst part of CD and hopefully Axl can dig deep to find new subjects to go after other than the same ancient girlfriends and bandmates.

1 man singing about another man almost never comes off well. But if you are going to do it, better to rage than whine. The lesson of CD...

At the end of the day interscope is truly only interested in putting out a gnr album if slash is back.

Can you blame them? Whoever signed GNR in the first place never envisioned they were handing over so much cash to get a Slashless GNR record.

That was all a product of Axl's bait and switch to use the GNR name to fund his solo career.

The label rightfully has made his life hell for screwing them.

Interscope could have sold the album much better gaining Ac/dc sales figures, facts are they didn't know what to do with the record, seemed obvious to everyone else how to promote it.

No way the New GNR record was going to match AC/DC's 8M sales. Band was non-existent for far too long and fan base much too fractured.

If both bands put out another record, AC/DC will crush New GNR sales again. Probably an even wider margin. Would take a reunited GNR to match or beat AC/DC.

If he won't release anything with his world touring capable as hell band of 6 years when the hell will he release anything? BBF might just be the last 'showcase' guitarist he'll be able to have any sort of legitimate run at the mainstream with.

Nothing to prove regarding his contribution to the hallows of music but he chose to continue this band and claimed it wasn't just to fill arenas with the brand name.

Won't be long now 'till Axl is fuckin' 60 years old. Let's say he will release CD ll in 2 or 3 years...do you see how sad it will be? he wasted his primo years after Slash left trying to reconstruct the shit that died already when Izzy, Duff, and Slash left. Probably to prove himself, the old members, and the world he was Guns N' Roses.

Was it worth it? Idk. I love Chinese, I loved the 2002 line up, and I support this line up (cept of the emo bitch)

I don't know how it will sound when He's 60. How Jungle will sound, how the CD ll material will sound like. Probably not as good as it could have been if he released it 4 fuckin' years ago. Do I sound bitter?

And what is the chance for a fresh album written and recorded by this line up? in my opinion, the chance for that is: :lol: :rolleyes: :rofl-lol: :rofl-lol:

All because he's insane. He's insane, and he knows it. Totally fuckin' nuts.

See for a while it was pretty cool the way he operated, he was out there plugging away at the new tracks, representin' the old classics decently, giving us cryptic hints, rumours flew around... he was driving TOWARD something so we let it slide that he built the new band around the old stuff, then the album release clusterfuck, more line up changes, BBF good, Ferrer meh, Ashba a bit lacklustre, the world tour was stupendous, then Rio occurred and it was like seeing a terrified shell of a man up there... then he played it safe for a few tours, with some old classics thrown in, welcome but not exactly progress, neither is Duff coming in. BBF treated like a loyal dog, the most prodigious member besides Axl, finally we get some new old songs at the residency and Axl sounding like AXL again... then silence and no sign of recording. What is the mysterious one doing right now up at the mansion? Either tinkering or nothing and his band probably know as much as we do since they're all otherwise engaged in moving forwards.

What does it look like when you have a master guitar player like Bumble in your "band" and all you do with him for 8 fuckin' years is letting him play don't cry and Estranged and he gets so bored with it that he puts beads all over his beard for all to see?

Had been wondering why the hell he did that--makes sense now!!

This is being sold to make the Atlas Shrugged video.

LOL'd.

Okay, Shadow Life has now officially grown on me and I'd definitely add it to my list:

1. 30 Years To Life

2. Shadow Life

3. Wicked Stone

4. Bent To Fly

5. Beneath The Savage Sun

6. Withered Delilah

7. Battleground

8. Stone Blind

9. The Dissident

10. Iris Of The Storm

11. The Unholy

I also kind of like Dirty Girl, but not enough to put it on the main album. Would've made a nice iTunes bonus track or something.

I predict "Beneath the Savage Sun" and "Too Far Gone" will be the next 2 songs to smack you in the face

I think Too Far Gone is about Axl. I know Myles wrote the lyrics, but I think he wrote them about Axl.

Don't think so. But as they say, if the shoe fits...

Paranoia and victimization are like breathing in GNR Land. And I actually think Too Far Gone = Jarmo, Withered Delilah = Beta, Shadow Life = DJ and The Dissident = Ron. Whole damn thing a sneak attack concept album against New GNR.

Now Ozzy DID pen Crucify The Dead against Axl(great song BTW), but that's Ozzy. He goes way back with the guys, thinks of himself as an authority on all this stuff and likes to insert himself. Total opposite of Myles.

But for TFG to be about Axl, the conversation must've been something like this:

Slash: Man, I know I write the music and you write the lyrics, but you need to do me a favor. You need to make 1 of these 17 tracks an attack song on Axl.

Myles: What? You know I don't want to have anything to do with that and have purposely stayed away from the subject. Plus you never had Scott do an Axl attack song on the 2 VR records and he actually hated the guy!! This never came up when we did the AL album either.

Slash: Look man, this is embarrassing for me to have to ask you, but just do it. You owe me, right?

Myles: (Blinks, looks puzzled)

Slash: And here's the thing. As embarrassing as this was for me to have to ask you, and as awkward as this will be for you as I know you don't want to do it, you can't make the song too obvious. The lyrics need to be broad enough so that reviewers and no one else notices what we're doing here except the GNR fan board vets who can crack the code. This is really for them whether they love it or hate it.

Myles: Just got an idea, I'll start the song off with something about "A kingdom lost, a ransom paid, a dying wish you got your way".

Slash: What the fuck does that even mean? Doesn't sound like anything to do with Axl.

Myles: Exactly, it sounds like most of my lyrics in Alter Bridge. Almost no one will be able to figure out our attack agenda.

Slash: OK, cool, man. Sounds like we got a winner here. Tee-hee. Thanks Myles, you're my boy!!!

Bet Todd and Fitzie were in on it, too. Must've been total inspiration writing about the singer Slash left 20 years ago, that none of these guys even know. Good stuff!!!

That's Ozzy? lol. Yeah...and this is Myles and to me, Too Far Gone is obviously about Axl. No conspiracy against new Guns. But it is possible that someone like Myles who has a long and fruitful musical relationship with Slash will think about what went down between Axl and Slash and write those lyrics.

Why Ozzy and not Myles? when you read the lyrics, it really seems like it's about Axl. It's just my guess, not saying it's true, no need to get so defensive. It's not a big deal anyway. Myles is a lyricist just like Ozzy is.

Not being defensive, this is much ado about nothing. Just amazed at the line of thinking that assumes rock songs about a protagonist are Out Ta Get Axl. So was BBF's Piranha obviously about his time in GNR?

Why Ozzy and not Myles?

1. Ozzy has history with Old GNR, knew the members and was giving his viewpoint of the breakup and time spent since. Myles doesn't know Axl, only met Slash in the past 5 years and has absolutely no reason to give a shit about the breakup, let alone involve himself at this point. Unlike Ozzy, Myles is actively fronting Slash's band and is smart enough to know it is in his best interests, as he's demonstrated for several years now, NOT to touch the subject.

2. Slash has said on multiple occasions and included in his book that he was pissed at Scott for his ripping on Axl in his infamous diatribe. Slash has clearly said that it's OK if he(Slash) rips on Axl because he was there to experience it all and it's his fight. But pisses him off when others get involved. But we're supposed to believe that all the sudden Myles found inspiration to write and sing about Axl being "Too Far Gone"? You may know more about Myles than me, though I've seen him in countless interviews. Does this really seem in character for Myles to do?

3. Go read Alter Bridge lyrics. In most songs(like many rock songs) there is a similar protagonist and the lyrics could easily apply to Axl or any such breakup villain.

Look at the lyrics for Withered Delilah and swap out the WD for "Axl".

You are the clown for what you are

You had to break out every trick you could pull

But there comes a time where everything must turn off

Back to the start again

Back to the place where you come from

Stuck out of view

My withered delilah

You know it's true that no one cares anymore

Stuck out of view

You had your time

But now your moment is all but gone

Oh it's gone

Lost in a daze

What have you done?

Diggin' a grave to be your own

You're soon to fade

But just too blind to let go

Of what you had

And what you were

Irrelevance hurts but you're not alone

Stuck out of view

My withered delilah

You know it's true that no one cares anymore

Stuck out of view

You had your time

But now your moment is all but gone

So pack your diamond rings

All your pretty things

And just move along

'Cause there's always somebody else to replace you

When you are gone

(When you are gone, Hey yeah)

Stuck out of view

My withered delilah

You know it's true that no one cares anymore

Stuck out of view

You had your time

But now your moment is all but gone

Stuck out of view

My withered delilah

You know it's true that no one cares anymore

Stuck out of view

You had your time

But now your moment is all but gone

The moment is all but gone

The moment is all but gone

Oh it's gone

Any Setlist for last night yet ?

sure, i've just posted it:

You're A Lie

Nightrain

Halo

Standing In the Sun

Back From Cali

Stone Blind

You Could be Mine

Dr Alibi (Todd kerns)

Out Ta get Me

Wicked Stone

30 Years To life

Rocket Queen

Bent To Fly

Starlight

Automatic Overdrive

World On Fire

Anastasia

Sweet Child o' Mine

Slither

Paradise City

http://slash.gnrfrance.net/actualites-news-slash/slash-et-les-conspirators-jouent-au-whisky-a-gogo-toutes-les-infos-setlist-photos-videos-884.htm

Slash2baz, please tell Slash NEVER to have a setlist without By The Sword. Really cool that he switches things up, but that, Anastasia and probably Wicked Stone should be staples for every show.

Is that right about Heart--37 members?

Those Wilson sisters know how to burn through men. Miracle Cameron Crowe lasted as long as he did!!!

$1.99 since late 2008.

You'll have to guess what the 'spend' was on.

Slash mentioned in 1 of the vids that he personally spent 2 weeks toward the end just ordering and re-ordering the track list. Think he did a perfect job, nice flow throughout.

17 songs a lot to initially wrap your head around when judging the album, but longer term it's great to have the extra tracks. Helps reduce fatigue.

That said, if I had to remove 3 tracks, the choices would be WOF, Dirty Girl and Avalon. And Avalon really the only 1 I'm indifferent to, I like WOF and Dirty Girl. That bridge in Dirty Girl mighty tasty.

SLASH: 'World On Fire' First-Week Chart Positions Revealed

"World On Fire", the third album to be made available under the Slash solo banner, sold around 29,000 copies in the United States in its first week of release to land at position No. 10 on The Billboard 200 chart. The CD arrived in stores on September 16 via Slash's own label Dik Hayd International distributed through Roadrunner Records (Europe, Middle East, Africa and Latin America).

"World On Fire" first-week chart positions:

Switzerland: #1
Australia: #2
Germany: #2
Ireland: #2
Japan: #3
Finland: #3
Austria: #5
UK: #7
USA: #10

"World On Fire" is the second album to feature Slash's regular backing band, MYLES KENNEDY & THE CONSPIRATORS, and follows up 2012's "Apocalyptic Love", which sold around 38,000 copies in the United States in its first week of release to land at position No. 4 on The Billboard 200 chart.

Slash's self-titled debut album scored the highest new entry on The Billboard 200 chart in April 2010, with first-week U.S. sales of around 60,000 copies.

Although the "World On Fire" album title sounds like a political or social statement, Slash told The Pulse Of Radio it wasn't meant that way at first. "There's no social commentary originally about the album title," he said. "It was a song on the record basically about sex. But when I started looking for an album title, something about that title stuck out to me. I think it was because a lot of stuff has been going on — the whole thing with the Malaysian flight, and Israel, and all the stuff going on with Russia at the time. So 'World On Fire' all of a sudden had a much broader connotation."

On Slash self-titled solo effort he employed a different vocalist on each track, before settling on ALTER BRIDGE member Kennedy for both touring and eventually recording.

"Apocalyptic Love" earned Slash his two first-ever No. 1 U.S. rock radio hits with "You're A Lie" and "Standing In The Sun".

The former GUNS N' ROSES member and Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame inductee just wrapped up a summer tour with AEROSMITH and is now playing three shows in West Hollywood before heading out to Europe.

The shows are taking place at three legendary Hollywood music venues: the Troubadour on September 23, the Roxy on September 25 and the Whisky on September 26.

As previously reported, Slash has composed an original score for Clowns 3D, a new maze that will be featured as part of Universal Studios Hollywood's annual "Halloween Horror Nights" attraction. The maze and score will premiere on September 19 and run through the Halloween season.

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/slash-world-on-fire-first-week-chart-positions-revealed/

Wow, in the comments section, even James Brown chimes in.

Totally subjective, but for me WOF > Fortress though hard to compare as they are 2 very different records. And I just prefer Slash's playing over Tremonti's.

I can appreciate Tremonti as a player, but nothing he does really grabs you, AB is all about Myles' vocals and his solos are really the more memorable ones in that band. Tremonti always seemed too "metal" for me, but it's not that I don't enjoy metal playing, I love Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, Randy Rhoads, but Tremonti seems very much "I learned metal from a book" kind of player, very stiff, very square. Compared to how a guy like Dimebag Darrell did metal, which is all about spontaneity and playing for the moment, Tremonti's brand of heavy doesn't always do it for me.

Man, you totally nailed it. Couldn't agree more.

Totally subjective, but for me WOF > Fortress though hard to compare as they are 2 very different records. And I just prefer Slash's playing over Tremonti's.

It's the diversity of WOF over 17 tracks that makes it for me and keeps the record from sounding "too long".

Does anybody else think that Battleground or Iris of the Storm could have made a great album closer.

The Unholy obvious closer. Kind of drains you and leaves you with thoughts and lasting impression.

Would be tougher transitioning from that into a lesser meaningful track...

Would be hilarious if Axl and TB went inside not knowing of Slash's affiliation, are really enjoying themselves, and then the guitar picks up...starts to sound familiar and ....OH SHIIITTTT, WEEE'RE TRAAAAPPED!!!!!!

They completely freak out and start knocking everything and everybody over, trying to escape. Axl bites a clown's leg at the exit, drawing real blood, before disappearing into the dark night.