DeadSlash

all metallica songs sound the same.

You are without doubt the worst poster of all time.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

I am much more a fan of GN'R than Metallica. Metallica is my 2nd favourite band behind GN'R but I have to admit that Metallica are far more active and fan friendly (on a different level to GN'R. Guns is fan friendly but in a different way. Hard to explain).

If we were to compare CD to DM, CD has my vote by a mile. I like DM but it is in my opinion the worst Metallica record.

CD is my favouite record of all time so it is unfair for me to compare it to anything else.

All of you who think we are "anti-GN'R" due to us feeling that Metallica does have the edge on Guns N' Roses need to have a rethink.

By the way, Metallica sued their fans for stealing from them. I think that is pretty fair.

U couldn't b more right. Metallica did what others were afraid to do. It was stealing and who feels bad for the nabster guy anyway? He's a freakin rich motherfucker

so isnt metallica

Money aside, stealing is still stealing. Just because someone is "rich" doesn't mean it's okay to steal from them, does it?

Worshippers are so funny.

They constantly bash people who want GnR leaks as people who are stealing Axl's intellectual property.....stealing his art........but now they are bashing a band for not wanting that to happen????

The double standards worshippers have are hilarious. They judge Axl one way, and all other bands another way.

where did i ever say that?

I have a standing request for a PM alert if anything leaks. Thank you all for your consideration.

I think the argument a lot of people made about the suit was in ref to the statement early in this thread that Metallica was one of the friendliest bands of all time. Phil Anselmo, by contrast, may have been "Fucking hostile" but he never sued me.

If you can make the argument that they sued us in a "friendly way" please, by all means....

Did the fans Steal Metallica's music in a "friendly way"?

Your missing the point.

My point: It's hard to call Metallica the friendliest band of all time because they are the one that sued us. Do you think people who downloaded Metallica didn't download 100 other bands albums? But 100 other bands didn't sue the fans, Metallica did. That places 99 bands in front of Metallica on my friendly chart.

In case confusion remains on this topic, that girl that took you to court for the restraining order did NOT do so because she was your friend.

Just saying

Marc Canter said Axl got mad at him for posting about him. That wasn't too long ago. You'd have to keep your eye's pealed all the tim to catch little things like that. I think Internet is serious business yo.

Have band members been here? Yes.

Does this mean Axl patrols the boards? I'd like to think that but no. When his real life friends see something that he needs to know about they let him know (and his rl friends probably hear it from their friends.) Do they still visit this site? Less and less I would expect, but yeah.

More then likely the only person who speaks to Axl on an even semi regular basis that probably cupcakes this site is Sebastian Bach, waiting for someone to mention him.

So for his sake, Hi Sebastian. My friend told me knows HisTrollingSweetness and that he has said he post stupid shit on here in hopes that Axl will notice him and comment.

I think anyone who believes Axl finishes the gig and pops on to My GnR to read posts about what his cholesterol is these days is a little delusional

Cool. So you are friends with the actual band and you know their personal habits with the forum. How come you never told us you were a real life insider?

Hmm, I thought the use of the terms "probably" "I would expect" and "More then likley" would make it clear this is an opinion, but obviously I did not account for all reading levels... So, no I am not a GnR insider.

Read with your eyes and not with your rage.

all metallica songs sound the same.

You are without doubt the worst poster of all time.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

I am much more a fan of GN'R than Metallica. Metallica is my 2nd favourite band behind GN'R but I have to admit that Metallica are far more active and fan friendly (on a different level to GN'R. Guns is fan friendly but in a different way. Hard to explain).

If we were to compare CD to DM, CD has my vote by a mile. I like DM but it is in my opinion the worst Metallica record.

CD is my favouite record of all time so it is unfair for me to compare it to anything else.

All of you who think we are "anti-GN'R" due to us feeling that Metallica does have the edge on Guns N' Roses need to have a rethink.

By the way, Metallica sued their fans for stealing from them. I think that is pretty fair.

U couldn't b more right. Metallica did what others were afraid to do. It was stealing and who feels bad for the nabster guy anyway? He's a freakin rich motherfucker

so isnt metallica

Money aside, stealing is still stealing. Just because someone is "rich" doesn't mean it's okay to steal from them, does it?

Worshippers are so funny.

They constantly bash people who want GnR leaks as people who are stealing Axl's intellectual property.....stealing his art........but now they are bashing a band for not wanting that to happen????

The double standards worshippers have are hilarious. They judge Axl one way, and all other bands another way.

where did i ever say that?

I have a standing request for a PM alert if anything leaks. Thank you all for your consideration.

I think the argument a lot of people made about the suit was in ref to the statement early in this thread that Metallica was one of the friendliest bands of all time. Phil Anselmo, by contrast, may have been "Fucking hostile" but he never sued me.

If you can make the argument that they sued us in a "friendly way" please, by all means....

I think everyone wants more music.

My biggest complaint outside of that is the incessant bitching of agenda driven Slashites and attention hungry cupcakes that I have to wade through in order to see legit discussion on the band.

PS. While it's a compelling argument that HTGTH is the site for fans, and this is actually intended to be the site for slandering the band, I'd politely suggest the go here: http://www.justrage.com/

Marc Canter said Axl got mad at him for posting about him. That wasn't too long ago. You'd have to keep your eye's pealed all the tim to catch little things like that. I think Internet is serious business yo.

Have band members been here? Yes.

Does this mean Axl patrols the boards? I'd like to think that but no. When his real life friends see something that he needs to know about they let him know (and his rl friends probably hear it from their friends.) Do they still visit this site? Less and less I would expect, but yeah.

More then likely the only person who speaks to Axl on an even semi regular basis that probably cupcakes this site is Sebastian Bach, waiting for someone to mention him.

So for his sake, Hi Sebastian. My friend told me knows HisTrollingSweetness and that he has said he post stupid shit on here in hopes that Axl will notice him and comment.

I think anyone who believes Axl finishes the gig and pops on to My GnR to read posts about what his cholesterol is these days is a little delusional

I think people who don't want to see hear Axl's music or see him perform should try and ancient Chinese trick called "Not going to his shows or buying his albums."

Unfortunately some people subscribe to the American youth fad of "Bitching about it."

Don't you hate that people that constantly complain and whine about what other people post?

If you run across one of those slackjawed piss-ants, do me a favor and direct them to htgth. That is a GnR fansite, specifically designed for fan boys and girls who just want to worship the mighty Axl and current band.

This is an actual forum for adults to have open discussions about Axl and the band. A place for people who aren't afraid to have discussions with people who have a different view point than they do.

Thanks!

You do realize you coming here to bitch about a band you hate is like going to a pet expo just to step on a soap box and exclaim "I hate all exotic pets, snakes are stupid pets!" then walking around the show floor and engaging people "That bearded dragon you are looking at is stupid. Dogs and cats are the only way to go." Many people will simply marvel at the fact that you are at a trade show simply to bitch about it, but a select few will explain to you that you are a fucking idiot. You need to be prepared for that.

You need to understand that while you are entitled to your opinion, nobody at the trade show give two shakes of a fat frogs ass about your opinion of reptiles and quite frankly they would like you to shut the fuck up already so they can hear what this dude is saying about the Burmese Python he's selling.

One day when you get older, you will be embarrassed about what you are doing here.

No one is holding them to a different standard. Fact is Metallica is the most fan friendly band out there and GNR is the least fan friendly band. I love them both but, you've gotta be completely insane if you can't see the OBVIOUS differences between the two.

You mean like the time Metallica sued their fans? That was pretty fan friendly. Most fan friendly band for sure.

I mean I know they said they were sorry and all, but there are about a gazillion bands that have never sued their fans. Calling them the "most fan friendly band" might be a weeeee bit of a stretch.

Just sayin

2. The song has been described, and part of it was used live as an intro.

Yeah, but that's not enough to judge the song.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging it/rating it yet or anything. I'm anticipating it. I wasn't disappointed in TIL, I'm sure I wont be in the General either. I'm hoping for another Estranged, but who knows, it might be something better. I took this as a thread about expectation of one of the "Big guns" from CD II. I'm excited about any new music from Guns, but the epic ballads have always been my favorite they are something no other band can do.

I'm definitely not judging a song I haven't head yet.

What do you think it's like?

What's the connection with Tommy "the general" Stinson?

1. you're the most weirdest poster on this board

2. How can i know anything of that song, it isn't leaked or released?

3. "Tommy "the general" Stinson" what are you babbling about?

1. Weirdest poster? No way. Remember there are people here that will make a thread "Do you prefer Converse Axl or Snake skin boots Axl?" and not be joking.

2. The song has been described, and part of it was used live as an intro.

That's true only Axl puts songs together like this. It's kind of become an important part of GNR

Nov Rain

Estranged

Breakdown

Street of Dreams

Madagascar

Catcher

TWAT

TIL

Prostitute

What's next?

The General

Atlas Shrugged

Probably one other, more then likley it's one of the main reasons the albums are delayed. Axl knows whats epic and refuses to settle for less. People forget that Estranged and NR (and others) were around in the AFD days. A lot of time and effort went into making them the epic songs they turned out to be.

like UYI epic, or a bit more controlled epic of CD?

I'm hoping for another Estranged.

I guess sequel could be misleading. Musically or lyrically?

To me There and Catcher are in the same ball park as Estranged.

Both, It's like two songs in one and probably my all time favorite song (actually was 4 if I recall correctly.) It's a combination of lyrics and composition that only Axl can envision and orchestrate.

I think people who don't want to see hear Axl's music or see him perform should try and ancient Chinese trick called "Not going to his shows or buying his albums."

Unfortunately some people subscribe to the American youth fad of "Bitching about it."

if by "time to shine," you mean time to spend several years re-recording other musicians' stellar performances of mediocre songs, touring smaller and smaller venues, performing mostly covers, then moving on to another band after several years of disappointments and inactivity... then yes, sir... now is their time to shine.

round... 3? or is it 4? i lost track of all the ass axl's been kicking.

Yet people still obsess over him like spurned lovers. Bitterly insulting a man they *say* they think sucks, all the while following said man so closely if he were to stop short they might just shoot up his as and out his pee hole. They can't seem to heal and get past feeling betrayed because their god Slash is no longer in the band.

Almost like their Mommy and Daddy got divorced, but their small child like minds can't get a grip on why Mommy and Daddy don't love each other anymore. They are trapped in 1991(or is it 1987?) when Mommy and Daddy still loved each other and sat together under the Christmas tree handing him presents for the last time.

like UYI epic, or a bit more controlled epic of CD?

I'm hoping for another Estranged.

Are we eventually going to have to replace GNR with another band or do you think Axl will save a posthumous album for us? I figure Axl will retire from Chinese Democracy Tours at some point soon, and I was wondering how we'd continue the board without his activity anymore. It would kind of suck if it became a forum for a band that didn't exist anymore.

Long after Axl is gone, there are going to be people crying about a reunion. Even is slash is dead too. Biterness and hate has some serious staying power.

I'm not sure you have to "replace" a band because they have passed away. There are plenty of singers and bands that are still peoples all time favorites, even though they are long gone. GnR will be no exception for me.

They have been my band since 1987, I can't see that changing.

He could tupac our ass and come out with 37 albums, with 40% of fans swearing he is still alive.

I'll be one of them. Axl aint never gonna die, at the very least he wont die on time.

What do you think it's like?

What's the connection with Tommy "the general" Stinson?

I'm thinking/hoping it's going to be epic.

Some good thoughts here, but I think the song is more about the faceless haters with a dash of Slash in it.

You talk too much

You say I do

The difference is nobody cares about you

Doesn't add up that this would be a line about Slash. Axl knows well that Slash is very popular, very doubtful this line is about him. But apply it to the faceless haters on the internet that have nothing better to do with their time other then taunt and ridicule Axl and it makes a ton more sense.

Take a theoretical person, call him HisTrollingSweetness. If he were real and you clicked on his profile and looked at his recent posts or topics, you wouldn't find nary a one where he does not slip in an outright insult to Axl or the forum. At the end of the day however, who is HisTrollingSweetness? He exists only in the world of this forum. Outside of his own delusions, who has he convinced to hate Axl? Nobody, because he is nobody. Axl is and will forever be Axl Rose and as long as he is willing to sing, people will go see him. If Axl wants to do an interview or make a statement, there will be people to come and listen to it. HisTrollingSweetness is just a man-child desperately seeking acknowledgement from Axl in the most base way he knows how, hurling inflammatory remarks in every direction.

I do think the lines are about Slash.:

You tell them stories they'd rather believe

Use and confuse them

They're numb and naïve

I would say there is still some confusion with Slash cupcakes flaming here still, almost 20 years after the break up. I would also say anyone who thinks it's all Axl or all Slash and doesn't believe it takes two to tango is naive. I also think the people who don't easily spot pro Slash flamers are not naive or stupid, simply numb. It's been something they have heard for going on 20 years. It's like those parents you see in the supermarket with their kids jumping around, screaming, and saying "mommy mommy I want I want" And the parent doesn't even seem to notice them, you know what I'm talking about? Those parents aren't stupid or naive, they are simply numb to it.

The truth is the truth hurts

Don't you agree?

It's harder to live

With the truth about you

Than to live with

The lies about me

I think Axl has been pretty open about there being 2 sides to the story.

But, since none of us are Axl I guess we'll never know... except for maybe i]theoretical person, call him HisTrollingSweetness who is totally an insider.

yeah, at the risk of enraging the nerds with blinders, i have a friend who used to work at geffen. said axl was always making demands, and they'd just ignore him and put him off. my friend said the consensus opinion was that axl still thought it was 91 and he was still the world's biggest star. he kept expecting them to cater to his whims, which they had absolutely no desire to do any longer (like the laughably absurd demand that they re-release the album months later with a new booklet). they gave axl enough rope to hang himself, and were all too happy to wash their hands of that album. hats off to azoff, for conning best buy into recouping their losses. after all, it's not like the album was destined to have any great, lasting success. they all just wanted to get out of it without wasting another dime on the project. so there's some typos and low res graphics in the booklet. aside from axl and about a hundred people who gather on forums, nobody noticed or cared.

It was probably a place holder.

I wonder if HisTrollingSweetness can make one post without bashing the forum or, Axl or CD? If you hate everything about this forum, why come here? Why come here and post so frequently? A friend of mine told me he was a really big Slash fan and just liked to stir up shit. My friend who knows him said he is very sad and lonely and he really craves attention.

Some people collect stamps. I don't. I don't see the draw to it. You might even say I think it's a stupid hobby. You know what has never occurred to me though? To go to a stamp collecting forum pretend to be a US post office insider and incessantly bitch and cry about how terrible stamp collecting and stamps in general are. Instead I just don't collect stamps, crazy.

With all the other errors on the booklet, I just assume this is one of them.

Shouldn't you take your own advice then, and not read posts written by people who aren't worshipping Axl and the new band? I've seen you respond negativitly to people who disagree with you. So you are doing exactly what you are complaining about other people doing.

If posters with different opinions on a rock band fill you so full of anger, why not put those posters on ignore, don't spend time in this forum, or go to HTGTH where people aren't allowed to post anything negative about Axl and the current band?

You do understand that this is a forum, right? And not a band ran fan-site? A forum is for people to exchange ideas and talk about the forum's topic - in this case, GnR. A band run fan-site is a place for worshippers to go and let everybody know how big of a fan they are. HTGTH is a fan-site, for people to share their adoration and worship of Axl. Mygnr is a forum, where people can discuss the band - pros and cons.

If people with different opinions than you make you so angry, maybe you should take your own advice and go find a fan-site where you all can agree on everything?

Hmm, I've read my post and I'm not sure what you are talking about. I was simply saying it was well documented that the booklet had errors and I assume this is one.

I think the pro Slash "everything without him sucks" contingent might be getting a bit sensitive. Again, my post obviously is not negative at all and a simple observation that the booklet was not completed and this is well known. If some people are hyper sensitive and desperately reading between the lines for things to get mad about.: I think if you are going to a fan forum just to bash the band you might get some push back. People who don't know the difference flame baiting and creating discussion and like to say incendiary things might want to ease up if they are easily burned by fire. If they get burned by the fires they start, I can't feel too badly for them.

yeah, at the risk of enraging the nerds with blinders, i have a friend who used to work at geffen. said axl was always making demands, and they'd just ignore him and put him off. my friend said the consensus opinion was that axl still thought it was 91 and he was still the world's biggest star. he kept expecting them to cater to his whims, which they had absolutely no desire to do any longer (like the laughably absurd demand that they re-release the album months later with a new booklet). they gave axl enough rope to hang himself, and were all too happy to wash their hands of that album. hats off to azoff, for conning best buy into recouping their losses. after all, it's not like the album was destined to have any great, lasting success. they all just wanted to get out of it without wasting another dime on the project. so there's some typos and low res graphics in the booklet. aside from axl and about a hundred people who gather on forums, nobody noticed or cared.

It was probably a place holder.

I wonder if HisTrollingSweetness can make one post without bashing the forum or, Axl or CD? If you hate everything about this forum, why come here? Why come here and post so frequently? A friend of mine told me he was a really big Slash fan and just liked to stir up shit. My friend who knows him said he is very sad and lonely and he really craves attention.

Some people collect stamps. I don't. I don't see the draw to it. You might even say I think it's a stupid hobby. You know what has never occurred to me though? To go to a stamp collecting forum pretend to be a US post office insider and incessantly bitch and cry about how terrible stamp collecting and stamps in general are. Instead I just don't collect stamps, crazy.

With all the other errors on the booklet, I just assume this is one of them.

Smash

Axl and Smash were the tag team Demolition, right?

Yeah threads have come off the rails in the lat few weeks.

I've been on this forum for 6 years and I have not been in the ballpark of as irritated with BS cupcake posts as I am recently. I think it's exacerbated by the fact that there is not a lot of legit news coming out and a heightened population of "Original line-up cupcakes" that have wandered here (or back here) because of the recent HOF induction.

At some point we crossed a line from legit threads to thinly veiled inflammatory posts not meant to cause any discussion but just meant to piss people off. Do band members come here? Yes, they do. Clearly that has been demonstrated in the past. The people making some of the most inflammatory posts are counting on that, and that's the goal of their posts. Attacking the CHILDREN of people close to the band is way overboard. It's meant to illicit a response, however misguided the logic is. When I was 14 or 15, I went to a Mets game. Me and my friends were trying to get a rise out of Vince Coleman. We were sitting in the front row so he could hear us yelling, they Mets were BAD and the stadium was near desolate and we just walked up to the front row. He wouldn't even look at as, but we knew he could hear us. At one point my friend yelled "Your daughter is a whore!" and he flipped us off. We were going nuts because Vince Coleman just acknowledged us. A major league player knew who we were. It's that 14 years olds logic behind these posts, I think. It could be just malice.

I'm glad they are getting deleted. I think the mods are almost being overly fair.

if anyone's got any interesting behind-the-scenes stories of robin's role in the band and his eventual decision(s) to leave, share 'em here! the buckethead leaving thread was one of the best ones we've seen here in years. i want more!

here's the only story i have about robin... we have a mutual friend, and she says he's one of the nicest, sweetest, most humble dudes in the world. just a total sweetheart to the core. so naturally, axl's behavior could often rub him the wrong way. she told me a story about one time axl slipped on stage or had problems with his ear monitor. he raged backstage and blamed it on one of the crew guys. he took the dude's laptop and smashed it on the ground. robin (and possibly others in the band) threatened to quit if didn't replace the guy's computer, which he did. and robin stayed for a while longer.

i'd like to hear more behind-the-scenes about robin's time in gnr. now that chinese democracy has come and gone, i hope people are more willing to talk about the making of that album, and what was going on with the band members.

It's pretty awesome that you have a niche in trolling, and you have it down to a science.

Trolling in 4 easy steps with HisRoyalSweetness:

Step 1. Post a seemingly innocuous thread title like "Share your heart warming stories about..."

Step 2. Show everyone how awesome you are and tell them about your mutual friends with band members or the time you partied with Axl and he spilled his guts to you.

Step 3. Now that everyone's guard is down spring the cupcake trap on them and SHIT on Axl. Mission Trollcomplished!

Step 4. Tie it all together with a sentence that links back to the headline.

cupcake sandwich complete.

Let me give you an example, kinda break it down. In this scenario you will replace Axl as the target. Watch what I do here and be amazed ...

Thread title: Does anyone have any cool behind the scene stories about Axl?

Thread content: I was hanging out with Ozzy at a club in NY a couple days after seeing GnR live and I saw Axl and DJ there. I said "Great show the other night guys, I can't believe you played 2 1/2 hours!" Axl was really chill about it and brought me into the VIP section. I told Ozzy I would meet up with him at the studio later and sat with Axl and DJ. They could not have been cooler. Axl was telling me how upsetting it was that some people simply could not let it go that the original line-up was done. He said it was really sad and incredible that it was pushing 2 decades since they put out music but some people hung on and trolled forums instead of getting on with their lives. We were still talking when HisRoyalSweetness came running up to the velvet rope separating the VIP's from the rest of the club. He was yelling "Please look at me! Pay attention to me!" and the bouncers started dragging him away(at least it looked like a him). Axl didn't acknowledge him. About 20 min later HisRoyalSweetness was back, stark naked with a bulls eye drawn on his ass with lipstick, running around the club begging people to look at him. "Someone, anyone, look at me!" He got tossed again, kicking and screaming the whole time. He was yelling at everyone who looked in the direction of the commotion "Please be my friend." ( when the night was over I saw HisRoyalSweetness crying in the parking lot when I left "You're a fucking loser." I said and he responded "I know, but you just looked at me and I feel relevant!" I just shook my head.) I finished my drink with Axl and he paid for Dj's drink and mine, he was really chill!

Anyway, that's my story about Axl, Does anyone else have any cool stories about him they can share? I'd like some insight on the recent leg of the tour.

Follow up post content: My friends (or myself on a different computer) post that they don't see the hidden agenda and anyone who posts to the contrary is "sensitive"

See what I did thar? See how I ninja'd that insult of you in there? I bet nobody could have guessed I had an agenda in that post. NOTE - I exaggerate your techniques to highlight them, so you don't have to post "I never said exactly that I was friends with Robin."

Just step up your fucking game if you're going to cupcake this hard and this fast. It's not so much that you are trolling that compels me to point it out, it's how fucking obvious you are.

Here are some tips:

1. Use more then a paragraph to sneak in your Axl barbs. It's not really ninja if it's 80% of the post, even when you mistitle the post. Someone can label dog shit as crumb cake, but you know it's not fucking crumb cake. You dig?

2. When you want to reset the same topic, but under a new thread name, wait more then a day. For example when you Posted "Do you think Axl plays CD as a fuck you to his fans?" You followed it up the next day with Your "Del James" post where you expertly snuck in "Axl told me he resents his fans." I will give you some credit that you didn't say "Axl told me he plays CD as a fuck you to the fans." but still. A wet t-shirt is a shirt, but we can still see those titties. People can't connect the dots if they are on top of each other. You dig

there's some great conversation going on in the buckethead thread. lots of people offering their perspectives, which sound slightly more informed than the usual forum banter. i'd like to get a serious thread going on del james and his role in guns n' roses. it seems like it's changed over the years, and as countless others have been excommunicated from the inner circle, del remains. will del be around forever? is he particularly tight with current management? i'd assume he'd have to be.

i'd like to invite people to share their stories about working with del james, partying with del james, or just meeting him.

i met del once, on the same night i met axl. beverly hills walk of style awards, after playing a small acoustic set. i talked to axl for twenty minutes or so. he was surprisingly candid, talking about frustrations he felt from the record label and resentment he felt towards fans and how they're unfairly critical of him. he talked about being crushingly depressed to the point where he didn't want to leave his house, but he seemed in high spirits that night. he was laughing and seemed to enjoy sharing his thoughts. but del kept interrupting axl, trying to stop him from talking to me. he kept inviting axl to join him in another conversation, and axl would tell him he'd be there in a minute. the third or fourth time del interrupted, axl snapped at him. just told him to buzz off and that he'd find him when he was done. del was absolutely not friendly to me. he would only look angrily in my direction.

that was my one encounter with del. but it was interesting that it happened in axl's presence. i think i'd have had a very different impression of del had i just met him alone somewhere. in my eyes, that seemed to lend credibility to stories others have told about del being one of the 'hangers on' who tries to insulate axl from the world. but i'd like to hear more stories about del's role in the band. maybe if snooze or madcap or jordanrose have some free time, they could volunteer some stories they've heard.

Wow, that's really crazy that Axl just opened up to you like that. On the heels of your thread where you put forward your cupcake thread that playing CD is a"fuck you" to the fans you follow it up with a personal story about how Axl opened up to you that he resented his fans.

Hmm

I also enjoyed the part about how strong your instant connection with Axl was that He was telling Del James to fuck off because he was more interested in you, and how Del's only recourse was to skulk away and stare daggers at you.

I'd like share my personal story of meeting Axl too. It was late 89. He bought me a beer and said you were a jagoff. Slash walked up and asked Axl if he could talk to me too, and Axl was like "Fuck you mother fucker, this band is over!" I said "Relax guys, everybody be cool, there is enough DS to go around!" and I kinda laughed it off like a joke and it seemed to ease things up a bit. I said to Axl "Axe man" (I called him the Axe man because we were that tight) "Axe man, you need to do a double album." and he was all like "Fuck yeah!" and that's when Duff asked "What should we call it?" and Axl made him face the wall for interrupting our conversation before asking me himself "What should we call it?" and I said "Use you Illusion." Axl was blown away "That's deep, show me. Show mw how to use my Illusion." I was like "No dude call it that, Use your Illusion I and II." Steven giggled and needless to say he had recorded his last song for GnR, you betcha. I saved the band that night, but it didn't last Too bad I wasn't around in 95, but I was busy forming Staind and Evanescence in 95.

Anywho, after we went skydiving off the space shuttle. I think Wasted and Madison were there, they can back me up. (We actually created the internet that night when we decided the evening was so cool we would need a medium to remember it a decade later. We even picked our screen names and wrote them in the devils book.) The party kinda died when Hall of Fame running back Jim Brown ran out and punched Duff in the pancreas. Good thing Chuck Norris was there to fend him off with holy water.

Your story was cool too, bro.

I'm sorry, I thought I was in the GnR Discussion and News forum. Clearly this is not it, boy is my face red! Can anyone link me to the GnR Discussion and News forum? I was looking for Gun N Roses related discussion and news. Silly me I must have gotten lost on the big ole interwebs. Confounded computer!

gnr has the greatest opening song any band could ever hope for. but they've been choosing to kick their sets off with a hugely unpopular single from their most unpopular album. i think it's ballsy as hell in a way. but also lame in another way. do you think kicking his shows off with a turdy song fans aren't really into is just his way of saying 'fuck you' to those same fans who would rather he play popular songs / reunite / lose weight / rehearse? it's like he's raising a middle finger to the world every time they launch into that song.

"it don't really matter!"

I'm glad I'm a slow enough typer that I am forced to think about what I am actually saying before I submit it. I think a lot of random instant thoughts get posted here.

Anyways, The hair stood up on the back of my neck when they opened with this, so no. Maybe it's a proper "Fuck you!" to the TWATs n cunts that wont let it the fuck go that there was an album after UYI, Slash is not in the fucking band anymore and their wont be a goddam motherfucking reunion. I stand beside Axl in this regard, and add a STFU in for good measure.

certainly axl knows everyone there would rather hear welcome to the jungle, or pretty much any song from the hall of fame line-up. also, the song chinese democracy was such a resounding flop, notwithstanding the monumental hype. it just seems to anti-climatic to kick things off with a song so few people really like. i can understand burying the less popular new stuff somewhere else in the set -- like, say, between the instrumental version of the pink panther and dizzy reed's nightly wank-a-thon. but to kick things off with such a turd? i get it as an act of defiance. and i get it as a selfish way to hear some applause while playing one of the less popular new songs. i just think it's kind of a shame, considering how much better and more beloved and appropriate jungle is to start things off.

i thought we were finally done with the chinese democracy tour anyways. maybe it's time to finally let some of these unpopular songs die their well-earned death.

News flash: You don't like the fucking band anymore. Move on and stop bitching about a band you don't even like. Do you understand how sad your post is? "Wahhh Why can't it be 1987?!? Wahhh." Does this shit happen on like Beatles web sites? "Paul should open with I wanna hold your hand because that's the song I like and the world revolves around me. Wahhh I pooped myself a little how has no one attended to my need yet?!"

I gotta say the people in Philly seemed pretty fucking happy with the opening. I guess they were nobody, because "everybody" wanted WTTJ instead. Your name fits. Ass hat.

You do know that swearing and insulting people doesn't make your opinion matter more, right? It just means you aren't intelligent to debate/discuss issues with those that you apparently disagree with.

You seem to be the one obsessed with the old band's success. The old band being the guys who created the songs the new band are making a living off of today.

Seriously, it is ok to have civil discussions with people who have a different opinion than you do. And not every negative comment means somebody prefers Slash over Axl, or that they are stuck in the 80s. And insulting people says more about you than it does about those you are insulting.

As for the topic. I've seen polls where Jungle was listed as the greatest rock concert opener of all time. It is a rock n roll classic. It is played in almost every major college and pro sporting event.

Chinese democracy? It was a failed single. And a song that rarely gets listed as one of the best off of CD.

If you polled everybody who has attended a GnR show the past decade and asked whether they would rather hear Jungle or CD, which one do you think would win? It seriously wouldn't even be close.

So it is a relevant and interesting topic for a GnR forum. Why would Axl choose to open a show with a song that the majority of fans attended the show would disagree with?

1. How is supporting CD as an opener = me being obsessed with the 80's?

2. No, not every negative comment means someone is trapped in the 80's or prefers the old line-up. 100% correct. You know where I got confused into thinking he did was when he said "axl knows everyone there (sic) would rather hear welcome to the jungle, or pretty much any song from the hall of fame line-up" Silly me.

3. It's impossible to have an intelligent debate with someone who:

A. Has an agenda.

B. Has not made an intellegent point.

You CANNOT say that "everyone" hates CD or that "everyone" would rather WTTJ. It's just stupid. It's a pro original line-up cupcake with an agenda post. It's so old and sad already. Move on to antoher band. If you hate the CD album, and you hate the new line up then you don't like GnR anymore. Move on to another band or limit your posts to the forums dedicated to the old line-up. Don't cry when someone calls you out on your bullshit and amature level trolling. You used to like GnR, deal with it.