3 minutes ago, kitstuai said:

It's not a proof, I was just wondering how a track with Slash and Fortus can be release if all the previous release were Slash only

Because this track isn't Slash only?

2 hours ago, GNRRHCP98 said:

What a weird era of GNR history that was. 

It reminds me of like, in Back to the Future II the alternate 1985 where the entire reality is just odd and off kilter

2 hours ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

Bought a $50 cheapo ticket the other night since I enjoyed The General/Monsters and was in a GNR mood. Dreading parking but excited to see them again.

If this helps, I always do the Park and Ride for the Bowl!  Round trip is like 7 bucks and there are a ton of locations you can park for it not far away from the Bowl so you can avoid the stacked parking

I did that when I saw Sting earlier this month there and we probably got to our car faster doing that too than those who have to wait for their neighbors in the stacked parking chaos lol

Unfortunately due to my work schedule it is hard to find the time to go to these two shows, however I would have worked harder to free up my schedule if I didn't already spend a ton of money traveling to San Diego to see GNR because at that point no LA date had been announced lmao

If these are the shows they bust out The General / Monsters I swear however I hope they do for those who will be there

5 minutes ago, estrangedtwat said:

I'm not forcing anything.

They're two separate songs.  That's all.

If you believe otherwise, you're just plain wrong.

 

If we get a version on a proper release that has them combined into one song, then that will be one song.

As of right now, it's two songs.

 

Not opinion.  Fact.

What would be the alternative explanation for "The General and Monsters" being a singular title when officially registered versus both separately in that case?

I don't think it is unreasonable to treat it as one singular sonic journey made up of two compositions

22 minutes ago, kanecrescente said:

Yep and they're all too short... very un-GNR, they all feel rushed and pieced together without any soul to them.

That's because the soul was stolen by the devil's romances, its all a part of them theme man!

2 hours ago, D.. said:

As promised, update. Mr Marco Beltrami was kind enough to answer me (love him, became a fan in 2003 with his score for Terminator 3, was amazed Axl hired him when I learnt about it years later). Here is his answer:

"Hi Guillaume,

wow, you really are racking my brain here because it was so long ago, but this is what I remember:

I was hired to do orchestration/arranging for 8 songs. I believe only a few were released on the album that came out a while ago.

every song was distinct.  any connection between songs I was not aware of at the time, so yes they were all separate orchestrations.

yes, I remember a song called “seven” was my favorite but maybe its changed or evolved since then??  I could be wrong, but the two you list here sound a bit reworked from what I remember.

sorry i can’t be more helpful

marco"

 

I asked him another set of question to fully confirm if Soul Monster is Monsters, hope he will answer.

But I think we could almost already assume The General, and Monsters, were not connected originally.

Almost 100% sure Monsters=Soul Monster now.

 

Thanks for posting this, that is interesting!

My own theory for the moment: maybe The General and Monsters/Soul Monster were always linked thematically and were going to be back-to-back tunes on an album but were considered two different compositions.  But down the line Axl and co. got the idea to just join them as one singular saga a bit more decisively?  And then took the orchestration stems and combined that together to make the concert intro

Considering the lack of resolution of the story told in The General, what can be interpreted as the similar subject matter in Monsters, and the sense of closure in Monsters I really think they at the very least were seen as linked in some way from the outset

19 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Well it depends on the song. H\For example he did sweet FA to Perhaps. But end of the day, his guitar on a song is one thing, but the song is already formed and written BY the people these people hate, so there is an alternative reality for a lot of people... Including Slash and Duff for thinking they deserve writing credits for those songs.

I can't speak for other people's thoughts, but for myself I really have enjoyed most, if not all, of Slash's additions so far (the most controversial being I like his Perhaps solo).  So for me, regardless of who originally crafted the song's basic ideas first, I think Slash's presence gives the material a sound that I have missed for quite some time in GNR land

Slash and the AFD lineup "GNR-ified" the previous existing Hollywood Rose material not all of them were a part of writing initially.  It's So Easy was originally a West Arkeen open E tuning acoustic tune before Slash did his thing with it.  So for me, taking songs Axl still wants to work on that he did with other writers, and Slash-ifiying it, is a great blend of some old with some new (or rather, "new" as of 2002 lol).  And perhaps his additions adds some of that "classic GNR legitimacy" to it in the eyes of some

58 minutes ago, DannyVinyard said:

Uh, in your opinion, they wouldn't have. They already had a slew of new songs developed, or in process. Imagine Chinese Democracy dropping in 2003 and GNR continuing the tour, with heavy promotion, interviews, epic music videos for their first 3 or 4 singles, and I'm pretty sure Axl Rose wouldn't have chosen the title track as the first single. Chinese Democracy was forced out in 2008 by the record company, which was way late, included zero promotion from Axl Rose and GNR, a dud of a first single, a failure to release TWAT (by far the best song on CD) as a single, and the album STILL went on to sell 1 million copies in the US. Think of how many more it would have sold in 2003 with proper promotion as well as the CD platform being more relevant then. NuGNR could have not only taken the world by storm, but they could have saved rock music. 

I personally am of the mind that if Chinese Democracy was destined to "save rock music" it would have found a way to.  It isn't like there wasn't a TON of publicity around the album because of its reputation and infamy - by 2003 and certainly still in 2008

The thing with Chinese, while it may have great stuff on it, even the catchier hooks on the album IMHO were never destined to be mainstream huge blockbuster hits.  Nothing wrong with that, art doesn't have to be made for commercial viability, but I am of the mind that nuGNR would have ended up with the same result, no matter what promotional stuff they did in the lead up to Chinese. 

People wanted hard rock, they wanted Slash's guitar riffs and leads, and they wanted Axl to sound like the madman high pitched demon they last heard he was like in the 90s and virtually none of that was present

Don't get me wrong I love the Chinese era myself, but there definitely is a reason why GNR went back to stadiums/arenas after Slash rejoined and it isn't because CD never got proper promotion

6 minutes ago, ©GnrPersia said:

I can completely understand the point you're making. I just think it's not necessary to ridicule Buckethead for his work on CD songs. It's unfair. But that's me.

I like Buckethead too, and Finck and honestly all the guys from that time period and think they all have stuff to offer musically and artistically to any projects they are a part of so I totally get the Bucket love

I think it is only natural that Slash be the favored guy by most, the band got famous in part due to his licks and solos just as much as Axl's voice and so hearing that sound again in GNR feels like home for many of us

5 minutes ago, ©GnrPersia said:

 

I'm just saying it's ridiculous that the majority of the AFD/Reunion fans keep bashing the NuGnr band while at the same time being excited about the music that is being released from that era.

To be fair, even if you may disagree with this, adding a guitar tone and presence to music from the nuGNR era, does change the overall sound.  And since for many people a lot of GNR's whole thing is Slash on guitar, it makes sense that people would be more excited hearing Axl's songwriting with more of the sounds and guitar tones of the guy from 1987-1993 on them

So I don't think it is ridiculous at all, all you need is "Monsters" to hear the results.  Some great Slash licks that blend his tenure in classic GNR to Axl's songwriting to make it more "GNR feeling" to most people

Agree or disagree, I think that point of view should at the very least be respected - no matter what "classic GNR purists" people you have argued with in the past regarding your own preferences

2 minutes ago, ©GnrPersia said:

So your dear Slash and Duff knew they're not more than contract members, yet they did it for the 'love' of the fans?

What a sacrificing human beings.

Thank you so much for your enlightenment.

What exactly is your point on here besides just being really shitty to people because they don't agree with you that nuGNR is the best version of GNR?

5 minutes ago, DannyVinyard said:

I mean, all he's done since the reunion is deliver zero new tunes and rip off fans with a non-stop cash grab tour of the oldies. 7 years and no new music (releasing songs created by NuGNR doesn't count).

1.  Slash isn't the problem regarding delivering new tunes and them actually being finished

2.  It isn't a "rip-off" if mostly everyone going to the shows wants to hear the oldies and know they are getting the oldies going into it lol.  You not liking their touring doesn't count as a "rip-off"

Jfc I swear this forum I can't tell if the points made by some folks are intentionally obtuse or not  

4 minutes ago, kitstuai said:

Well it's because it is registered as one song. If they registered a song called "The General and Monsters", this is a title for 1 song

While that is true, but then you have just "The General" listed on the Perhaps single description promo - not "The General and Monsters". 

So I am just theorizing cool ways to explain that difference as well as the idea that "The General" also can fit easily on a side of vinyl where "The General and Monsters" cannot without sacrificing fidelity. 

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows is one book, one singular journey.  But the movies were split into two even though they are meant to be combined for the full story.  Just saying, it is just a theory but one that is very much plausible and makes sense

47 minutes ago, kitstuai said:

Why theorising about things that can't happen, we all know The General and Monsters is 1 song

It is presented as one long singular journey and I agree it is 1 song..... but that doesn't mean the idea that the one journey couldn't be split among two 7' inches, neither of which can house an 8 minute single song without sacrificing fidelity, is an impossible idea

Anyways, just thinking about cool ways to present these tracks that's all- having fun with it