Georgy Zhukov Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Anyone else watch this? Man, I wonder who they hired to do their search? They might as well get their info off wikipedia, at least they got it right.Roosevelt worried about Stalin being a murdering tyrant? Sorry, Roosevelt was oblivious to that. Churchill was the one who worried. What do you expect from a populous network? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Yes, Roosevelt was fairly soft with Stalin as he was desperate for The Soviets to declare war on Japan. Also Britain had a different set of priorities considering we entered the war for Poland and had the exiled Polish government, the 'London Poles'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake-Pit Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Haven't you learned anything from the History Channel?WWII was started when the Count's new sweet ride was hijacked by Ancient Aliens and the Big Rig Bounty Hunters couldn't get it back, duh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 Yes, Roosevelt was fairly soft with Stalin as he was desperate for The Soviets to declare war on Japan. Also Britain had a different set of priorities considering we entered the war for Poland and had the exiled Polish government, the 'London Poles'. Churchill wanted to retake Yugoslavia, Greece and Poland before the Russians could. The problem was that the Germans could have easily diverted their forces and hold them off. Invading Normandy forced them to fight on two fronts far apart which made supply difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 Churchill and Roosevelt needed Stalin period. He had the numbers, the brilliant generals and since he is an autocrat, people are not likely to oust him. Stalin was very unpredictable, he would have been open to a temporary peace with Hitler so he can take the time to defeat the Allies who were democratic powers and defeats would have caused people to dislike the war. Normandy put an end to that. The Invasion itself was a moral booster and possibly the most impressive victory of all was the Falaise Pocket which lead to somewhere between 50,000 and 100,000 German killed and captured. Bagration was two or three times as much but still pretty good. It was over for the Germans after that. I wonder how they kept Hurtgen Forest under wraps? Probably the second most bloody American battle ever fought next to the Meuse-Argonne of 1918. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyman Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Only somewhat related, but I can't wait to see Ken Burns' The Roosevelts. Mainly for TR, but obviously FDR/Eleanor peaks my interest as well. You gonna watch, Georgy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 What channel is it on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyman Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 PBS on Sept 14th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 First day of my vacation, I might just watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyman Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I just read it's a 7 part series (2 hours each) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 PBS has some good stuff. I've been collecting the Laurence Rees series on World War II and Russia's War: Blood Upon the Snow which documents the history of the Stalin Years was great.Without Stalin, Nazi Germany would have never faced such a total defeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Laurence Rees is the chap who did Nazis: A Warning from History. Make sure you see that as it is one of the best documentary series ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 I've never gotten a chance to finish it. I think have watched the first half of it. Interesting how Hitler began his conquests from being a lowly corporal who conned his way to getting an Iron Cross first class, went on to take over a insignificant political party, then the Reitchstag, then finally pretty much every single key position such as Chancellor, President and Chief of military. I think at one point he even went for Field Marshal. Conquered most of Europe (his brilliant generals cannot go unmentioned) and nearly brought the Soviet Union to his knees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 i will watch any documentary/mini series that ken burns does. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 I can watch Ken Burns on Netflix. Must check him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I've never gotten a chance to finish it. I think have watched the first half of it. Interesting how Hitler began his conquests from being a lowly corporal who conned his way to getting an Iron Cross first class, went on to take over a insignificant political party, then the Reitchstag, then finally pretty much every single key position such as Chancellor, President and Chief of military. I think at one point he even went for Field Marshal. Conquered most of Europe (his brilliant generals cannot go unmentioned) and nearly brought the Soviet Union to his knees.He was a dispatch runner. Despite what some have claimed, his was not a cushy job behind the front. He was wounded twice, at the Somme, and during the 100 days offensive, and received the Iron Cross, Second and First Classes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 He was wounded twice by artillery if I can recall correctly. Second Class is what anyone in the service can receive but if you kiss enough ass, you can get the First Class. Being a runner may involve high risk, but during World War I the higher ranking officers typically serve at the rear and even if he did went to the front, it would be in relatively safety. Not like he went into No-Man's Land or behind enemy lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) I disagree. True he was not front line, but it was not like a cushy staff appointment either. Dispatch runners were expected to keep alive the communication channels between the front line and HQ. It was a job which necessitated some proximity to the frontline. The fact he was wounded twice, once by shrapnel, next, by Mustard Gas, speaks volumes. Hitler may have been the most loathsome individual ever born, but he was not a coward. Edited September 2, 2014 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 Never said he was. It was a risky job, but nothing he did ever warrant an Iron Cross, First Class. The superior officer who presented him that Iron Cross happened to be Jewish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Well that is gratitude for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 I believe his life was spared, along with his mother's physician. He did what he could to treat her. Hitler knew where to show gratitude when to be given.Stalin would have been like, "Fuck you, I'm Stalin." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I can watch Ken Burns on Netflix. Must check him out. if your a fan of baseball you must check out his documentary "baseball" from 1994 i think it was. he has some other great ones on prohibition, the dust bowl and world war II. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 Saved them all to my Netflix.I can watch Ken Burns on Netflix. Must check him out. if your a fan of baseball you must check out his documentary "baseball" from 1994 i think it was. he has some other great ones on prohibition, the dust bowl and world war II. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyman Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Tonight was the first episode. I didn't get to really watch it, but from what I did see it was a rehash of stuff I already knew. Granted, I just finished reading two TR biographies, but it covered basic information from what I saw. Hopefully the rest are a little more in-depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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