loko Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Anyway, his work on CLG record is mindblowing so I don't give a fuck if he received for this 1$ or 10000000$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todo Poderoso Timão Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Axl fucked the promotion. Nobody else.This.At the most, Robin's departure fucked the band, also 'cause it meant Ashba's arrival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr. address Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 IF IF IF BLAH BLAH BLAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Axl fucked the promotion. Nobody else.Just like he fucked Rio 2004? Nah... he's not the only one to blameIt's his band and he's the one calling the shots, so yeah, ultimately he is the one to blame.Stupid.If Buckethead left it was out of Axl's control and had no choice but to cancel.Always blaming the singer.I know, it makes me mad that people do that. Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven, Matt, Brain, Bucket, Finck. Were huge and tobias ever band members?How many producers and managers have left the band?If only there was one common factor in all those instances, spread out over the past 25 year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaeryen Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Axl fucked the promotion. Nobody else.this.but robin leaving probably fucked up axl, so there you go.the music video for better never surfaced because axl couldn't stand looking at robin in the video.robin is an enemy in axl's books forever, like slash, for leaving on the eve of his "masterpiece" coming out. simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ben Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Axl fucked the promotion. Nobody else.this.but robin leaving probably fucked up axl, so there you go.the music video for better never surfaced because axl couldn't stand looking at robin in the video.robin is an enemy in axl's books forever, like slash, for leaving on the eve of his "masterpiece" coming out. simple as that.Uh, you do know that Robin played "Better" with GNR in March at HOB? I hardly think he is an enemy.I don't think Robin's departure directly affected CD promotion because ultimately it comes down to Axl, but I think that things could have moved along, whether in terms of promotion or a follow up album with the rest of the new music, if one of the main contributors to CD (In terms of guitarist) was still in the lineup to make it relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaida Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I have information that leads me to believe robins departure fucked up chinese democracy promotion..These documents were to be released, Axl Rose would kill me.ok..who are you exactly ?The guy that knows the truth!!!!I can't believe ppl in here support Slash...god forbid Axl wouldn't reunite at the hall of fame, and now all of ya'll are pissy!!Azoff met with Finck and fired him..notice Robin has never said otherwise.whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ben Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 (edited) I have information that leads me to believe robins departure fucked up chinese democracy promotion..These documents were to be released, Axl Rose would kill me.ok..who are you exactly ?The guy that knows the truth!!!!I can't believe ppl in here support Slash...god forbid Axl wouldn't reunite at the hall of fame, and now all of ya'll are pissy!!Azoff met with Finck and fired him..notice Robin has never said otherwise.whatever A rumor like this has been circulating for a while but don't know where it originated, it could have been MisterSaintLaurent, who claimed to have a hard drive containing personal email correspondence, powerpoint presentations and the like.By the way, Robin - even while he was in GNR, hardly did any interviews or spoke about the band in any capacity, unless a fan met him in person..PS "Frantic" is a great film, still underrated I think Edited August 6, 2012 by ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finck6 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 axl caused robin's departure and fucked promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chokes Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Promoting the album with your lead guitarist gone AWOL would have been a huge problem, ultimately Axl could have promoted it anyway but he chose not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I never said it was solely for money. I said it was one of the main reasons as I think Robin's hopes with nuGnR had faded. But I guess you say money wasn't a factor then... did Robin express great artistic interest in Cee-Lo Green's Lady Killer Theme? How about that japanese Glee he recorded with?You implied that money was the primary interest when you said:He got an offer by his former employee, Trent Reznor, and took it, thinking he'd make more money out of it. Too bad he didn't and NIN doesn't tour anymore.Obviously with any job money is of SOME interest, such as "Am I getting paid for this?" because if you're not making money, it's volunteer work or slavery, duh.What does Robin playing on random tracks have to do with touring and being a member of NIN or GN'R? Nothing. Some things are done primarily for the money, but some things are not. You clearly just don't know how to differentiate.Also, the PASSPO thing... that's clearly for money. As for the song with Cee-Lo, that was a good album and track, so who cares if it was just for money or not? I don't know, maybe he really likes Cee-Lo, how do you know?Everyone does stuff for money and I'm really leaned to think Robin is no different. He's a good guitar player, no doubts but I think his departure from GnR did not cause any damage whatsoever to CD promotion UNLESS it meant fucking up a scheduled tour, which I don't remember reading about. Actually, in a way, I think by hiring DJ, it was a good promotional move for GnR. Not saying he's better than Finck (even though I prefer his stage presence and fan interaction). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustycage Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 So because Finck "left," Axl couldn't promote an album he spent so many years creating?How does that make any sense? If you were talking about a tour, maybe but the album would only benefit from promotion with or without Finck and I am sure Ron and Richard could easily fill in and do the horrible bends for Finck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finck6 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 So because Finck "left," Axl couldn't promote an album he spent so many years creating?How does that make any sense? If you were talking about a tour, maybe but the album would only benefit from promotion with or without Finck and I am sure Ron and Richard could easily fill in and do the horrible bends for Finck.because at the time robin finck was the lead guitar player both in guns n roses and on the chinese democracy album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funny_fish Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 (edited) Robin went back to NIN before Chinese Democracy had a release date. Also there was no tour in sight. Everyone does stuff for money and I'm really leaned to think Robin is no different.I'm not sure what you're still trying to prove since money has nothing to do with this thread topic and you don't seem to actually care about anything but your own theory. But I mean, at not one point do you question that touring/recording with NIN was more desirable than continuing to tour/write with GN'R for non-monetary reasons? Edited August 6, 2012 by funny_fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustycage Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 So because Finck "left," Axl couldn't promote an album he spent so many years creating?How does that make any sense? If you were talking about a tour, maybe but the album would only benefit from promotion with or without Finck and I am sure Ron and Richard could easily fill in and do the horrible bends for Finck.because at the time robin finck was the lead guitar player both in guns n roses and on the chinese democracy albumWho is probably the worst guitar player of the CD group. So what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Robin went back to NIN before Chinese Democracy had a release date. Also there was no tour in sight. Everyone does stuff for money and I'm really leaned to think Robin is no different.I'm not sure what you're still trying to prove since money has nothing to do with this thread topic and you don't seem to actually care about anything but your own theory. But I mean, at not one point do you question that touring/recording with NIN was more desirable than continuing to tour/write with GN'R for non-monetary reasons?Everyone does stuff for money and I'm really leaned to think Robin is no different. He's a good guitar player, no doubts but I think his departure from GnR did not cause any damage whatsoever to CD promotion UNLESS it meant fucking up a scheduled tour, which I don't remember reading about. Actually, in a way, I think by hiring DJ, it was a good promotional move for GnR. Not saying he's better than Finck (even though I prefer his stage presence and fan interaction). Did you notice you ignored the rest of my post? I'm not derailing the subject of the thread. I'm still talking about the impacts of Robin's departure on CD's promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funny_fish Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 (edited) Did you notice you ignored the rest of my post? I'm not derailing the subject of the thread. I'm still talking about the impacts of Robin's departure on CD's promotion.No I didn't ignore the rest of your post, I replied to the relevant parts above the quoted part about money. I said Robin left before there was a release date, and that there was no tour in sight. I'm still wondering why you think it's about money, but I know you don't know much about Robin so I don't know why I bother replying to that part. Edited August 6, 2012 by funny_fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Did you notice you ignored the rest of my post? I'm not derailing the subject of the thread. I'm still talking about the impacts of Robin's departure on CD's promotion.No I didn't ignore the rest of your post, I replied to the relevant parts above the quoted part about money. I said Robin left before there was a release date, and that there was no tour in sight. I'm still wondering why you think it's about money, but I know you don't know much about Robin so I don't know why I bother replying to that part.Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finck6 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 So because Finck "left," Axl couldn't promote an album he spent so many years creating?How does that make any sense? If you were talking about a tour, maybe but the album would only benefit from promotion with or without Finck and I am sure Ron and Richard could easily fill in and do the horrible bends for Finck.because at the time robin finck was the lead guitar player both in guns n roses and on the chinese democracy albumWho is probably the worst guitar player of the CD group. So what?so what? it's like this. slash is the lead guitarist of guns n roses and the lead guitarist of the UYI 1 and 2 records. but let's say just before the illusions albums come out.......slash mysteriously leaves the band. no reason or explanation. whether on his own or caused by axl rose. slash leaves. and as a result: illusions promotion is FUCKED. do you say "so what?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnRDuff1 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 So because Finck "left," Axl couldn't promote an album he spent so many years creating?How does that make any sense? If you were talking about a tour, maybe but the album would only benefit from promotion with or without Finck and I am sure Ron and Richard could easily fill in and do the horrible bends for Finck.because at the time robin finck was the lead guitar player both in guns n roses and on the chinese democracy albumWho is probably the worst guitar player of the CD group. So what?so what? it's like this. slash is the lead guitarist of guns n roses and the lead guitarist of the UYI 1 and 2 records. but let's say just before the illusions albums come out.......slash mysteriously leaves the band. no reason or explanation. whether on his own or caused by axl rose. slash leaves. and as a result: illusions promotion is FUCKED. do you say "so what?"I would, because Robin' EPIC This I love and also MORE EPICER Better solo are both MORE EPICERERER than Slash's November Rain solo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tange Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 i think it only matters in that if Axl had any plans to promote CD. Its obvious he didn't. The fact is Azoff is the guy that strong armed Axl to release CD. Otherwise we might still have no new music. Just think about that for a second. Also, most casual fans thought that Bucket was still the lead guitar player so it would not have mattered on that end either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanudo19 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 If the album was any good it woulda sold a ton. I like it (it's Axl Rose) but it's over-produced in my opinion.i like it when a person has nothing new to add to a conversation and just says chinese is over produced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finck6 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 i think it only matters in that if Axl had any plans to promote CD. Its obvious he didn't. The fact is Azoff is the guy that strong armed Axl to release CD. Otherwise we might still have no new music. Just think about that for a second. Also, most casual fans thought that Bucket was still the lead guitar player so it would not have mattered on that end either.it would have mattered. i just gave the example why. if slash left before illusions dropped in tower record stores....illusions promotion's FUCKEDthe same with robin. robin leaves and chinese democracy promotion's FUCKEDand for the record robin finck is the lead guitar player on chinese democracy album. not buckethead. not DJ. not ronald. robin is the lead guitar player on the album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisRoyalSweetness Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) i don't think robin was very hard to replace. it may have felt that way to axl at the time, but we all know he's prone to taking things hard and sinking into depression. if axl didn't tour because of robin, then robin was axl's excuse. there's no shortage of professional guitarists looking for gigs who are more than capable of playing gnr songs. to find someone of robin's caliber, all he'd have to to is visit his neighborhood guitar center and hire the first person he'd see. Edited August 7, 2012 by HisRoyalSweetness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auad Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 robin?who fuckin cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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