Ketan

Culpable homicide is hardly being scot free. The judge could did not find the prosecutions atempts to disprove pistorious version of events satisfactory. However improbale his version was not an imposibility.

The problem with atheists is that they take religion too seriously. Personally i am certain everytime an atheist debunks a religious claim God shrugs and goes "dumbasses proving a dumbass religion wrong. What has it got anything to do with me?"

they probably figured being a guns n roses fan you had it in you to wait an eternity for stuff

this was released to promote Live Era i think

If we look at the percentage of people who die from murder today and in past generations (the numbers are sketchy but I believe a thorough case could be made), less people die from murder now than before. So whatever we have done to decrease muder rates, humans haven't compensated for this by finding new reasons to kill each other. I simply see no evidence of our violent tempers finding a way to expres themselves so the muder rate remains constant. Through economic dependence, development of functioning states, etc, we HAVE managed to remove reasons people kill each other and live more in peace (talking about Europe here). I see absolutely no reason why it shouldn't be exactly the same with religion. Remove religion and we have YET one less reason to kill each other.

lets do that right after we abolish marriages and love affairs since infidelity and jealousy also at times have known to inspire people to murder

I disagree with what I see as a one-sided assessment. Undoubtedly military action should be used as a last resort, and not as a viable option in the form that it was taken in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. I do agree that sending in an 800 pound gorilla to fight a couple mosquitos likely will do more harm than good, but not all situations are created equal.

Since ISIS desires to be more than just a terrorist organization and instead opts for full state status, the old rules of international law seem a little more relevant. We're not talking about an organization that seeks to sow the seeds of anarchy and destruction, but one that wishes autonomy and sovereignty. The problem becomes when it's designs include mass-murder and potential genocide. You may not see the moral imperative of preventing these ills, but the people being butchered might argue differently. You paint one scenario of being bombed, I'll paint another: you belong to a non-Muslim family/town in Northern Iraq and the capture of your town by ISIS forces means imminent death. You would surely appreciate outside help to save yourself and family members from being butchered, but some smug, audacious foreign nation feels like it's not their problem and the death of your family/town is of no consequence.

Now, should U.S./Nato/Western forces act whenever one person/family are at risk of being killed by extremist forces? Of course not. But me personally would not oppose military action when such deeds reach the level whereby the term genocide can be justifiably used. Ketan, the attitude you express in your post was the very same held by Western leaders when 500k to a million people were butchered in Rwanda. There do exist times when doing nothing is worse than doing something. It's not an absolute science so I don't necessarily fault politicians/military experts for not getting it right every time. But sorry, I wholeheartedly disagree that Western intervention is always wrong.

As Edmund Burke once said, "all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

I am not advocating inaction at all. In fact i have absolutely no qualms about having the world use military to stop IS. Seriously, I am horrified when reading the stories about beheadings and rape. Horrified thinking about the potential genocide which awaits people of Kobane.

But there have been instances when the American led coalition have invaded foreign countries not simply to avoid a potential genocide but to "free the people" from an oppressive regime has there not? What is the justification in talking up a cause of democracy for some foreign people and then killing innocents in doing it?

My main objection is to the glorification of american strikes in general. And the quantification of bheadings and civilian deaths in air strikes and being able to chose one over the other. Americans keep on invading one country or the other and leave the mess for the rest of the world to deal with. And then act all saintly that they are killing to save humanity. Brilliant. I mean who is responsible for the train-wreck that is Iraq? And if killing the civilians in "accidental" air strike was wrong then where is the accountability for that? is it a wonder that more and more of such groups keep popping up severely hating the West? And then they gain support because they seem to be fighting the evil West and then they are so drunk on power that they rape and behead anyone they very well like and then you send in more force to tackle them and tell the world that "action is needed otherwise more people will be killed".

Any answer to an oppressive regime has to be from within. You can't simply decide that the people of one country should be free and send in forces to fight the dictators and hand them democracy.

The world is still evolving and we are perhaps centuries away from having a world where all the people in all the countries are able to see reason and to see the futility and uselessness of such animosity among their own people . And it will take time for oppressive regimes to become obsolete. And the whole process of becoming a civil nation is probably very slow. But in the end it is the people of a nation who should want it. We should support any internal fights for freedom/democracy but we should not fight their wars for them.

One thing that I think people need to remember is that death can result just as easily from inaction. I'm not necessarily justifying Western intervention into the ISIS/Iraq/Kurd/Syria conflict, but to suggest that drone attacks are unjustified due to collateral damage ignores the reality that many innocents will be killed if nothing is done.

It's a messy situation with very few, if any, good solutions.

Except it's not for the west to take up responsibility of cleaning up the world. i mean this is preposterous Going about killing people without any accountability and then having the nerves to say "look we are doing them a favor, if it weren't for us many more people will die"

Any uprising has to come from within. imagine you are living in one those god forsaken countries which the west has taken upon itself to clean up. You are sitting in your home with your loved ones and all of you are terrified that the jets blazing above are gonna kill all of you any minute. WHY should you have to go through that? Because a smug, audacious foreign nation thought it's okay if you are killed for the greater good? You will feel violated.

And just so everyone is clear: pointing out flaws in the way in which the west has conducted itself in the past doesn't automatically mean that the person doing so is defending ISIS. Quite frankly, who would?

Especially if you are from a country which the ISIS has declared as an enemy.

Sgt. Peppers - The Beatles

Like almost everyone else I do consider deliberate murder worse than accidental or incidental murder. Hardly controversial.

As much as i am horrified by the IS beheadings, i find the rationalization of collateral damage as accidental outrageous . i mean it 's not like they dont know that innocent people are going to be dead. They know it and CHOSE to go ahead with their attacks anyway.

Why is the death of those innocent civilians who die because of US air strikes any less horrifying? Because nobody is recording a video when their bodies gets chopped into several pieces?

Anti-American militaristic sentiment on the Internet. Oh, how novel.

Generalizing and completely missing the point all together. Typical.

Like almost everyone else I do consider deliberate murder worse than accidental or incidental murder. Hardly controversial.

As much as i am horrified by the IS beheadings, i find the rationalization of collateral damage as accidental outrageous . i mean it 's not like they dont know that innocent people are going to be dead. They know it and CHOSE to go ahead with their attacks anyway.

Why is the death of those innocent civilians who die because of US air strikes any less horrifying? Because nobody is recording a video when their bodies gets chopped into several pieces?

The video that you deleted didn't mention "violence/death" towards anything; it merely was a song the brought attention to to the misogyny and child rape that is inherent in the Islamic religion by mentioning that the Muhammed was a child rapist by marrying a 9 year old child.

A musical indictment? Well thats a novel approach, shows a deep sensitivity to the cause of child abuse and the safety of poor children, well done I wonder why Supreme Courts don't do that! Y'know, tap out a rhythm on a high hat and have the judge saunter up to the mic with his tie undone and a glass of Remy in his hand, singing out summations and sentences to the tune of 'Witchcraft'

Phil Ochs just turned in his grave

good job. how long did it take you to finish?

and is it on a shared host?

Embarrassingly long time It's on Heroku for now (since that's free). Do you recommend any alternatives? I found one while Googling called Shelly Cloud that looks quite cool (and seems cheaper and faster)

I too am often stuck with such hosts and i have a hardtime dealing with the fact the the entire code is open to them. The only thing stoping them from stealing it is is the Terms and Conditions and my understanding is that there is usually a way around it if someone is bent on stealing your application. I read the German hosts tend to be more open with their policies but they probably cost more as well.

Anyway... good luck with the website

good job. how long did it take you to finish?

and is it on a shared host?

anything about beheadings yet

how can anyone who claims to be godly can be that brutal?

Is there anything more Godly than punishment and retribution?

Rape and intimidation

anything about beheadings yet

how can anyone who claims to be godly can be that brutal?

KFC. Had it once couldnt believe how bland it was.

I've only eaten Indian food twice, it was two days in a row a couple of months ago in London. We don't seem to have Indian restaurants here. We have a lot of other Asian places, but apparently, not many Indians here.

It was so delicious. I think it's one of my favourite foods now. We had a Thali, a large round plate with lots of different bowls with vegetables, chicken, curry, rice... For the foodies in this thread: I don't know the first thing about Indian cuisine, so maybe it's not authentic or from another region, but I absolutely loved it.

that's a north indian thali (platter) and one can get that in resturants in any city across india. it is pretty common. in fact it is my preffered dish when i am eating out on a regular basis. It's basically a grand version of typical north indian dinner...only instead on half a dozen bowls there are usally 2 or 3 of those side dishes.

it's profoundly sad. i would stop switching channels if any of his movie was on. RIP

not if you want to satisfy butterflies.

Unless it turns out Jadeja is getting some serious turn off the track, i have a feeling england's gonna pile a lot of runs today.

If it werent for your updates this thread would have died long ago diesel.

why no love for cricket mygnr?

Swap deal for Luiz has been doing the rounds for a week, about the same time that the papers said that Luiz had agreed a deal with Barca.

didnt he deny it though?

It would be sad to see him leave.

I'd've fuckin' bashed him up even more just for doing the prank, the little cunt That was classic, his old man was PISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSED

pregnant kar diya?? itni neech harkat... ab se tu mera beta nai hai samajh main muh deekhane k layak bhe nai chora

I thought this thread was going to be more arousing.

Very disappointed.

tell me about it.

I just dont associate spanking with anything other than sex. Its probably a cultural thing... our parents would rather hit a child black and blue with chapaals and metal rods but i have never heard anyone being spanked. Seems too light

I love to spank though

Someone knows what I been talking about

I thought this thread was going to be more arousing.

Very disappointed.

tell me about it.

I just dont associate spanking with anything other than sex. Its probably a cultural thing... our parents would rather hit a child black and blue with chapaals and metal rods but i have never heard anyone being spanked. Seems too light

I love to spank though

As far as Indo-Pakistani relations are concerned he's a cunt.

Will be interesting to see how it pans out. i think he said he would like to start were vajpaye left on Kashmir.

Vajpaye was a good guy for Indo-Pakistani relations, Mohdi won't be though. Even if a person is...or two persons are, our extremists are so extreme on both sides and we are so emotive and kneejerk in our aggressive responses that it wouldn't make any difference if they were.

Bajrangi

jai Bajrung Bhali Ki!!!!! I always used to wonder what that meant. Its Hannuman isn't it?

yes it is

in this case its a caste i think.

Harami! Tu neh kya sohcha tu meri Tulsi ki izzat ko loot keh kaise buchhe gah? (Roti Kapda aur Makhan!) I wish i had Manoj Kumars voice

the voice of patriots jaaaaab zero diya mere bharat neee