Vincent Vega

All through the years, we've had a lot of people, jealous people, try to take down and destroy Axl and his vision. From the start, we had people like Mick Wall and the media in general who had a bias against Axl even before he ever said a word, probably because he's from Indiana and isn't a member of the Eastern intellectual elite. The media likes to take the piss out of guys from small towns who make it big. He's had frivolous lawsuit after lawsuit lodged at him by vicious people, including his own former bandmates. Slash and Duff, once they realized Axl wouldn't turn GN'R into AC/DC, turned against him and stopped riding his coattails and they became GN'R's biggest enemies and helped the press take down Axl's vision. And we've had managers, record label people, producers, and various band members like Buckethead and Finck all trying to derail or sabotage Axl's vision of this great new Guns N' Roses in one way or another....

Axl has always been a victim of those around him, from the media to junkie band mates to lawyers and devious managers and fire marshalls, but would you ever say there was an instance in which Axl himself was wrong? I can't think of any time where it was truly Axl's fault.

What song do you want played at your funeral?

I want a song called "The Hell of It" by Paul Williams played at mine. Lyrics:

Who was better, who do you prefer?

Are you really that thick Miser? You seriously think The Animals and The Stones etc naturally sang like aged American black men from the Mississippi? And that goes for any of that blues boom lot.

Nowhere did I say they "sang like that naturally". They're all copping a black affect to their voice, I'm just wondering who did it first, Mick or the other British artists there mentioned? Their affect, accent, phrasing is way too similar for it to just be copying black musicians from Mississippi, I mean put on Mystic Eyes or Lil Red Riding Hood and people would probably think it's Jagger singing.

Mick is praised (justifiably) cause of his songwriting talents and charisma and stage presence....and that's justified.

But as a singer, just a vocalist, was he really that good? I mean if you listen to a ton of artists who were popular around the same time the Stones came up, it just seems like Mick borrowed a lot from others.

Listening to

House of the Rising Sun by The Animals

Mystic Eyes by Them (featuring Van Morrison)

Little Red Riding Hood by Sam The Sham

All of them released before the Stones' popularity took off in America at least, pre 65 or 66. All of them feature vocals which are very similar to Mick's delivery, phrasing, accent. It just makes me wonder if he took a lot of his vocal stylings from such singers?

What are your favorite Led Zeppelin songs, and your least favorite?

Favorite:

Ten Years Gone

Battle of Evermore

The Rover

Ramble On

Custard Pie

Gallows Pole

Candy Store Rock

Stairway

Houses of the Holy

What is and What Should Never

Down by The Seaside

The Rain Song

Nobody's Fault But Mine

Fool in the Rain

Carouselambra

Dancing Days

The Song Remains the Same

Achilles Last Stand

Hey, Hey What Can I Do?

Black Mountain Side

Least:

I Can't Quit You Baby

How Many More Times

Bring it on Home

Kashmir

South Bound Saurez

Boogie With Stu

Night Flight

The Crunge

Hot Dog

Hots on For Nowhere

I'm Gonna Crawl

Darlene

Wearing and Tearing

I think a good 70% of In Through the Out Door is crap.

Sid Vicious.

Does it strike anyone else as being a tad ironic that the words "hooray for tolerance!" and "hooray for tolerance!" are censored on a Guns N' Roses message board--a board infamous for using those very words in a song? It just strikes me as kind of silly that certain words have to be censored. Why?

And if we're going along censoring words which offend people, why aren't the following words ALSO filtered?:

Dyke

Dago

Greaseball

Spic

Chink

Fag

Gook

Wop

Mick

Kraut

Wetback

Guinea

Lesbo

Negro

Honky

All examples of words which are/also can be very offensive if used in reference toward certain groups, races and peoples, yet those words are allowed. What gives?

Smooth - you often do make great posts. I think you end up turning people off because you usually follow your point by saying something like "and anybody who doesn't agree is a f*cking moron" or something like that.

As for this topic.

Maybe some people feel like glorfiying these people is a bit of a slap in the face to the people that they brutally raped, tortured and killed.

Imagine if your CHILD/wife/mother/sister/gf left your house to go to the grocery store and never came back.

After searching for her for months, going through hell and misery each minute of every day, the remains of your child/wife/etc are found.

Turns out that some scumbag kidnapped them. Raped and tortured them for a week. Then killed and ate their flesh.

A few years later you meet a guy who says "Oh yea, I remember that case. I've got a portrait of the killer up in my house, I've got the guy's autograph and several paintings he's done from jail, and all the books every written about him. SUCH a fascinating man, he's my hobby."

Would you say "Oh cool, everybody has a weird hobby or two." Or would you think the guy was a freak and you'd want to punch him in the face?

These people rape, torture, murder and eat innocent victims. Why anybody would want autographs or anything associated with them makes no sense.

+10000 you are always the voice of reason on this forum.

I'll put it this way: Even I think having a collection of serial killer memorabilia is creepy. That says a lot.

Kanye is going to be a great father, with that selfless and selfdenying nature he has.

What's amazing about Freddie is how his voice never really changed. Go listen to Queen's first album, then listen to Made in Heaven (which he recorded the vocals to while dying)....He sounds exactly the same, same range, same power....He had a truly amazing voice and a lot of versatility and just had an amazing presence, an incredible amount of charisma and a great rapport with and respect for his fans. The guy could capture and hold an audience like very few others, ten times better than Axl could ever hope to be and really on par with people like Elvis and others in that regard. He wasn't the greatest songwriter ever, BUT, he was able to write very well in numerous genres, and when a songwriter can adeptly go from one genre to another that speaks to their talent.

But like most amazing singers in great bands, while Freddie wouldn't have been nearly as good if he didn't have Brian backing him up, and vice versa. They were a match made in heaven.

As a pure singer/frontman alone I would put him next to Elvis, Jim Morrison and Robert Plant.

Dude, only vocals from two songs from Made in Heaven were from 1991. The others range from 1980-1989.

I know, i meant on the 'new' songs, he sounds the same as he did in the beginning.

I wouldn't put Jim Morrison up there. I think his voice was somewhat average, only he used a lower register.

I put him in there not because he had tremendous ability--he didn't--but because of what he did do with his voice. I mean technically he wasn't all that great, but he had that amazing charisma and presence few have and the voice was sultry enough and had enough range to push him up there. But as a pure vocalist alone no he's nowhere near the others. It's more the whole package.

Just as GN'R basically covered '70s/early 80s Punk with TSI, their inclusion of SIDHY got me thinking: Wouldn't it be cool if some young band took like really obscure rockabilly, doo wop and motown songs and covered them on a record? I don't mean the obvious hits but like the more obscure unknown stuff that was part of rock's early foundation.

If GN'R had released this as a mini album, a stop gap sometime in 1990 between Lies and the UYIs, how do you think it would've fared:

1) Bring it Back Home

2) Just Another Sunday (released as single)

3) Crash Diet (with Slash solo instead)

4) Jumpin' Jack Flash (released as single)

5) Sentimental Movie (Izzy, Axl & Duff on vox instead, polished)

6) Cornshucker

7) KOHD (since it was released in '90)

8) Shadow of Your Love

9) Civil War (again, it was released in '90)

What's amazing about Freddie is how his voice never really changed. Go listen to Queen's first album, then listen to Made in Heaven (which he recorded the vocals to while dying)....He sounds exactly the same, same range, same power....He had a truly amazing voice and a lot of versatility and just had an amazing presence, an incredible amount of charisma and a great rapport with and respect for his fans. The guy could capture and hold an audience like very few others, ten times better than Axl could ever hope to be and really on par with people like Elvis and others in that regard. He wasn't the greatest songwriter ever, BUT, he was able to write very well in numerous genres, and when a songwriter can adeptly go from one genre to another that speaks to their talent.

But like most amazing singers in great bands, while Freddie wouldn't have been nearly as good if he didn't have Brian backing him up, and vice versa. They were a match made in heaven.

As a pure singer/frontman alone I would put him next to Elvis, Jim Morrison and Robert Plant.

Yeah, their JJF was brilliant see because their heavy handed style was suited to it. But they made a right cock up of Heartbreak Hotel. Well, not as bad as Sympathy for the Devil, it was like, slightly above average, not fuckin' intolerable like Sympathy was.

I think Heartbreak Hotel was actually a real disgrace of a cover. Elvis' version is sexy, it's subtle, it sort of slinks along with his sultry vocals and delivery...It's raw and basic. GN'R takes it and has Axl screeching all over it and it just comes off hammy and banal...Elvis songs aren't suited toward being punked up, at least not Heartbreak Hotel.

It would've been nice if they could've gotten another take where Izzy is actually on the song.

as a pure vocalist I would say guys like jackson, stevie wonder, and marvin gaye would kill freddie mercury. i know michael jackson is more pop, but he was better than all others honestly. If you want just rock guys, I would say freddie is top 3. But including all pop and r & b guys he's probably not even top ten.

Oh Marvin all fuckin day man!! Marvin Marvin Marvin!!

After Marv' Otis Redding and Sam Cooke i have no more interest in voices in terms of like, a textbook good voice cuz they can't be touched, itd why i only really like quirky or different type voices now, you can't actually take the classical 'good' voice thing any further than those 3.

Sam Cooke was amazing.

You know how couples have a "song" sometimes?

In you guys experiences, if a couple has a song and then they break up...Can that song ever be truly shared with another partner, and become their song with you? I ask because one of my favorite songs in the world is "Angel Baby" by Rosie & The Originals, it's just one of the most raw, truest love songs ever IMO but it was one of mine and my ex's songs...and while I associate it with her...I wonder if it'd be just to ever associate it with someone else in the future....

Which is the best?

Most definitely. That is a life changing experience.

I wonder if he would've written songs similar to Lennon's "Beautiful Boy", had he had a child then?

Axl might've matured and had peace in his heart a lot sooner if he'd had a kid with Erin back in 1990.

Axl expressed a profound desire to have a family back in the early '90s. He and Erin almost had a child but she miscarried. Not too long after, he got together with Stephanie and became deeply emotionally attached to her son Dylan, to the point of viewing the child as a son of his own. And it seems their break up hurt Axl both in terms of losing her AND because in losing her, he lost Dylan.

Given what we know about Axl's own childhood, and his expressed desire back then for a family of his own, do you think if Axl had had a kid in the early '90s, it would've changed him, mellowed him out a bit? I just wonder how the hellion Axl Rose of 1991-1993 would've been if he was also a Father with a baby. Wonder how it would've affected his attitude and outlook.

They had no problems replacing Adler when he broke his hand.

This is W. Axl Rose we are talking about, a guy who could have an argument with a dish cloth, a guy who can go into a rage for reasons known only to himself. If Axl truly believed Adler did those things to Erin, I cannot envision him ever agreeing to stepping on the same stage with the guy.

Then we have a third window of time it could've occurred in: Between July 1990 (Steven's firing) and November 1990 (Axl and Erin break up).

It's either one of these three: February-April 1990; April-July 1990; or July-November 1990.

Either way it occurred in 1990.

Do you guys actually hear the difference between drum styles in Civil War and the rest of the tracks on the UYI albums?

No. I've sometimes thought the drums was actually done by Matt and that Steven was given a credit anyway, because it does seriously sound like Matt drumming, it even has similar fills.

But then, the other guys wrote the UYI drum parts, so the drums were going to sound the same no matter who played them.

It is possible but that scenario would still entail, Axl agreeing to appear live on stage with the guy who shot up his fiance on April 7th!!

They were probably already booked by March and couldn't get anyone else last minute. It was might've been either do the show with Steven or not do it.