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6 minutes ago, Hidin´Stradlin said:

Everyone talking about Absurd but no one asking who’s the mac daddy

This is the real question. 

2 hours ago, JimiRose said:

Yes, whilst this new SP album for the most part is dreadful, at least with the pumpkins we know that it won't be long until the next. Another great thing the pumpkins did is for their two massive and elite classic albums (siamese dream and mellon collie) they released the b sides and tracks that didn't make those albums the year after. picses iscariot and the aeroplane flies high. there are 6/7 songs on each of those albums that are easily as good as anything they did on their best works. Nirvana did something similar with incesticde. 

I think this is a great way for bands who never intend these songs to be official full release albums to get to fans, there must be 50 completed songs from 97-2007 that didnt make chinese. Plus all the songs allegedly written since, and all the songs written by the illusion era between 93-96. I know some ended up on slash's snakepit, but just release them. As proven, these albums do not tarnish the bands legacy in any way, and in fact enhance it with the true fans.

I think Radiohead did something similar with In Rainbows Disc 2 etc. It's definitely a good way to keep up engagement etc. As well as to let fans in on some element of the creative process; to try and see why some songs maybe didn't work in the context of that particular album. 

I've always thought it was madness that Staircase was never included on the King of Limbs but I guess it's slightly too smooth perhaps compared to the glitchy atmospheric IDM on the main album. 

1 hour ago, allwaystired said:

SP do have a bit of a habit of promising things that never actually happen though......but that doesn't matter as they always do SOMETHING. Whether the fans like it or not is up to personal taste and preference, and all part and parcel of most bands really. Some will like stuff, others won't, but there's always something to pay attention to. 

I'm one of those sorts that tries to buy everything released by bands I like. I can't say I've ever thought a bands weaker material has taken anything away from their better stuff. 

Agreed on SP. I actually enjoyed their previous album, haven't got round to listening to their new one yet although the reviews and comments like the above don't give me much confidence but I'm sure I'll find something to like. 

14 hours ago, GnR Chris said:

Smashing Pumpkins recently released a double album.

Yet another band that somehow has figured out how to release a record in today's environment.

Pumpkins now have two releases since their reunion.

Aren't they releasing a third early in the new year? A sequel of sorts to MatIS? 

19 hours ago, alfierose said:

I heard about The Pogues thing on the radio the other day. I was listening to BBC Radio 2 (because I'm old now) and it seems it's only R1 that has to play the new censored version. The other stations are free to play whichever version they like and to illustrate the point they played a clip of the offensive lyrics. So it seems they're only censoring it for a select demographic of youngish people and keeping their fingers crossed they never flip the channel from R1. 

Yeah it's this. Radio 1 (which is famously targeted to younger audiences) has said that the use of language is not acceptable and may offend younger listeners. R2 and R6 will be able to decide which version they air, although I believe that the stations higher ups have passed on that responsibility to individual DJ's (could be wrong on that point though). 

It's odd to me that the reason given seemingly implies that the younger crowd lack the ability to understand nuance and would elect to simply be offended by hearing song lyrics but hey ho! 

Vaguely off topic: Never been a huge Beach Boys fan. I listened to Pet Sounds recently and found it incredibly underwhelming. Any recommendations? 

On topic: interesting points. I see where you're coming from, although admittedly maybe it's a superficial comparison. As I said, not being a Beach Boys fan I have little to no knowledge of Brian Wilson's lifestyle, but can at the very least see the points raised above that BW was an innovator, unlike Axl who it seems was more focused on perfecting a pre-existing sound. 

The wrestling GIFs in this thread are top quality; well played all. 

That is super tasty! 

44 minutes ago, soon said:

I believe the tracks are only protected if copyrights were filed? So the officially released versions are copyright protected. But with some of the leaked versions being so different then officially released they might be in a grey area. Certainly with the previously unreleased tracks - they may not have been filed for protection? For instance if they copyrighted Goin Down before the addition of the lead guitar melodies, theyd need to file all over again - typically one waits for the finished product to copyright for these reasons. 

Today music can be filed for copyright by sounds recording or musical notation (if you follow the Stair Way case you'll know what a terrible system musical notation copyright is). But its possible that when Brain had the entire CD recordings with Freese staffed out, they may have filed that? However drums/ rhythms are not considered Original enough to protect. But if the person staffed out the chords and melody (which is entirely likely) then the entire Fresse era maybe copyright protected in a Musical Notation file.  

https://blog.reverbnation.com/2018/04/25/music-law-101-what-does-copyright-law-protect/

Under the impression that copyright would arise automatically in the creation of the recording. Based on what we think we know about the band at the time, copyright would probably rest with the employer, i.e GNR, i.e Axl. 

The recordings themselves may need to be registered as such but the compositions would be copyright protected at the moment of creation. 

It's a tough area of law, as it's very jurisdictional dependent. In the EU we have the copyright directive (one of many) that the UK CDPA kind of works with, but even then it's a bit of a minefield. 

We have been treated tonight, that's for sure. 

Seem to be in agreement with everyone; modern UYI feel, very epic, would love a cleaned up, dynamic mix but one can dream. 

This is more like it. I totally get the NIN vibe and think this actually gels more than say Silkworms (although I love that track for numerous reasons). 

Great vocal ideas and general progression through the song. 

Not sure if I'm in the minority, but I love the intro, and feel a bit underwhelmed with the rest of the track. But meh, maybe it will grow? Who knows. 

22 hours ago, Apollo said:

Without new music, Axl isn't saving anything. 

AC/DC would have still sold out all their shows if Brian Johnson was there. They always do great numbers and I think their last album sold close to 5 million copies. Without Axl  

And Slash and Duff coming back to GnR is what's elevated GnR's concert audience numbers  

If GnR, with bumble and DJ were touring right now, how would the numbers look? Would they be headlong Coachella and getting 3 million per show? Nope. 

Better, original and authentic music? Where? Axl hasn't released an album in almost a decade. So that comment has zero basis in reality  

And your rant on the state of pop music (and other genres) isn't really accurate either. Pop music has ALWAYS been cheesy pop dance music for preteens and teens. The Taylor swifts and Justin biebers were there a decade ago. And 20 years ago. And 30 years ago. And 40 years ago. Go back to any decade and you will see the top 40 dominated by candy covered pop bands. Same thing with hip hop and country and any other genre you mentioned. LL Cool J and Whoudini were popular rap/hip hop groups when I was young. Their lyrics were horrible. Paula Abduhl and Cindy Lauper were popular. 

You think Bieber sucks. But the kid sells out tours and releases number one albums and songs. Sounds like he is filling a music need. Just not the need that YOU want. Like it or not, more people want a new Bieber or Swift album than want a GnR album.

Go back and look at The Beatles lyrics. Twist and Shout, come on baby, work it all out. That's brilliant just brilliant  

So your entire blog is basically wrong in terms of factual information. But your dedication to Axl is impressive. 

Could Axl give rock a kick in the ass? Sure. But a new album is a MUST and would have to be killer. Then throw in an Axl/acdc album. BUT for hard rock to move to the forefront you would need 7-8 more kickass albums from big name rock  bands.  What bands with those be - Metallica, Van Halen, Aerosmith, Bon Jovi? Def Leppard just put an album out that sucked. Jovi is pop country. Tyler is going country. Van Halens last album flopped.

So what other 7-8 major bands could help GnR and acdc put hard rock music back to the front of the pack?

I'm guessing any rock band that appeals to teenagers will get ripped apart by you. Nickleback is essentially the Bon Jovi/Van Halen for the teens now - and most "adults" hate them. Im guessing you will say they suck. But teens love them.

So got some names that will eppeal to the teens (who spend their money on albums and iTunes) as well as earning the respect of older fans?

I get your point. It just isn't realistic. I love hair metal music and wish it would dominate the music landscape again. I grew up in an era where bands released an album EVERY year or every two years. GnR released four albums in five years. 

Sadly - we will never see that again. 

Just FYI,  Twist and Shout was a cover... 

6 hours ago, RnT said:

hahaha that´s awesome !! Give them a high five from a Brazilian frind here!! o/ 

Loving the Ragged Glory shirt... awesome album. 

I don't know how IP laws work I the US and I am a UK guy, but in the UK most employment contracts have a clause stating that any relevant IP (in this case a song) becomes the property of the employer. Now given that Ashba wrote it to be performed as part of the GNR brand, it would probably belong to the employer, in this case, GNR (aka Axl).

You see it happen a lot with video games, namely the recent MGS debacle with Kojima and Konami. Maybe it is somewhat analogous, but as I said I'm not a US lawyer, I'm a UK lawyer.

xXx

Love it. Loved it since first hearing. I just enjoy the crazy heavy electro crap, but then i love electronic music in general so yeah big fan

Pretty much everything everyone else has posted. I love BH because no matter what mood Im in I can find something of his to listen to. There was one song of of umm maybe Pike 39 I loved but I cant for the life of me remember its name.. ah well.

How do you compare folks ability on guitar though? Give 50 non-pro guitarists a month to learn a GNR setlist, Ashba's equipment and rehearsals with the band, they'd do equally as well, better or worse over a tour. Compare their individual solo compositions, regardless of sales, it's relative, I'm sure with the right group of musicians, label support and spare time many could sell their music. We could do this for 4tus and BBF and Finck, anyone. BBF and Finck have pretty stellar outputs though, Buckethead is untouchable to 95% in terms of original compositions, Slash was in GNR and his work was a product of a group gelling but these guys cover him well, I'm sure many guitarists if given the chance and time and equipment, could match Ashba's performances, considered the weak link of the band in terms of vital components.

I completely agree with you. Art is entirely subjective. But I think general skill is easier to compare. For example DJ seems to fuck up a lot of (relatively) basic solos. Maybe he has off days and nails it 99 times out of 100 but there are probably more skilled guitarists doing more intricate compositions who arent as popular as DJ. Whilst I dont think pure skill makes someone a great musician (take the Beatles for example) this thread has basically derailed into a dissection of DJ's skill as a muscian.

PS I agree wholeheartedly with the BH statement.

I can say with absolute confidence i am, and likely most anyone in the musicians section, a better guitarist than DJ.

Then you must be a professional, or? No offense intended, just curious

Are you kidding me?

Are you saying that DJ is a better guitarist than every single human being on earth who isn't doing it for a living?

Do you honestly believe it works that way?

You really should have called yourself 'rhetoricalquestionguy'.

Being professional and being proficient are two completely diffetent things. For example, someone like Syd Viscous was a "professional" musician, despite the fact that despute me not being a bass player I could still play rings around him, but taking your argument it would seem he would be in the elite if bass players. I know this is in effect an argumentum ad absurdum but whatever.

OT, I dont have that much confidence in my own abilities as a guitarist but I would say that I too am a better player than DJ and a better songwriter but meh, its all opinions right? My mom liked my songs!

he never was a professional musician. He was an image, he looked cool that's it. On the record is all Steve Jones(i believe), Sid was the ORIGINAL poser.

Ah forgive me I was trying to pull an extremem example. Im not a huge Sex Pistols fan despite being british. I guess you could probably go for someone like Billy Joe Armstrong and the point still stands? Just my opinion.

Jeeze, take it easy. I was just curious. Dj is in fact a good guitarist, there are better ones of course, but that would still mean you're really good.

Not by the the logic presented earlier I.e. professional musician = being good on your instrument. Whether I think DJ is good or not or if I think im better or anyone is better is irrelevant. I was just weighing in on the logic of said arguments. Apologies if I offended you just throwing in my opinion man. Friends?

No need for the impoliteness. I was just curious since you must be a very good guitarist if you're better than Ashba. I'm not saying you're not. Are you in a band?

Everyone here thinks is better than Ashba. But they are here... ranting on that shit instead of fucking a super model and playing in GNR. mmmmm im pretty sure it's only bad luck.

First person; I wasn't trying to be impolite? Sorry, I have a habit of thinking arguments through logically. Problems of having a First class degree I guess.

Second person; I only play recreationally, something I do for fun. My day to day life is what I live for (lawyer). I have no interest in playing professionally and never have. I enjoy playing/writing but I wouldnt want to do it for my life. Again I really dont wanna offend anyone or start arguments. I just wanted to throw in an opinion on it all. For the record whilst I think Ashba sucks I dont have that much against him. Fair play to the guy, he was in the right place at the right time and was able to use that to achieve his entrepreneurial goals.

I can say with absolute confidence i am, and likely most anyone in the musicians section, a better guitarist than DJ.

Then you must be a professional, or? No offense intended, just curious

Are you kidding me?

Are you saying that DJ is a better guitarist than every single human being on earth who isn't doing it for a living?

Do you honestly believe it works that way?

You really should have called yourself 'rhetoricalquestionguy'.

Being professional and being proficient are two completely diffetent things. For example, someone like Syd Viscous was a "professional" musician, despite the fact that despute me not being a bass player I could still play rings around him, but taking your argument it would seem he would be in the elite if bass players. I know this is in effect an argumentum ad absurdum but whatever.

OT, I dont have that much confidence in my own abilities as a guitarist but I would say that I too am a better player than DJ and a better songwriter but meh, its all opinions right? My mom liked my songs!

he never was a professional musician. He was an image, he looked cool that's it. On the record is all Steve Jones(i believe), Sid was the ORIGINAL poser.

Ah forgive me I was trying to pull an extremem example. Im not a huge Sex Pistols fan despite being british. I guess you could probably go for someone like Billy Joe Armstrong and the point still stands? Just my opinion.

Jeeze, take it easy. I was just curious. Dj is in fact a good guitarist, there are better ones of course, but that would still mean you're really good.

Not by the the logic presented earlier I.e. professional musician = being good on your instrument. Whether I think DJ is good or not or if I think im better or anyone is better is irrelevant. I was just weighing in on the logic of said arguments. Apologies if I offended you just throwing in my opinion man. Friends?

I can say with absolute confidence i am, and likely most anyone in the musicians section, a better guitarist than DJ.

Then you must be a professional, or? No offense intended, just curious

Are you kidding me?

Are you saying that DJ is a better guitarist than every single human being on earth who isn't doing it for a living?

Do you honestly believe it works that way?

You really should have called yourself 'rhetoricalquestionguy'.

Being professional and being proficient are two completely diffetent things. For example, someone like Syd Viscous was a "professional" musician, despite the fact that despute me not being a bass player I could still play rings around him, but taking your argument it would seem he would be in the elite if bass players. I know this is in effect an argumentum ad absurdum but whatever.

OT, I dont have that much confidence in my own abilities as a guitarist but I would say that I too am a better player than DJ and a better songwriter but meh, its all opinions right? My mom liked my songs!

he never was a professional musician. He was an image, he looked cool that's it. On the record is all Steve Jones(i believe), Sid was the ORIGINAL poser.

Ah forgive me I was trying to pull an extremem example. Im not a huge Sex Pistols fan despite being british. I guess you could probably go for someone like Billy Joe Armstrong and the point still stands? Just my opinion.

I can say with absolute confidence i am, and likely most anyone in the musicians section, a better guitarist than DJ.

Then you must be a professional, or? No offense intended, just curious

Are you kidding me?

Are you saying that DJ is a better guitarist than every single human being on earth who isn't doing it for a living?

Do you honestly believe it works that way?

You really should have called yourself 'rhetoricalquestionguy'.

Being professional and being proficient are two completely diffetent things. For example, someone like Syd Viscous was a "professional" musician, despite the fact that despute me not being a bass player I could still play rings around him, but taking your argument it would seem he would be in the elite if bass players. I know this is in effect an argumentum ad absurdum but whatever.

OT, I dont have that much confidence in my own abilities as a guitarist but I would say that I too am a better player than DJ and a better songwriter but meh, its all opinions right? My mom liked my songs!

Yeah man for sure. I know its getting some crap but I kinda dig it

Computerized - Daft Punk and Jay Z

Ah cheers man! Yeah I have no problem going it alone just wondered if anyone on here was going. Were they good as the Reflektors?

The NY fan inside me would love Axl to try something a bit different like Ordinary People or sonething off of Trans (Pitman would be all over that), but I mean something like Southern Man or Words would also be cool I'm the Ocean would be pretty amazing too

You know your Neil Young. Trans and Mirrorball are both hugely overlooked and vastly underrated albums. I'm the Ocean ranks as one of my favorite songs of all time. Downtown was actually the song that got me into Neil. I was already a big PJ fan and when I heard it on the radio I was like damn, who's this old dude? It started a lifelong obsession with all things Neil that continues to this day.

I've always thought that Axl and Neil share some of the same qualities- they both do things on their terms, regardless of the fallout. I think they're both honest and authentic as artists, but they definitely approach their work very differently. Neil gets his stuff out quickly without much refining. The entire Mirrorball album was allegedly recorded in 1 week- and thats with a band of guys that he'd never worked with before.

I do indeed. Huge fan of everything hes done! I agree that they're overlooked albums, especially trans. The melodies are incredible!