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  1. The Labour leaks really should be a story, if there wasn't a certain world event happening atm.

    They show that several key staffers tried to litterally throw seats, hoped the Torries would win and briefed press against the party. Alot of nastiness in it.

    Some of the names still in key positions, 1 of them is Jonthan Asworth's wife. Ashworth is the shadow health secetary who got "recorded" on tape by a conservative friend the week before the election suggesting he was hoping Labour wouldn't win. He blew it off as a joke, despite the fact that it was a big story and all over the 6'o clock news. It wasn't a joke for his wife.

    Also in relation to antisemtism... Cases were intentionally acted upon slow and briefed to the press to harm the leadership. 

    Watson was involved in Ken Livingston not getting expelled, because it would be better to "embarrass" Corbyn instead.

    There's litterally multiple copies of their convos attacking various mps and trying to lose an election.

  2. Labour antisemitism investigation will not be sent to equality commission
    A report found factional hostility towards Jeremy Corbyn amongst former senior officials contributed to "a litany of mistakes".
    Tom Rayner - Political correspondent

    Tom Rayner

    Political correspondent @RaynerSkyNews

    Sunday 12 April 2020 10:15, UK

     

    An extensive internal investigation into the way Labour handled antisemitism complaints will not be submitted to the Equality and Human Rights Commission, after an intervention by party lawyers.

    The 860-page report, seen by Sky News, concluded factional hostility towards Jeremy Corbyn amongst former senior officials contributed to "a litany of mistakes" that hindered the effective handling of the issue.

     

    The investigation, which was completed in the last month of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, claims to have found "no evidence" of antisemitism complaints being treated differently to other forms of complaint, or of current or former staff being "motivated by antisemitic intent".

    Labour party leader Jeremy Corbyn speaks to the media on the coronavirus pandemic outside the Finsbury Park Jobcentre, north London.
    Image:The investigation was completed in the last month of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership

    Instead, the report concludes there was a lack of "robust processes, systems, training, education and effective line management" and found "abundant evidence of a hyper-factional atmosphere prevailing in Party HQ" towards Mr Corbyn which "affected the expeditious and resolute handling of disciplinary complaints".

    As well as 10,000 separate emails, the dossier uncovers thousands of private WhatsApp communications between former senior party officials and singles out for criticism some who gave whistleblower evidence to last year's highly-critical BBC Panorama investigation on antisemitism within Labour.

    These include the former General Secretary Lord McNicol and the former acting head of the governance and legal unit, Sam Matthews.

    Those involved in compiling the huge dossier insist it was intended to provide additional context to the equalities watchdog and supplement the party's main submissions to the investigation into institutional antisemitic racism.

    Indeed the report directly addresses the EHRC on several occasions, including urging the watchdog to "question the validity of the personal testimonies" of former members of staff and to "focus instead on the documentary, primary-source evidence that the Party has made available", leaving little doubt as to the intention of its authors that the document be submitted to the investigation.

    However, Sky News understands party lawyers have told General Secretary Jennie Formby the report entitled: "The work of the Labour Party's Governance and Legal Unit in relation to antisemitism, 2014 - 2019", should not be submitted to the Commission, due to fears it could damage the party's wider case.

    A Labour Party spokesperson disputed the suggestion the report was ever intended to be submitted to the EHRC, saying:"The Party has submitted extensive information to the EHRC and responded to questions and requests for further information, none of which included this document."

    It is understood party lawyers consider the document to be a draft internal report covering a time period and breadth of issues that are not within the scope of the watchdog's investigation, and that it should be used to inform and enhance the party's understanding of the situation.

    But that decision has prompted widespread concern amongst those who worked in the most senior positions in the leadership office of Jeremy Corbyn, with one telling Sky News: "This report completely blows open everything that went on".

    "We were being sabotaged and set up left right and centre by McNicol's team and we didn't even know. It's so important that the truth comes out", the source added.

    The report claims private communications show senior former staff "openly worked against the aims and objectives of the leadership of the Party, and in the 2017 general election some key staff even appeared to work against the Party's core objective of winning elections".

    The report says the WhatsApp communications in question, which included some of the most senior figures in the party headquarters and Lord McNicol's office, were leaked by one of the group's members.

    The examples from chat archives published in the document include:

    • Conversations in 2017 which appear to show senior staff preparing for Tom Watson to become interim leader in anticipation of Mr Corbyn losing the election
    • Conversations which it is claimed show senior staff hid information from the leader's office about digital spending and contact details for MPs and candidates during the election
    • Conversations on election night in which the members of the group talk about the need to hide their disappointment that Mr Corbyn had done better than expected and would be unlikely to resign
    • A discussion about whether the grassroots activist network Momentum could be "proscribed" for being a "party within a party"
    • A discussion about "unsuspending" a former Labour MP who was critical of Mr Corbyn so they could stand as a candidate in the 2017 election
    • A discussion about how to prevent Corbyn ally Rebecca Long-Bailey gaining a seat on the party's governing body in 2017
    • Regular references to corbyn-supporting party staff as "trots"
    • Conversations between senior staff in Lord McNicol's office in which they refer to former director of communications Seamus Milne as "dracula", and saying he was "spiteful and evil and we should make sure he is never allowed in our Party if it's last thing we do"
    • Conversations in which the same group refers to Mr Corbyn's former chief of staff Karie Murphy as "medusa", a "crazy woman" and a "bitch face cow" that would "make a good dartboard"
    • A discussion in which one of the group members expresses their "hope" that a young pro-Corbyn Labour activist, who they acknowledge had mental health problems, "dies in a fire"

    The investigation also accuses the former General Secretary Lord McNicol, and other senior figures of providing "false and misleading information" to Jeremy Corbyn's office in relation to the handling of antisemitism complaints, which the report claims meant "the scale of the problem was not appreciated" by the leadership.

    The report claims McNicol and staff in the Governance and Legal Unit "provided timetables for the resolution of cases that were never met; falsely claimed to have processed all antisemitism complaints; falsely claimed that most complaints received were not about Labour members and provided highly inaccurate statistics of antisemitism complaints".

    Responding to the messages cited and the allegations made against him in the report, Lord McNicol said:"The energy and effort that must have been invested in trawling 10,000 emails rather than challenging antisemitism in the party is deeply troubling.

    "This a petty attempt to divert attention away from the real issue. It is telling that the Party's own lawyers appear to have ruled that this information was unsuitable for submission to the EHRC's ongoing investigation.

    "I have repeatedly stood by the professional staff of the Labour Party who I worked with over the seven and a half year period I was General Secretary, and continue to do so."

    The report also claims Sam Matthews, who served first as Head of Disputes and then as acting Head of the Governance and Legal Unit, "rarely replied or took any action, and the vast majority of times where action did occur, it was prompted by other Labour staff directly chasing this themselves".

    It states that there was a failure to develop "detailed or coherent guidelines for investigating complaints based on social media conduct" and a failure to "implement the Macpherson principle of logging and investigating complaints of racism as racism".

    Following what the report describes as a "systematic review" of all complaints received between November 2016 to February 2018, it claims investigations were initiated into only 34 of the more than 300 complaints received in relation to antisemitism.

    "At least half of these warranted action, many of them in relation to very extreme forms of antisemitism, but were ignored. Almost all of these complaints were forwarded from one inbox to another, and many of them were identified as Labour members and sent to the Head of Disputes, Sam Matthews, for action", the report claims.

    In a statement to Sky News responding to the leaked report, Sam Matthews said: "This latest episode comes as no surprise to me, as an effort by a disgruntled faction who are floundering in their attempts to blame others in order to distract from matters that will be investigated by the EHRC and the Courts.

    "I hope Keir Starmer will stand by his commitment to undo the damage that they and their supporters have caused.

    Mr Matthews continued: "The proper examination of the full evidence will show that as Head of Disputes and Acting Director, I did my level best to tackle the poison of anti-Jewish racism which was growing under Jeremy Corbyn's leadership.

    "A highly selective, retrospective review of the Party's poor record, not deemed good enough for submission by the Party's own lawyers and conducted in the dying days of a Corbyn's leadership in order to justify their inaction, simply cannot be relied upon."

     

    https://news.sky.com/story/labour-antisemitism-investigation-will-not-be-sent-to-equality-commission-11972071

  3. 9 minutes ago, Dazey said:

    Dr Who warned Boris? Fuck me! What? With her Tardis and everything? :lol: 

    It'd be funny if it wasn't a serious story.

    This whole lion-izing Boris like he's Jesus on a cross is disturbing.

    Thousands of people dying atm. The fiqures we get the news don't include deaths outside hospitals or in care homes apparently.

    This nonsence about how Boris is a fighter and too strong willed... does that mean the thousands dead weren't?

    Trying to resist the urge to say more. I wish no harm on anyone, but this is the last person who should be treated as a martyr.

  4. So after years of attacking the nhs and playing his part in staff shortages, Bo Jo is hosptialized.

    Again mixed feelings, but I don't wish harm on anyone.

  5. First of all, it's the honeymoon peroid after a election where the opposition has been beaten.

    Second of all, we're in a crisis comparable to a war. Most leaders get bumps at time's like this and many have. He gets to pretend he's churchill and doing everything in the country's interest. The backlash comes later.

    Thirdly it's yougov, apart from those 2 mrrp polls... it's often not the best indicator of public view. There's a bit of a dubious history of how they frame questions and the answers they let you give to major issues.

    Finally... there's still a pretty decent chance we end up with a no deal brexit in December or a deal that might as well be no deal.

    As for Keir... like Dazy said, the Torries have a massive majority. Labour have little to no role to play short term. The election is more than 4 years away, almost a full term (unless Theresa May luck  striked again). It's too early to say anything about the election. Alot can happen.

    @Padme

    Keir was behind Labour's brexit position during the election. It was basically a brexit so soft, it's basically remaining vs. actually remaining via referendum.

  6. So it's over now.

    Season really was a mixed bag with alot little issues that could easily be corrected.

    However, it's Jean-Luc Picard and Seven of Nine... I just want to see these characters forever on tv as a fan.

    Jeri Ryan actually seemed the most comfortable in her role throughout. Just a shame she didn't get much to do over the season. I assume she'll be a regular in season 2 though.

    I wonder however if there was a rights issue with this show. They really shyed away from showing the different Starfleet ships and the klingons were absent. Hopefully though if we do see Worf for example in season 2... it isn't with that new design for klingons in Discovery or the jj films. Also less music and lense flares please.

  7. Enterprise is the one I'd skip if I had too.

    Enterprise's greatest crime apart from being a lazy prequel is that most if it was boring imo.

    So bad that they never pay off the main arc about future Archer being the mystery villian and instead made a new mini episode of tng with Riker and Troi to end the show.

  8. 15 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

    They concentrated a lot on Neelix and Kes in the early episodes and the Kazon were ''poor man's Klingons'' really. The show perked-up when they ditched the Kazon and brought in Seven of Nine and the Borg, Species 8472 and others. They sort of created this tug of war between Janeway and Seven which was an excellent direction. Throughout however The Doctor is the heart of the show, and he forms this bond with Seven when she arrives so it isn't as if he was ever eclipsed by Seven's arrival. Even in the early seasons you still get these poignant stand alone Doctor episodes such as ''Lifesigns'' and ''Real Life''. The Doctor was what Data was for TNG. I have noticed the budget got ratcheted-up about season four also. It surprised me how cheap certain episodes seasons 1-3 look. 

    ''Threshold'' is truly one of the worst episodes of Trek, up there with ''Spock's Brain'' and ''Angel One'', and is utterly hilarious. Just watched an absolute stinker of a season five episode involving Chakotay as a boxer - I hate Chakotay episodes, mystic Indian bollocks. 

    Chakotay as I recall ends up moved to a side character who doesn't have much to do in the later seasons.

    Seven gets introduced as sex appeal by the show runners, but her character really grows towards the end.

    I'm sure you've seen it, but Move Along Home an early ds9 episode is worse than all those imo. 

    Robert Picardo? who played the emh is to be in Picard season 2. 

  9. 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

    I am re-watching the entirety of Star Trek: Voyager in bed. It is better than I remember.

    The later seasons once the characters start to grow, but there are still some bizzare episodes that never should have been aired. Theresold is just bizzare for example.

     

     

  10. I like the show, but they're really over doing the score.

    No need to have music playing in every scene. Barely made out what was being said in the Rios/Raffi scene in the latest episode.

    Hope they take note and get rid off it in season 2.

  11. It wasn't a great episode, but it was cool that they brought back Icheb randomly (even if it was a different actor). If you had to name 50 characters you'd expect to re-appear, that one would struggle to make it.

    Jeri Ryan is supposed to be a reoccurring character, I hope she ends up more as a regular. One other random thing, apparently one of the bars on that planet was called "Quark's Bar". That would have been a fun cameo.

    I like this show as a Trek fan, but the 45 minute format just doesn't work. They can't get the balance between character development, exposition and plot right currently. Then there's the fact that it's only 10 episodes. 1/2 way done already.

     

  12. 7 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

    You great fairy you :lol: 

    It's not like it was one of my things when I was a kid, but everyone did watch it. There's still 3 or 4 channels that still show 4 episodes of repeats every day.

    Sky and Channel 4 used to do nothing show episodes of friends every day.

    I do have a certain fondness though for things that remind me of being a child in the 90s.

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