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21 hours ago, soon said:

 

Good old Harry.  He had the first million selling album yknow.  

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5 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

Good old Harry.  He had the first million selling album yknow.  

No I had no idea - a well earned distinction.  I wish that the celebrated artists of today were as informed and well spoken.  And that popular discourse in traditional media wasnt so base now.

Like in this The Tonite Show clip guesting host Belafonte interviews RFK and prompts this response about the foundational lie of America: equality 

 

 

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No I had no idea - a well earned distinction.  I wish that the celebrated artists of today were as informed and well spoken.  And that popular discourse in traditional media wasnt so base now.

Some of them are.  Interviews nowadays are a cocksuck though, it's all just fuckin' commercial telly shit, wheel out Keith Richards tale of 'that time when Chuck Berry smacked me in the mouth' or asking Roger Daltrey 'what was Keith Moon REALLY like?', or Paul McCartney wheeling out some old chestnut about how that arrogant acerbic scouse bastard Lennon was really 'a lovely guuy, y'know'.  And the younger artists are even worse, awful shrill voiced little rats moaning about their 'brand' or how they've 'tried to do something different with this album' when they blatantly fuckin' haven't.

And part of it is to do with the interviewers.  Like Jimmy Fallon is an awful fawning weasel of a man.  Its a reciprocal relationship though, the 'artist' is there to sell you a product and the 'interviewer' (cuz they've never journalists now) is there to facilitate the sale of that product, which often is part of a twin interest between the corporate entity that promotes said talk show and said product artist is trying to flog you.  So they lick each others arses, pause in all the right spots to invite applause and everything keeps ticking over nicely.

But then we as fans don't like tough searching interviewers anyway, just go on youtube and click on any interviewer from back in the day, ones who pressed on certain question or put forward vaguely challenging propositions and you see a swarm of youtube fanboys going 'OHMIGOSH, that interviewers being such a dick!'.  Its a fuckin' agreed upon thing though...ever see that interview with Martin Bashir and Tarantino and Tarantino goes off about how 'this is a commercial for my movie!'?  Its all that sort of thing now.  Shame.  But hey, the product reflects the people it comes from, what do you expect but wank from wankers?

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Agreed.  I havent seen the Tarantino thing but not surprised.  

The RFK clip is The Tonight Show in 1968

This is The Tonight Show in 2016:

 

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7 minutes ago, soon said:

Agreed.  I havent seen the Tarantino thing but not surprised.  

The RFK clip is The Tonight Show in 1968

This is The Tonight Show in 2016:

 

Compare that to Nixon Frost.  And y'know whats funny, even Frost wasn't considered among the weighty interviewers of the day, people like William F Buckley and so forth, David Frost was like an ambitious TV satirist...and yet he was so into the job that he got that amazing piece of work done, considered like a defining moment in TV journalism.  

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25 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Compare that to Nixon Frost.  And y'know whats funny, even Frost wasn't considered among the weighty interviewers of the day, people like William F Buckley and so forth, David Frost was like an ambitious TV satirist...and yet he was so into the job that he got that amazing piece of work done, considered like a defining moment in TV journalism.  

Makes me sad to think about.  But that said, I did just happen to listen to a great interview on our Canadian public broadcaster this morning with comedian Judah Friedlander that was, imo, really engaging and thoughtful.  Friedlanders new netflix special is called "America is the Greatest Country In the United States."  But its few and far between these days.

If anyones interested it can be found here by clicking in the blue "Listen" link under the Picture of the two of them.

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/q/judah-friedlander-is-trying-to-find-comedy-in-uncommon-places-1.4395295

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3 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

Some of them are.  Interviews nowadays are a cocksuck though, it's all just fuckin' commercial telly shit, wheel out Keith Richards tale of 'that time when Chuck Berry smacked me in the mouth' or asking Roger Daltrey 'what was Keith Moon REALLY like?', or Paul McCartney wheeling out some old chestnut about how that arrogant acerbic scouse bastard Lennon was really 'a lovely guuy, y'know'.  And the younger artists are even worse, awful shrill voiced little rats moaning about their 'brand' or how they've 'tried to do something different with this album' when they blatantly fuckin' haven't.

And part of it is to do with the interviewers.  Like Jimmy Fallon is an awful fawning weasel of a man.  Its a reciprocal relationship though, the 'artist' is there to sell you a product and the 'interviewer' (cuz they've never journalists now) is there to facilitate the sale of that product, which often is part of a twin interest between the corporate entity that promotes said talk show and said product artist is trying to flog you.  So they lick each others arses, pause in all the right spots to invite applause and everything keeps ticking over nicely.

But then we as fans don't like tough searching interviewers anyway, just go on youtube and click on any interviewer from back in the day, ones who pressed on certain question or put forward vaguely challenging propositions and you see a swarm of youtube fanboys going 'OHMIGOSH, that interviewers being such a dick!'.  Its a fuckin' agreed upon thing though...ever see that interview with Martin Bashir and Tarantino and Tarantino goes off about how 'this is a commercial for my movie!'?  Its all that sort of thing now.  Shame.  But hey, the product reflects the people it comes from, what do you expect but wank from wankers?

I really agree with what you're saying, I fucking hate phonies like Kimmel and Fallon but I think that guy interviewing Tarantino was a snide chill, he wasn't challenging him he was bringing out the same tired question Tarantino has been asked over and over, so I don't blame him for reacting like that.

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14 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

I really agree with what you're saying, I fucking hate phonies like Kimmel and Fallon but I think that guy interviewing Tarantino was a snide chill, he wasn't challenging him he was bringing out the same tired question Tarantino has been asked over and over, so I don't blame him for reacting like that.

I kind of do because...by getting all agitated like that you kinda let them win.  Like why are you losing your cool?  And just the entire arrogance of 'this is a commercial for my movie', it kinda makes the whole process sort of like an empty walk through.  Bashir is a snide but see we all meet them in life, I just don't think reacting like that is of any value ultimately.  I totally get the idea that he thinks, probably rightly, that Bashir is trying to frame the whole thing into an argument about violence and thereby make it about something else but come on, you're an intelligent guy, you can circumvent that pretty easily.  I guess I'm just being nit picky a bit.  And ultimately what did it achieve, it kind of did exactly what Bashir wanted, if we're to look at him in the worst light, it did kinda become a thing of big online hits for Bashir.  

I guess its easy for me to say, I'm not the guy thats had to qualify is cinematic choices for the last 20 plus years in the way he has.  I just think the dick in Tarantino came out there...and he is a massive dick.

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1 hour ago, Len Cnut said:

I kind of do because...by getting all agitated like that you kinda let them win.  Like why are you losing your cool?  And just the entire arrogance of 'this is a commercial for my movie', it kinda makes the whole process sort of like an empty walk through.  Bashir is a snide but see we all meet them in life, I just don't think reacting like that is of any value ultimately.  I totally get the idea that he thinks, probably rightly, that Bashir is trying to frame the whole thing into an argument about violence and thereby make it about something else but come on, you're an intelligent guy, you can circumvent that pretty easily.  I guess I'm just being nit picky a bit.  And ultimately what did it achieve, it kind of did exactly what Bashir wanted, if we're to look at him in the worst light, it did kinda become a thing of big online hits for Bashir.  

I guess its easy for me to say, I'm not the guy thats had to qualify is cinematic choices for the last 20 plus years in the way he has.  I just think the dick in Tarantino came out there...and he is a massive dick.

Yeah, well, I guess I'm defending it because I might react like he did haha. I understand what you're saying, but it's basically in the 3rd person lol.

What do you think of Paxman? Is he well-liked over there? He seems fucking dreadful.

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On 11/14/2017 at 10:00 PM, Oldest Goat said:

Yeah, well, I guess I'm defending it because I might react like he did haha. I understand what you're saying, but it's basically in the 3rd person lol.

What do you think of Paxman? Is he well-liked over there? He seems fucking dreadful.

He assumes the accent and manners of a haughty southern aristocrat yet he was actually born in Leeds! I do like him on University Challenge which is the only television show I watch. 

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7 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

He assumes the accent and manners of a haughty southern aristocrat yet he was actually born in Leeds! I do like him on University Challenge which is the only television show I watch. 

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16 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

What is the matter with University Challenge? Starter for 10?

I was just disapproving of you approving of Paxman. Dunno what University Challenge even is, like rowing and rugby?

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5 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

I was just disapproving of you approving of Paxman. Dunno what University Challenge even is, like rowing and rugby?

What has Paxman ever done? He tends to grill politicians of all descriptions which I approve of highly. University Challenge is a high brow quiz show in which two university teams compete. Recent episode,

Stephen Fry was on there,

 

 

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Just now, Oldest Goat said:

@DieselDaisy 10 minutes in and I don't know any of the answers. I feel like a fucking idiot lol.

I tend to get a fair number of the arts and humanities questions but choke on the science and maths questions.

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This is another high-brow show, presented by another tv destroyer of politicians. Here the contestants choose a subject for the first round. I've helped you out here as one of the subjects here is the American rock band Guns N' Roses,

Mygnr members, see how well you do.

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21 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I tend to get a fair number of the arts and humanities questions but choke on the science and maths questions.

In a way, there is such a depth to books that videogames, music and movies don't have. I don't really read(yet). I write. I'm scared I'll lose my voice once I dive into reading and become consumed. Maybe that's an incredibly vain excuse for laziness, but I think there is an element of method to my madness.

There is so much to read. I really, really like the sound of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and Paradise Lost

P.S. I didn't get all the GNR questions correct. :facepalm:

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