frankwhite

I've got Bollocks and I have listened to it many times. The only thing I learned was to never trust any hype.

i agree, dont believe the hype, but dont also ignore that Nevermind The Bollocks transformed the history of rock n roll and its direction, for better or for worse.

Johnny Rotten, Iggy Pop, Kurt Cobain, Ari Up, Joey Ramone, Elvis Presley, Little Richard most definitely, Eddie Cochran, Hank Williams, Axl Rose oh i could go on forever...can't pick.

Calling him a bassist is not right. He couldn't play.

its called learning, everybody has to do it. its just he had to do it in public.

its true, he joined the pistols...knew bare basics and was expected to learn in public.

Except for when he played, they would unplug his bass from the amp because he kept fucking up the songs.... in public.

y'know when they actually did that? on the american tour, which lasted for about six weeks or less i cant remember because he was so strung out, its not like he was always unplugged, and they broke up after that tour so that whole "he played unplugged" thing that all and sundry and hawking around is actually just relevant to a couple of incidents, very rare and the reason i know this is that if you listen to the american gigs you can hear some VERY poor bass playing going on.

and knerken, sit down, buy yourself a music history book along with a copy of nevermind the bollocks and educate yourself.

Calling him a bassist is not right. He couldn't play.

its called learning, everybody has to do it. its just he had to do it in public.

its true, he joined the pistols...knew bare basics and was expected to learn in public.

I happened to be on a moving bus at the time. Though he did stick two up at me for staring at him!

get the fuck out of here!!! i'd jump out of a moving plane if i thought i might land near sid vicious

SID VISCIOUS LIVES! He was walking down Bootham in York with a male friend outside the Brill sandwitch shop.

and you didnt stop him? cant believe im actually discussing this.

quit it, no you didnt. he's dead...

was awesome

yup, that's right. I've seen Siddyboy!

hey, dont be cruel, thats my hero you're talking about!

Check out this old thread of mine!

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=60921&hl=

Happy Birthday old pal!

you saw what?!?!

Calling him a bassist is not right. He couldn't play.

its called learning, everybody has to do it. its just he had to do it in public.

If he were alive.

there are no bad voices...just different. i garuntee you that EVERY voice in the world, somebody likes and as soon as somebody likes it, its existence is justified.

99% of the bands i like have singers with voices that could typically construed as crappy, Darby Crash from The Germs, GG Allin, Poly Styrene, Johnny Rotten, i love bad voices, fuck that note holding shit, its clinical and mundane.

i dont see the point in music biopics, they all turn out crappy and the "real" fans (whatever that means) can see the glaring amounts of bullshit in them and worse than that people watch these pieces of shit and think that this is how shit went down when it aint. like the leadbelly movie for instances, half of the stuff in his life was all rumor anyway and the movie just amplified that. same with the Doors, 90% of the dialogue of which is stolen from Jims writing and tons of it is just WILDLY inaccurate, he never quit film school, he never dived into the crowd and ran around the audience while singing 'dead cats, dead rats' in Miami and that semi-riot they ennact never happened, its just pure sensationalist bullshit. having said that i dont two shits about Queen so there ya go, still dont think they should be misrepresented, least of all by a comedian whoose fame is predicated on a character who makes it OK for the middle classes to laugh at what they percieve to be 'black culture'.

Rumor has it his voice could carry 500 yards without amplification. the quality of the only recordings i can find is kind of crappy but jesus lord could he put a song across. i am totally stuck on "some these days i'll be gone" at the moment and i've only the one album of his which is like a 3 cd set, one of those 'the definitive' ones but it totally blows me away everytime i listen to it. the old crackly recording gives it a touch that borders on the sinister almost. i can't overstate how powerful his music comes across, just felt the need to share this and wholeheartedly reccomend to any and everyone this immense artist. its like a captured distilled document of a lost time, a lost time that, the more i get into this kind of music that i begin to grasp how pivotal it is to all the music that followed.

I ask you to find another musician out there today that walks the walk of their talk with such disturbing conviction..

Well, I can think of one person in particular. However, he doesn't talk...

GG Allin??? more conviction too. he's out there too....in bone form i am sure.

Got to say Iggy, nobody could touch that guy when he was in his prime.

Iggy was insane. I've seen a video from back in the day where he was throwing peanut butter at the audience!

This is the footage you are talking about. Greatest live footage of any band, EVER. Iggy took 2 hits of acid before that show, and apparently, Stiv Bators was the person who gave Iggy the peanut butter.

Got to say Iggy, nobody could touch that guy when he was in his prime.

Iggy was insane. I've seen a video from back in the day where he was throwing peanut butter at the audience!

what a bad ass.....

Would you go find Axl and suck his cock literally now, please?!?!

yeah, Iggy never ran offa no stage cuz people were thrownin shit unlike some people, he gave as good as he got.

the clash are like ok this is our reggae song, this is our punk song, this is our working class plight song, this is our history lesson song (spanish bombs much?) and they just come off REALLY phoney

I respect the rest of your post as oppinion, but that part I've heard you said before and I think it's utter garbage. If you've ever wrote a song you'd know that's not at all what they were trying to achieve, using your logic you could say that GN'R were trying to be like"This is my song about how much we drink, this is my song about my friends drug addiction, this is my song about my girlfriend" which is a completely ignorant way of looking at it. I think that after Give 'Em Enough Rope (Clash's 2nd album) the whole Riff rock thing obviously wasn't working so they started experimenting with the kinds of music that they grew up with and loved (raggae, funk etc.) It was just a coincidence that this album turned out to be something that your twisted logic doesn't appreciate.

maybe you're right man because...im just like talkin about 'as far as i can see' and i think everyones scope has great limitations but...the guns parrallel is different because you're not talkin about genres, these are not intellectual masturbation points. and im sorry but...they did not grow up loving reggae like u say, funny how they never mentioned their 'love' for reggae until Johnny Rotten went on London Radio and playing his favorite tracks and putting Dr Alimentado and King Tubby and the like on there...funny how it took so long after to point out how they "loved" reggae. funny how the slits and a lotta other london scene bands released their reggae/dub influenced music before the clash decided to make these painfully blatant immitative songs to magnify their diversity. where were they before? i mean its not like they were the least vocal punk band. btw white man in the hammersmith palais is one of my favorite songs of all time.

i dont agree at all. i think its an awful album, almost an insulting album. it seems to me like a band dying to express a kind of diversity but with no honesty to it. it lacks passion and is chock full of...a kind of student-phoneyness. theres a big lie to that album that...i dunno, maybe its only me who sees it. i mean...it looks like a buncha london boys who are basically your intellectual student types posing as the working classes and DESPERATELY trying to express some kind of diversity and suceeding only in creating a kind of tedium. this is one of the most overrated albums in the world and a great students name drop to show that you have a varied taste (not directed at u OD, u know i love u). i think this album is pathetic to be honest. see diversity is best expressed in...not trying to recreate a kind of sound, rather taking elements and rearranging and most importantly, bringing something fresh and vital of your own (which the clash consistently failed to do) to the table and then...presenting your creation and more oft than not the end product ends up sounding like nothing you could imagine. im gonna use the example OD that i must come across like im pushin down everyones throat but i think its pertinent, of Public Image Limited. listen to those bass lines....thats pure dub reggae, then listen to the electronica work, reminiscent of Kraftwerk and like...totally entrenched in what rave house hardcore etc all ending up becoming. but my point is it is all thrown in the boiling pot with that X factor of PiL's own personality thrown in there to produce this..alein product that sounds unlike anything else and makes your (or maybe just my?) jaw drop open and go "what the fuck is this?!?!". the clash are like ok this is our reggae song, this is our punk song, this is our working class plight song, this is our history lesson song (spanish bombs much?) and they just come off REALLY phoney. just my opinion, i dont mean to rank anyones taste, just sayin what i see.

Well, I think it coalesces better than you grant it to. I think most of the songs are about in the same mode. It's melodic Punk Rock for the most part. I love to talk about "Lost in the Supermarket", but bear with me; there's a real poignancy to that song, it really captures the pathetic nature of some people's lives in a modernizing world. That kind of song holds it's own anywhere. I might have pointed this out before as well, but most of the arguments you make should apply to Exile On Main St., but I don't think you would be pointing these things out in that case. I wouldn't say that these guys were all that inauthentic, Paul Simonon was at least from a very diverse part of London, and that's where the Reggae influences come from. I guess these types of albums get a sort of stigma about them that not everyone can get over, but I love it.

y'know what? the exile on main street parrallel never occured to me until u just pointed it out now. but dammit that was like...i dunno am i just a pistols fan thats predudiced against the clash? i dont think so cuz i love their first album and a lotta the others, including cut the crap but...yeah i guess the parrallel you pointed out makes a dumpload of sense...why do i love Ex On Main Street??? u got me thinkin...

i dont agree at all. i think its an awful album, almost an insulting album. it seems to me like a band dying to express a kind of diversity but with no honesty to it. it lacks passion and is chock full of...a kind of student-phoneyness. theres a big lie to that album that...i dunno, maybe its only me who sees it. i mean...it looks like a buncha london boys who are basically your intellectual student types posing as the working classes and DESPERATELY trying to express some kind of diversity and suceeding only in creating a kind of tedium. this is one of the most overrated albums in the world and a great students name drop to show that you have a varied taste (not directed at u OD, u know i love u). i think this album is pathetic to be honest. see diversity is best expressed in...not trying to recreate a kind of sound, rather taking elements and rearranging and most importantly, bringing something fresh and vital of your own (which the clash consistently failed to do) to the table and then...presenting your creation and more oft than not the end product ends up sounding like nothing you could imagine. im gonna use the example OD that i must come across like im pushin down everyones throat but i think its pertinent, of Public Image Limited. listen to those bass lines....thats pure dub reggae, then listen to the electronica work, reminiscent of Kraftwerk and like...totally entrenched in what rave house hardcore etc all ending up becoming. but my point is it is all thrown in the boiling pot with that X factor of PiL's own personality thrown in there to produce this..alein product that sounds unlike anything else and makes your (or maybe just my?) jaw drop open and go "what the fuck is this?!?!". the clash are like ok this is our reggae song, this is our punk song, this is our working class plight song, this is our history lesson song (spanish bombs much?) and they just come off REALLY phoney. just my opinion, i dont mean to rank anyones taste, just sayin what i see. i mean, i totally dont know as much as music as u and im CONSTANTLY askin what you meant by stuffs to...to understand y'know so really dont mean to offend you cuz you're totally like...like you know TONS more than me so you've got a lot more clarity to how you think so...take this for what its worth.

i dont like no negativity in my life but..U2 suck

Joey Ramone?!?! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what the fuck man?

i wont listen because John Lennon is God to me and if i did listen i'd only unfairly judge your work which is wrong. i despise all beatles or beatle related covers because....i cant help it, the originals mean so much to me. always make comparisons.

Made me laugh, the same thing you said with the Paul Gilbert thing.

I tell you, liste to Gilberts' guitar solo, it's so amazing.

its a very stupid thing irrational thing i have. im usually very reasonable but...not with that

i wont listen because John Lennon is God to me and if i did listen i'd only unfairly judge your work which is wrong. i despise all beatles or beatle related covers because....i cant help it, the originals mean so much to me. always make comparisons.