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In my opinion, I staunchly believe that the 2nd half of Chinese will heavily feature Finck and Buckethead!

I've always thought that the touch-ups on Chinese Democracy he allowed the newer guys to do were very minimal and just so they could feel more involved in the band.

I'm in the minority that likes DJ Ashba quite a bit, but Robin Finck owns him and I've always loved Bucket's fast melodic shredding vs. Bumblefoot's quick noise shredding

On Axl Island the strongest player wins. I doubt he'd wait this long to put out a weaker version just because of who is in the touring band today.

I would like to see Axl bring in a younger kid. Look around for the top talent among young guitarest, and bring him or her in. ONly if gnr becomes serious aabout releasing an album though. I don't want some kids career ruined because Axl didn't do anything.

you think Ashba ain't ebough?

you think they need another kid after Ashba??

DJ Ashba is 42 years old. Hardly a kid.

It amuses me that there are still fans that think Finck or Buckethead would come back to GNR

Personally, I happen to think the chances of either of them working with Axl again are less than the chances of Slash working with Axl again.

As far as "Who could replace BBF?", I'm reasonably sure it'll have to be a no-name person with the ability to replicate the Bucket/BBF parts. I honestly can't see any well known guitarist with a career of their own signing on for this.

I generally respect the shit you post. Tell me why you think Robin would never come back to GN'R? He seemed to leave quietly and then remain on good terms, plus I'm sure his playing is all over the next disc.

Thanx for recapping.

It should definitely just be DJ Ashba and Ric Fortus unless Izzy or r o bi n want to return.

No. One. New!!!

^^^Beyonce fan?

Bach can't sing anymore live.

BULLSHIT!!! Just saw him this winter in a tiny club in Kansas City and the PA went out. He kept singing and he had tremendous power. Give you chills type power. You couldn't be more wrong. I was amazed. Then, I hung out on his bus w/ him for 20 minutes and he was as cool as can be.

VR would be lucky to have him. They should also reconsider Josh Todd. Another badass.

Nice post! I love anything positive and this makes think Izzy is even more badass than before.

Great point. Duh! I shoulda realized that. It's the whole reason there was a Greatest Hits.

Take it for what it's worth (i.e based on an unsubstantiated source), but I figure it's worth mentioning here.

Source:

http://gnrtruth.proboards.com/thread/2896/interesting-talk-geffen-executive

"I recently attended a panel for work regarding the music industry - in particular the role of a record label for the modern band. One of the speakers worked at Geffen during the 1990s, leaving during 2000. During the talk, he mentioned being actively involved with GN'R, the live album, and recording Chinese Democracy. Of course, hearing this, I had to pick his brain for a good bit after the talk, and he was more than willing to talk. He said that while he left in 2000, he is still best friends with many who were involved with GN'R until Chinese Democracy was released.

Just to put in a small disclaimer, I am just speaking his words. I know some posters may get upset when Axl is criticized, but I am simply trying to get some interesting insider information across and figured this would be the board that would be most interested. He did ask that I not say his name directly in a public forum, but if anyone PMs me I am willing to discuss a little more about his particular involvement at Geffen. Anyway, here are the best bits I got...

-He says he considers the live album one of the biggest blunders of him time at Geffen, and it was put together for the sole reason that the label was informed Chinese Democracy was not going to be out in time for the holiday 1999 season. He said Axl and Del offered up the idea of a live album as something of a "peace offering." Apparently the label was dying for a 1987/1988 show; he even said they would have been thrilled with a 1986 show that showed the development of the band during its early days.

-Axl initially refuse to use any performances from the "classic lineup" saying he did not want to promote the negative energy that surrounded them. Apparently Axl got bored of the process of compiling the album quickly, and turned the project over to Del who was tasked with picking out the best performance of every song the band had ever played.

-It was Del who eventually convinced Axl to put some of the "classic" lineup songs on the album, saying they were the best performances. The speaker was very adamant that Del was actually very much the man who worked hardest to make sure the older lineups got their fair share of attention and legacy.

-He swore up and down Axl did not re-record any vocals, but they were "heavily manipulated."

-Slash, Duff, Gilby, and even Izzy all offered to come in and re-record parts. Axl refused to let them.

-He said to the best of his memory, the band playing at the beginning of what would become Chinese Democracy sessions was Axl, Paul Tobias, Robin, Duff, Dizzy, and Matt. He estimated this was right around New Years of 1996. Duff was pretty much MIA until he officially left the band.

-Around 1998, Axl made a friendly competition among the band to see who could come up with the best riffs and songs ideas. He said there are at least "40 cds" of the band playing.

-Asking Axl about vocals was a "sure-fire" way to get kicked off the project. He said that the first time he heard some vocals from the album, however (around 1999) was one of the best and most memorable days of his career.

-When he left the project in 2000, he said there was a second album that was, at the band's own estimation, about 65% done.

As I said earlier, this man left Geffen in 2000, but has stayed in touch with most people who still work with GN'R. He has heard...

-The band has another album in the can. Universal would release it at any time. He said it's "100% in Axl's hands" when new music comes out. Like many who have worked with Axl, he said "it will happen when Axl is ready."

-As much as the cost of Chinese Democracy was thrown around, he said this was mainly hyperbole in the sense that most of the costs were essentially written off when various record labels merged.

- I asked the man if he enjoyed Chinese Democracy when it finally came out. He said he loved it. He said even if you did not like it, you have to admire Axl for making hte record he wanted to make. He said he's seen artists compromise under substantially less record label pressure and Axl stuck to what he wanted to do. He said when he heard the album in 2008 he knew it was the record "Axl first described at a meeting in 1997."

I finally asked if he ever envisioned a reunion. His answer was an immediate no. He said we have no idea the kind of things that have gone on behind the scenes regarding Axl and Slash.

-He said any doubt he had about this was sealed in 2012 when he saw the band at the Tabernacle in Atlanta. He said Axl seemed "so happy" and was visibly enjoying himself more than seemed to be when the interviewee saw him in 1988, 1991, and 1993."

"-He swore up and down Axl did not re-record any vocals, but they were "heavily manipulated.""

Didn't read shit after that line, either the story is not true or this man is a liar. Either way that line is 100% false and every single person who knows anything about the album knows it

Source?

ME I listened to it

Fuck. I admit that some things sound different, but they hardly sound re-recorded to me. Doctored, remixed, pro-tools extended perhaps, but not re-recorded.

Reading Marc Canter's book, I saw quotes from then management saying that Guns received an unprecedented 6 album deal.

Does anyone have the details of this contract? You'd think it'd be a matter of public record.

I wanna know if it was 6 studio albums, I wanna know if Lies counts toward the album count as an EP, I wanna know what Live Era and GH's count toward, and I wanna know if the contract survived all the record company mergers and the statute of limitations?

1. Appetite

2. Lies

3. Illusion 1

4. Illusion 2

5. Spaghetti

6. Chinese

Take it for what it's worth (i.e based on an unsubstantiated source), but I figure it's worth mentioning here.

Source:

http://gnrtruth.proboards.com/thread/2896/interesting-talk-geffen-executive

"I recently attended a panel for work regarding the music industry - in particular the role of a record label for the modern band. One of the speakers worked at Geffen during the 1990s, leaving during 2000. During the talk, he mentioned being actively involved with GN'R, the live album, and recording Chinese Democracy. Of course, hearing this, I had to pick his brain for a good bit after the talk, and he was more than willing to talk. He said that while he left in 2000, he is still best friends with many who were involved with GN'R until Chinese Democracy was released.

Just to put in a small disclaimer, I am just speaking his words. I know some posters may get upset when Axl is criticized, but I am simply trying to get some interesting insider information across and figured this would be the board that would be most interested. He did ask that I not say his name directly in a public forum, but if anyone PMs me I am willing to discuss a little more about his particular involvement at Geffen. Anyway, here are the best bits I got...

-He says he considers the live album one of the biggest blunders of him time at Geffen, and it was put together for the sole reason that the label was informed Chinese Democracy was not going to be out in time for the holiday 1999 season. He said Axl and Del offered up the idea of a live album as something of a "peace offering." Apparently the label was dying for a 1987/1988 show; he even said they would have been thrilled with a 1986 show that showed the development of the band during its early days.

-Axl initially refuse to use any performances from the "classic lineup" saying he did not want to promote the negative energy that surrounded them. Apparently Axl got bored of the process of compiling the album quickly, and turned the project over to Del who was tasked with picking out the best performance of every song the band had ever played.

-It was Del who eventually convinced Axl to put some of the "classic" lineup songs on the album, saying they were the best performances. The speaker was very adamant that Del was actually very much the man who worked hardest to make sure the older lineups got their fair share of attention and legacy.

-He swore up and down Axl did not re-record any vocals, but they were "heavily manipulated."

-Slash, Duff, Gilby, and even Izzy all offered to come in and re-record parts. Axl refused to let them.

-He said to the best of his memory, the band playing at the beginning of what would become Chinese Democracy sessions was Axl, Paul Tobias, Robin, Duff, Dizzy, and Matt. He estimated this was right around New Years of 1996. Duff was pretty much MIA until he officially left the band.

-Around 1998, Axl made a friendly competition among the band to see who could come up with the best riffs and songs ideas. He said there are at least "40 cds" of the band playing.

-Asking Axl about vocals was a "sure-fire" way to get kicked off the project. He said that the first time he heard some vocals from the album, however (around 1999) was one of the best and most memorable days of his career.

-When he left the project in 2000, he said there was a second album that was, at the band's own estimation, about 65% done.

As I said earlier, this man left Geffen in 2000, but has stayed in touch with most people who still work with GN'R. He has heard...

-The band has another album in the can. Universal would release it at any time. He said it's "100% in Axl's hands" when new music comes out. Like many who have worked with Axl, he said "it will happen when Axl is ready."

-As much as the cost of Chinese Democracy was thrown around, he said this was mainly hyperbole in the sense that most of the costs were essentially written off when various record labels merged.

- I asked the man if he enjoyed Chinese Democracy when it finally came out. He said he loved it. He said even if you did not like it, you have to admire Axl for making hte record he wanted to make. He said he's seen artists compromise under substantially less record label pressure and Axl stuck to what he wanted to do. He said when he heard the album in 2008 he knew it was the record "Axl first described at a meeting in 1997."

I finally asked if he ever envisioned a reunion. His answer was an immediate no. He said we have no idea the kind of things that have gone on behind the scenes regarding Axl and Slash.

-He said any doubt he had about this was sealed in 2012 when he saw the band at the Tabernacle in Atlanta. He said Axl seemed "so happy" and was visibly enjoying himself more than seemed to be when the interviewee saw him in 1988, 1991, and 1993."

"-He swore up and down Axl did not re-record any vocals, but they were "heavily manipulated.""

Didn't read shit after that line, either the story is not true or this man is a liar. Either way that line is 100% false and every single person who knows anything about the album knows it

Source?

Awesome insights!!! I cannot wait for everyone's non-disclosure agreements to expire, so we can hear all the crazy shit that went on.

Goddamn, this place is negative!

Billy Corgan, who has consistently churned out good rock for 20 years, can't express an opinion??? And it's complimentary to Axl Rose!!! The whole reason we even visit this board.

Please, internet message board lurkers, tell me how your musical opinion supercedes Billy Corgan's?

What a joke!

Washed up douchebag grunge rocker tries to throw entire genres under the bus for purposes of self-aggrandizement and we're being "negative" when we call him the douche that he is? Got it.

Goddamn, this place is so retarded!

Yes, absoutely! That is the very defintion of negativity. You must have been the type of boy who pointed his finger and said "but, he did it first, not me"?

*Monuments To An Elegy was really fucking good, by the way. So, that means that the "washed-up" "grunge" rocker came out w/ a badass disc last year and has another new cd set to come out this year. I can't think of a knock on Billy Corgan's integrity, can you?

Hmm, don't know who I'm gonna side w/??? The guy who sold 20 million records or the guy who spellchecked "self-aggrandizement"? That's a hard one.

Goddamn, this place is negative!

Billy Corgan, who has consistently churned out good rock for 20 years, can't express an opinion??? And it's complimentary to Axl Rose!!! The whole reason we even visit this board.

Please, internet message board lurkers, tell me how your musical opinion supercedes Billy Corgan's?

What a joke!

I'd take anything I can get, but I choose to think that Axl doesn't have time for concerts while he's working so hard in the studio.

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Pretty badass!

Were these limted to Axl Rose? I swear to god I can hear Robin on the backing vocals for Mr. Brownstone.

I've read several board members discuss this as if it's fact. I wonder if you could cite a source.

Anyone heard the quality on AFD?

Neil Yound started the serive and said on Jimmy Fallon he had all of the highest quality songs the record companies would give him?

I went back and looked into this a little bit and I came to this conclusion.

Axl naturally goes to rasp, but it's done damage, so he sings above it and cleaner as a choice. Not because he can't.

I listened to all the Rumbo Tapes and they're full of the scratchy vocals, then I read an article ahead of the Montreal riot show where Slash told the papers that Axl had a hole in vocal chords, then I think of all the higher vocals from '02 ahead, but then we saw that he can rasp it up if he wants to like he did in '10.

It's obviously a choice of technique. If you don't like, don't listen and stay home.

The novelty of a reunion would be cool. Everyone focuses on Axl and Slash, but I think there's a better of those two going to couples counseling than Izzy Stradlin commiting to a rigorous touring schedule. The reunion will never be.

Good work.

For me, his best vocals until '06 were Knockin' On Heaven's Door from Chicago., hands down. (16:10)

Or Steven when he looks at Frank?

Hahahahaha!!!