Would You Buy An "Axl" Ipod if they made one?

[GNRfan001]

id buy iy if i had enough money!!

[CoolHandLuke]

no, i already have an ipod.

Regarding problems with ipods. Mine crashed within the first four months. Luckily it was still under warranty. I asked the Apple guy at their "bar" and he said it was not unusual to have people coming back because of it crashing.

To the Bono people . . why don't you jerk off to Bono on a Bono forum not GnR.

[Idiot Wind]

Ipods are old news, even their "new" gimmick on-screen wheel.

The Creative Zen Vision:M's blow the Ipods out of the water. Better audio (Creative is THE Sound Card company), much better video quality (not even close).

I would rather have GnR do a Creative commercial, if they HAD to do one.

Talking out your arse.

If you want to show me that you're not - come up with some FACTs that demonstrate the how the audio properties are better on one versus the other. Ditto the video.

Watch the two side by side. I've used both. For me, there is no comparison. Creative makes a superior product. You'll have to look around for the specs. For video, the colors are sharper and more vibrant given the same source. Also, Creative's player plays many more formats than Apple's product.

People buy the Ipod because they are force fed the thing everywhere they go. The better, more versatile product is the Creative. Apple makes a nice product, but after using both current gen products, Creative does blow them out of the water.

Trendy does not = better technology.

Ipods are fine if you like them, do not take offense to what I am saying if you're an Apple lover. I'm not talking out of my ass, but giving you my informed opinion on a pair of items I took a long time to research.

By the way, nice Buckcherry icon. 15 is an excellent album.

he he - I get so tried of the Creative vs Apple argument I was hoping to see some actual facts. Otherwise you're talking about opinion. Technically the Creative DOES have deeper colour density, but the resolution is the same.

The audio comparison is what really interests me though. Everyone thinks they have the prettiest wife at home, it just stuns me that nobody happens to own both devices and an oscilloscope. Some proper measurements (ie - not opinion) would be awesome.

I 100% agree though - trendy does not equal better. Again, my search for facts goes on

Creatives are more reliable, for starters. I own an iPod. My first broke within four months and I didn't do anything to it - never dropped it, even. First the clicker began to slowly stop responding. By about five or six months it wouldn't respond at all, the battery would only last thirty minutes, and eventually it wouldn't turn on. Apple ran me through a series of diagnostics before determining the hardware was faulty - they sent me a free replacement.

Well, guess what! I've had it for about five months now, and it crashed. I was in the car driving to my relatives' house and I was listening to a song, I clicked "Next" and the next song wouldn't play. Then it froze up. I reset it, and every time I tried to play a song it would freeze for a second before skipping the song. It did this to all the songs. It just skipped every song in my library and would keep going to the next song, pause and skip again.

I reset it again and then it wouldn't load anything. It took me to the first-time setup screen, I chose the language and then it didn't recognize that any music was on my device. (But the music was definitely there.)

I checked Apple's website. They said based on my experience - which they claim is NORMAL to happen - "the only thing to do is send it in for a replacement."

At this point, my warranty was dead. So I took my chances and partitioned the hard drive of the iPod using FAT file system.

Guess what? When I restarted it, IT WORKED FINE! So Apple's just money-hungry. I checked a tech forum and they said this is a very common problem for iPod users, and partitioning the drive fixes it every time, but Apple refuse to tell people this.

ANYWAY...I worked at an entertainment store and iPods were constantly returned after breaking. I talked to someone at Circuit City about a month ago and he said the ratio of iPod to Creative Zen returns is something like 1/10. He said Creatives are better.

Now, I don't know about the quality of music, but the hardware is obviously better. It's more reliable. And it supports more formats, as opposed to the iPod which is in its own world and has its own extension.

credibility = 0

You cannot make a factual statement about the reliability of the hardware of both vendors based off your limited experience and some Johnny no-stars at Circuit City. That's ridiculous. If you have some FACTS to back up your claim then let's see them.

Secondly you don't partition a drive with FAT, FAT is the file format.

Lastly - what are you talking about re "and has its own extension"? Again, no credibility. For audio if you choose not to use MP3 you can use AAC, which is a technically superior format for MP3. AAC is part of the MPEG-4 standard.

To highlight this - WMA = Microsoft proprietary. AAC = Part of MPEG-4 standard. See how wrong you are?

You MIGHT be talking about Fairplay DRM, which IS an Apple specific extension. Microsoft use a proprietary extension to their proprietary format (which is what you're using on the creative if you use WMA), AAC with Fairplay is a proprietary extension to a public format.

If you want to express you opinion, that's all cool. Just don't try to express it as fact, and maybe stick to what you know.

[sarcasm]Oh, aren't you smart. Give yourself a pat on the back. Really. I'm in awe. [/sarcasm]

I was explaining my experiences with iPods. You're allowed to give your opinion - there's my opinion. You said you wanted to "hear more facts" - that stuff happened to me. Fact. Whether or not it happens to everyone I never said was a "fact." Claiming the hardware is more reliable in a Creative was my opinion.

Of course, if you can't handle opinions and can't learn to separate the factual from the subjective, perhaps it would be in your best interest to stop posting on an Internet message board for a while and re-evaluate your perception of what, in fact, a message board is. Because any time someone writes something here dealing with their thoughts on music, hardware or anything else - it's an opinion. There is no official document lurking out there definitively stating that iPods are better than Creatives or vice versa. Therefore, people have the right here to say whatever the hell they want - if you've got a problem with it, go sing Horst Wessel Lied and have fun.

Secondly you don't partition a drive with FAT, FAT is the file format.

All I know is that I followed a guide off a website that said you can partition the iPod using FAT. I'm just writing what they wrote. If they're wrong, fine. Don't tell me to "stick to talking about what know" - all I know is that I followed their guide and it worked.

Lastly - what are you talking about re "and has its own extension"? Again, no credibility. For audio if you choose not to use MP3 you can use AAC, which is a technically superior format for MP3. AAC is part of the MPEG-4 standard.

I'm talking about the DRM.

[stevGNR666]

what's an ipod?

[November_rain]

don't hold your breath.AXL ISN'T A SELL OUT LIKE BONO

If he "sells out" does that mean he's no longer your savior?

I would rather see Axl make the money then somebody else.

BTW, Bono ain't a sellout . A lot of poor countries of better because of him. If Axl did follow in Bono footsteps, the world might actually be a better place. He's one of the last great frontman in rock that could possibly make a huge difference for world peace.

But Axl cares more about Swedish blondes, so who knows ....

Sorry dude but a lot of people know that Axl gives money anonimously to some charity organizations, and maybe he does it anonimously because he does it from the heart and doesn´t need to be told how cool and what a good person he is because of this. Even Slash said it himself in the past!

A lot of artists give money to help poor people and don´t need any kind of "public recognition" for that.

Edited July 14, 2006 by November_rain

[HuskerTornado]

Ipods are old news, even their "new" gimmick on-screen wheel.

The Creative Zen Vision:M's blow the Ipods out of the water. Better audio (Creative is THE Sound Card company), much better video quality (not even close).

I would rather have GnR do a Creative commercial, if they HAD to do one.

Talking out your arse.

If you want to show me that you're not - come up with some FACTs that demonstrate the how the audio properties are better on one versus the other. Ditto the video.

Watch the two side by side. I've used both. For me, there is no comparison. Creative makes a superior product. You'll have to look around for the specs. For video, the colors are sharper and more vibrant given the same source. Also, Creative's player plays many more formats than Apple's product.

People buy the Ipod because they are force fed the thing everywhere they go. The better, more versatile product is the Creative. Apple makes a nice product, but after using both current gen products, Creative does blow them out of the water.

Trendy does not = better technology.

Ipods are fine if you like them, do not take offense to what I am saying if you're an Apple lover. I'm not talking out of my ass, but giving you my informed opinion on a pair of items I took a long time to research.

By the way, nice Buckcherry icon. 15 is an excellent album.

he he - I get so tried of the Creative vs Apple argument I was hoping to see some actual facts. Otherwise you're talking about opinion. Technically the Creative DOES have deeper colour density, but the resolution is the same.

The audio comparison is what really interests me though. Everyone thinks they have the prettiest wife at home, it just stuns me that nobody happens to own both devices and an oscilloscope. Some proper measurements (ie - not opinion) would be awesome.

I 100% agree though - trendy does not equal better. Again, my search for facts goes on

Creatives are more reliable, for starters. I own an iPod. My first broke within four months and I didn't do anything to it - never dropped it, even. First the clicker began to slowly stop responding. By about five or six months it wouldn't respond at all, the battery would only last thirty minutes, and eventually it wouldn't turn on. Apple ran me through a series of diagnostics before determining the hardware was faulty - they sent me a free replacement.

Well, guess what! I've had it for about five months now, and it crashed. I was in the car driving to my relatives' house and I was listening to a song, I clicked "Next" and the next song wouldn't play. Then it froze up. I reset it, and every time I tried to play a song it would freeze for a second before skipping the song. It did this to all the songs. It just skipped every song in my library and would keep going to the next song, pause and skip again.

I reset it again and then it wouldn't load anything. It took me to the first-time setup screen, I chose the language and then it didn't recognize that any music was on my device. (But the music was definitely there.)

I checked Apple's website. They said based on my experience - which they claim is NORMAL to happen - "the only thing to do is send it in for a replacement."

At this point, my warranty was dead. So I took my chances and partitioned the hard drive of the iPod using FAT file system.

Guess what? When I restarted it, IT WORKED FINE! So Apple's just money-hungry. I checked a tech forum and they said this is a very common problem for iPod users, and partitioning the drive fixes it every time, but Apple refuse to tell people this.

ANYWAY...I worked at an entertainment store and iPods were constantly returned after breaking. I talked to someone at Circuit City about a month ago and he said the ratio of iPod to Creative Zen returns is something like 1/10. He said Creatives are better.

Now, I don't know about the quality of music, but the hardware is obviously better. It's more reliable. And it supports more formats, as opposed to the iPod which is in its own world and has its own extension.

Creative doesn't have a 30 GB HDD

that settles it for me

Did you click the link I provided? The link is for the 30GB player...

[HuskerTornado]

Ipods are old news, even their "new" gimmick on-screen wheel.

The Creative Zen Vision:M's blow the Ipods out of the water. Better audio (Creative is THE Sound Card company), much better video quality (not even close).

I would rather have GnR do a Creative commercial, if they HAD to do one.

Talking out your arse.

If you want to show me that you're not - come up with some FACTs that demonstrate the how the audio properties are better on one versus the other. Ditto the video.

Watch the two side by side. I've used both. For me, there is no comparison. Creative makes a superior product. You'll have to look around for the specs. For video, the colors are sharper and more vibrant given the same source. Also, Creative's player plays many more formats than Apple's product.

People buy the Ipod because they are force fed the thing everywhere they go. The better, more versatile product is the Creative. Apple makes a nice product, but after using both current gen products, Creative does blow them out of the water.

Trendy does not = better technology.

Ipods are fine if you like them, do not take offense to what I am saying if you're an Apple lover. I'm not talking out of my ass, but giving you my informed opinion on a pair of items I took a long time to research.

By the way, nice Buckcherry icon. 15 is an excellent album.

he he - I get so tried of the Creative vs Apple argument I was hoping to see some actual facts. Otherwise you're talking about opinion. Technically the Creative DOES have deeper colour density, but the resolution is the same.

The audio comparison is what really interests me though. Everyone thinks they have the prettiest wife at home, it just stuns me that nobody happens to own both devices and an oscilloscope. Some proper measurements (ie - not opinion) would be awesome.

I 100% agree though - trendy does not equal better. Again, my search for facts goes on

Creatives are more reliable, for starters. I own an iPod. My first broke within four months and I didn't do anything to it - never dropped it, even. First the clicker began to slowly stop responding. By about five or six months it wouldn't respond at all, the battery would only last thirty minutes, and eventually it wouldn't turn on. Apple ran me through a series of diagnostics before determining the hardware was faulty - they sent me a free replacement.

Well, guess what! I've had it for about five months now, and it crashed. I was in the car driving to my relatives' house and I was listening to a song, I clicked "Next" and the next song wouldn't play. Then it froze up. I reset it, and every time I tried to play a song it would freeze for a second before skipping the song. It did this to all the songs. It just skipped every song in my library and would keep going to the next song, pause and skip again.

I reset it again and then it wouldn't load anything. It took me to the first-time setup screen, I chose the language and then it didn't recognize that any music was on my device. (But the music was definitely there.)

I checked Apple's website. They said based on my experience - which they claim is NORMAL to happen - "the only thing to do is send it in for a replacement."

At this point, my warranty was dead. So I took my chances and partitioned the hard drive of the iPod using FAT file system.

Guess what? When I restarted it, IT WORKED FINE! So Apple's just money-hungry. I checked a tech forum and they said this is a very common problem for iPod users, and partitioning the drive fixes it every time, but Apple refuse to tell people this.

ANYWAY...I worked at an entertainment store and iPods were constantly returned after breaking. I talked to someone at Circuit City about a month ago and he said the ratio of iPod to Creative Zen returns is something like 1/10. He said Creatives are better.

Now, I don't know about the quality of music, but the hardware is obviously better. It's more reliable. And it supports more formats, as opposed to the iPod which is in its own world and has its own extension.

Creative doesn't have a 30 GB HDD

that settles it for me

True, plus the screens and controls are weird.

I much prefer iPod's, as do most others, as if they were an inferior product, no one would buy them.

And I would by an axlPod.

Again, do some searching before you look like a fool. The link I provide takes you to the 30GB player. I own this. If it didn't exist, how would I have one?

Controls are weird? Only if you are used to the Apple clickwheel. The thumb-bar is excellent, and you control it's responsiveness. Screens are weird? I have noticed zero issues with either Creative or Apple's menus.

You prefer Ipods because you never bothered to look at anything else, so you bought what was on TV and jammed down your throat. Why do you prefer it? You

If we were all like you, everyone would wear a one-piece silver jumpsuit with a big V down the middle.

Ever heard of the Beta/VHS format war from the late 70s into the 80s? Sony's Beta was higher in quality than the JVC VHS format. Both in audio and video quality. Beta was slightly more expensive and Sony controlled all media that was put out on tape (one main reason it failed was, believe it or not, the lack of porn - Sony did not allow it).

VHS was a inferior product and more people bought it. Your theory holds zero water.

[ChrisXGNR]

I would never buy an Axl Ipod. It would take 10+ years for the battery to charge and would quit playing songs because it got pissed off at me.

[drops_of_jupiter]

I would never buy an Axl Ipod. It would take 10+ years for the battery to charge and would quit playing songs because it got pissed off at me.

Indeed. Plus, when the songs eventually played--the musicians would keep changing. Changing it's cover after every 3 songs would also suck.

[knightrider]

BTW, Bono ain't a sellout . A lot of poor countries of better because of him. If Axl did follow in Bono footsteps, the world might actually be a better place. He's one of the last great frontman in rock that could possibly make a huge difference for world peace.

But Axl cares more about Swedish blondes, so who knows ....

Sorry dude but a lot of people know that Axl gives money anonimously to some charity organizations, and maybe he does it anonimously because he does it from the heart and doesn´t need to be told how cool and what a good person he is because of this. Even Slash said it himself in the past!

A lot of artists give money to help poor people and don´t need any kind of "public recognition" for that.

I'm sure Axl gives money to a lot of charities. Despite his flaws and temptations he is a person of God. But I wasn't actually talking about charities and giving money away.

What Bono has done is used his celebrity status and influence to focus people's attention to real problems facing mankind in the world. Sure, he could just "anonimously" give money to charities, but that money can only go so far before it runs out. He's only one person. Ultimately, only governments of the world can make the changes needed. But the only way to get the government to do good is to influence the public who elects them. So, Bono gives money to his cause, but more importantly, he creates a greater social awareness of the problems so that people like you and I can voice our opinions to our governments to make changes.

Sure, maybe Bono, might have a hidden selfish agenda. But as long as what he's doing is making the world better then who cares.

It would be great to have someone like Axl lead some positive social movement. Maybe he can get North Korea and Iran to stop building nuclear bombs? Or, maybe he can be the guy who gets the Jews and Arabs to finally find peace among each other. "Get along, or get in the ring with me! Because I'm GOD" LOL

Edited July 15, 2006 by knightrider

[Howard2k]

blah... blah... blah...

I'll make it really easy for your.

* In my opinion, the Creative device is much better....

* Creative seems to have a much better product...

* I don't believe that the iPod comes close to the reliability of the Creative....

These are all ways of expressing opinion.

* Creatives are more reliable, for starters....

Is a way of expressing a fact. In this case it's not something that you have proven one way or the other.

You expressed it as fact and I pointed out that it wasn't fact, it was opinion. But I was perhaps a little harsh. No offence intended.

[Zint]

Remember the U2 Commercials with Bono rocking out in a silhouette? Imagine the first few notes from Better or IRS with a silhouette version of axl.

Here is the TV caption.

"Not the Same"....BETTER.

"not the same would refer to the old band and the old Ipod"

The new GNR Ipod.

Red with black chinese characters,

Includes the most anticipated rock album of all time.

no...wouldn't buy it

[pebbles]

I love axl but i DO NOT get into this chinese shit,. if that was on there i would not buy it. if it wasnt i would. thats just me. nothing againt chinese, just dont like the theme.

[appetite for illusions]

I love axl but i DO NOT get into this chinese shit,. if that was on there i would not buy it. if it wasnt i would. thats just me. nothing againt chinese, just dont like the theme.

WTF?

[pebbles]

I love axl but i DO NOT get into this chinese shit,. if that was on there i would not buy it. if it wasnt i would. thats just me. nothing againt chinese, just dont like the theme.

WTF?

its not that complicated to understand,,duh,

[nikkisixx]

i would buy it

[Idiot Wind]

blah... blah... blah...

Mature.

I'll make it really easy for your.

My what?

* Creatives are more reliable, for starters....

Is a way of expressing a fact. In this case it's not something that you have proven one way or the other.

Pay attention to the second sentence. Therein lies the reason it's an opinion.

I said it's more reliable. Opinion. However I phrase the statement is irrelevant. I could say, "Zens are the best piece of hardware in the world." Opinion. I never said it was a fact. I didn't present evidence - therefore I was not arguing whether they are statistically better, I was providing personal experiences to support my opinion.

You expressed it as fact and I pointed out that it wasn't fact, it was opinion. But I was perhaps a little harsh. No offence intended.

Same here. Let's just forget about it. I apologize also if I came across rudely or arrogantly.

[lawrence]

Remember the U2 Commercials with Bono rocking out in a silhouette? Imagine the first few notes from Better or IRS with a silhouette version of axl.

Here is the TV caption.

"Not the Same"....BETTER.

"not the same would refer to the old band and the old Ipod"

The new GNR Ipod.

Red with black chinese characters,

Includes the most anticipated rock album of all time.

no i wouldn'y buy one

[Chris Axl]

Remember the U2 Commercials with Bono rocking out in a silhouette? Imagine the first few notes from Better or IRS with a silhouette version of axl.

Here is the TV caption.

"Not the Same"....BETTER.

"not the same would refer to the old band and the old Ipod"

The new GNR Ipod.

Red with black chinese characters,

Includes the most anticipated rock album of all time.

yeeeees, oh god, YES!

[appetite for illusions]

Reserve me a copy damnit!

[mr. moustache]

* In my opinion, the Creative device is much better....

It was until mine started working incorrectly. Now if I go to some menus it will shut itself down. It wont continue from the last song I played anymore. Can't even record anymore. Or save FM stations. And now recently, it randomly makes screeching noices on top of songs, making them unlistenable. Same kind of things happened to my sister's MuVo. That's not what a quality device is supposed to do. Thanks a lot Creative.

my sound doesnt work at all anymore and i only got it for Christmas. Thanks a lot also, Creative.

[PurpleHaze]

I aleady have a 30GB iPod so I probably wouldn't buy a GnR iPod unless it was a next gen one. As far as the Apple vs Creative argument goes, I've used quite a few of mp3 players in my time and Creative, Iriver and others have superior hardware to Apple easily... there's no real debate about this. The one big plus for the iPod though and the reasson why I bought it is the software integration is fantastic and the iTunes music store rules. This might all change however, when Microsoft releases their iPod competitor which would use the new Windows Media Player (which I quite like), creating a serious ITunes rival.

Edited July 15, 2006 by PurpleHaze

[username05]

Bono is a fag.

and a wise man once said "AIDS KILL FAGS DEAD"

A wise man also once said you're a fucking idiot. Oh, wait, no. That was me. Sorry.

You are pardoned. we all know you are not a wise man, but an idiot.

Thanks for the wild turkey and the passenger pigeons, destined to be shit out through wholesome American guts.

Thanks for a continent to despoil and poison.

Thanks for Indians to provide a modicum of challenge and danger.

Thanks for vast herds of bison to kill and skin leaving the carcasses to rot.

Thanks for bounties on wolves and coyotes.

Thanks for the American dream, To vulgarize and to falsify until the bare lies shine through.

Thanks for the KKK.

For black person-killin’ lawmen, feelin’ their notches.

For decent church-goin’ women, with their mean, pinched, bitter, evil faces.

Thanks for “Kill a Queer for Christ” stickers.

Thanks for laboratory AIDS.

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs.

Thanks for a country where nobody’s allowed to mind their own business.

Thanks for a nation of finks.

Yes, thanks for all the memories—all right let’s see your arms!

You always were a headache and you always were a bore.

Thanks for the last and greatest betrayal of the last and greatest of human dreams.

Live the American dream, username05. You're fulfilling it.

yada yada yada....

that must be the most pathetic crap I read in my life. does anyone actually take that shit seriously?

AIDS killed my aunt dead - and I'm pretty sure she wasn't a fag? Run out and get the t-shirt kids. Just like BAZ! I hope that's as close to it as you get. And I hope everyone you come across when you're wearing it is as open-minded and forward thinking as you are with regard to humor. I wouldn't wear it in my city. -

than she should have been more carefull about who she shares her needle with.

Edited July 15, 2006 by username05

[ChrisXGNR]

Creative has way better kick ass sound quality then the Ipod's but, I had a Zen Micro WOW Defective as fuck Headphone jack broke. I busted it on the ground because i burned $200 on a piece of shit.

[jkdrummer]

ipod are actually making an ipod for guns n roses its on the ipod website it says guns n roses ipod coming soon