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12 minutes ago, vloors said:

You are wrong with that one. He has had plenty of hits, sales and fans after the rihanna incident. Do some research.

 

A quick wiki snip for u even

In 2009, Brown pled guilty to felony assault of his then-girlfriend, singer Rihanna.^[12] In the same year, he released his third album, Graffiti, which was considered to be a commercial failure compared to his previous works.^[13] Following Graffiti, Brown released his fourth album F.A.M.E. (2011), which became his first album to top the Billboard 200. The album contained the commercially successful singles: "Yeah 3x", "Look at Me Now" and "Beautiful People", and earned him the Grammy Award for Best R&B Album.^[14][15] His fifth album, Fortune, released in 2012, also topped the Billboard 200.

Following the releases of X (2014) and Royalty (2015), his 2017 double-disc album, Heartbreak on a Full Moon, consisting of 45 tracks, was certified gold by the Recording Industry Association of America for combined sales and album-equivalent units of over 500,000 units after one week, and was later certified Double Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America. 

Pretty sure he's just announced a new tour too, including a full UK tour and two nights at the O2. Seems he still has fans somewhere. 

9 hours ago, mystery said:

It was quietly settled but just because someone isn't convicted and sent to prison doesn't mean things didn't happen. I find it hard to believe his ex-wife and girlfriend decided to sue him out of the blue.

He's likely a completely different person now but its still interesting how a younger generation of famous women seem to idolize him.

No, no. That never happens. I mean look at the Marilyn Manson case...on wait. Sarcasm aside, and on a serious note, look, I have very little doubt there was some form of abuse, most likely violent, possibly sexual. Axl was a very angry young man and I have very little doubt an explosive mentality. 

Perhaps Carrie knows, perhaps she doesn't - chances are, as she is of an age where she grew up with GNR, she is fully aware. BUT perhaps upon meeting Axl, an idol of hers, she became friends with a man who has treated her with the utmost respect and she takes him for what he is these days. Smart people learn from their past and grow from it. Others are doomed to repeat the same process over and over.

On 3/2/2023 at 8:41 PM, D4NNY said:

 

Pretty odd choice by Steven there.
Who wants a “One in a Million” art canvas…?  

Depends how he interprets the lyrics. He could very well make it an anti-hate statement piece and ensure that mentality is left in the past. Or it's in there for publicity...

On 3/11/2023 at 1:35 AM, Chester 524 said:

I would advise him to skip one in a million and do one for Civil War instead. 

 

but I'm not his advisor so what do I know?

80 attempts to get his Civil War piece right...

Hadn't listened to November Rain in years until the UYI boxset. Gave it a couple of listens when it was first out and it popped up on a playlist yesterday.

Haven't listen to a lot of Lies or SI either recently. I probably listen to CD most out of the GNR catalogue these days.

On 3/7/2023 at 4:10 PM, downzy said:

I love OIAM.  I think it's one of Axl's best recorded vocal performances.  If people don't like it because of the lyrics, fair enough.  Others can look past it and appreciate other aspects of the song.  To each their own.

Wholeheartedly agree with this. The vocals are sublime, even if the lyrics are highly contentious (and always were). If you understand the POV and context of the lyrics, it does make it somewhat more palatable, but in modern society that shit won't fly. I don't remember the OG release, but there's no doubt it would have caused a stir, it even did so in the band from what I've read. But that's nothing compared the the hysteria a straight white man using those terms now would cause now. Slash even spoke up recently about the band not being around if they broke through in the modern day. 

16 hours ago, Screamin' Demon said:

AFD: Sweet Child O' Mine - Way overrated
GN'R Lies: You're Crazy - Something about it just gives you this lazy, procrastinating feel I cannot stand
UYI 1: November Rain - It comes across too Narcissistic & in-love-with-oneself kind of way
UYI 2: Don't Cry (Alternate Lyrics) - It tried, but failed to get that depth & meaning that real Don't Cry achieved
TSI: Can't say yet; I have barely listened to the album
Chinese Democracy: Riad N' The Bedouins - It's a meaningless, random song of no value or depth 

Interesting view on SCOM. Overplayed perhaps, but overrated? That's a brave call, dude!

I'm 100% with you on November Rain. I hate it. With a passion. It isn't in the same league as Estranged IMHO. The new, remastered version with the orchestra make it a little more interesting, but it's a 99.9% skip track for me. 

So much love for TWAT - didn't realise it was so popular. Definitely in my top 3.

Estranged

There Was a Time (those solos...)

Jungle (although Civil War was a very close 4th).

13 hours ago, allwaystired said:

Definitely. I can see this getting shown on TV over Glastonbury actually. It'll be a WAY bigger deal if that lineup happens and no-one will want to watch Glastonbury that night. 

Yeah, I definitely agree with that. I reckon BBC2 & BBC3 will get Glasto as per. ITV/Ch4, or perhaps even BBC1 might show the Ukraine gig.

AFD: Think About You

Lies: Move To The City

UYI 1: November Rain

UYI 2: My World/So Fine

SI: You Can't Put Your Arms Around a Memory

CD: Catcher

This thread:

1 hour ago, Stress Fracture said:

They’re gonna get shat on for something in the build up. Metallica and U2 did (fox hunting and tex evasion respectively) and cancel culture wasn’t really a thing when those two played. So they should just make the most of it and come out with Out Ta Get Me. Jay-Z starting with Wonderwall into 99 Problems silenced the naysayers fast.

I hope they do tbh. It's almost like a big fuck you to what Glastonbury, and much of the UK media, has become in recent years. An allegedly & former red neck racist, homophobic white male who beat women to headline one of the most woke festivals in the UK, if not the world. You couldn't make this shit up. Now, don't get me wrong, I hate what Axl was in a lot of aspects of his past private life, but it just goes to show that a) people can change and b) that we haven't canceled every past remnant of the past. I do wonder what their setlist will look like. As mentioned above, ISE has some challenging lyrics for the modern Glastonbury crowd and the BBC. 

4 hours ago, Blackstar said:

There we go...

https://inews.co.uk/culture/music/guns-n-roses-glastonbury-not-represent-2186728

Gun N’ Roses [sic] is everything Glastonbury should not represent

Lizzo and Lana Del Rey are stone-cold superstars – why aren’t they headlining the festival?

[...]

But what a bad look it is to have two of the three headline slots go to thumpingly conventional guitar bands. In the case of Gun N’ Roses, in particular, it’s worth asking whether they would be better suited to the Sunday nostalgia slot. They haven’t released fresh material in decades. And their set – going by their European dates last summer – is essentially one more twirl around the retro maypole.

Gun N’ Roses in 2023 are, in fact, an example of everything Glastonbury shouldn’t represent. When I saw their concert in Dublin last year, I was swept up in head-banging nostalgia. Still, the band – along with everyone in attendance – had two feet in the past. Yawns broke out during the “new” songs from Chinese Democracy (released in November 2008). We only really came alive when the band dipped into Appetite for Destruction, a record that predates the invention of the World Wide Web and the fall of the Iron Curtain.

Nostalgia has its place. Appetite for Destruction is neck-and-neck with Nirvana’s Nevermind for the title of greatest rock album of the past 40 years. Still would the world have ended if Lizzo – whom Glastonbury describes as having “joint headline billing” – had gone on after them on Saturday night?

[...]

Sounds like the writer would fit in round here tbh. This could easily be a post here.

It's hard to disagree with the criticism of GNR being a nostalgia act, sadly. The joint headline billing is just a stunt by Glastonbury to calm people down, and while I've genuinely never heard Lizzo, I'd guess that more of the ticket holding audience would have welcomed Lizzo, or indeed as originally planned Taylor Swift, as headline act. 

We all know there are going to be many, many more articles like this. Seems like an odd decision by GNR to play this gig, unless they're doing it in ignorance, arrogance or just to "tick Glasto off the list". We all know it won't be to promote anything new.

8 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

It didn’t ruin Pinks pop career 

Shame.

17 minutes ago, Billy Cundy said:

Potential 2023 rewrites for Glastonbury crowd - 

Nice boys/girls/those who identify as non binary don’t play rock n roll

used to love they/them

Rocket yasss kween

FUCKING LOL!!

9 minutes ago, Spaghetti4twenty said:

Yeah, all very true. Didn’t consider that. Not from England, didn’t realize how big of a show it was. 
 

On a lighter note, i wonder if Elton John will come out during gnr’s set (no pun intended) or maybe Axl will join his set. 

It's a huge show. And has a huge media coverage and focus on headliners almost to the point of being a political statement. As mentioned above, Glastonbury has always made a point of being liberal and has made a big effort in recent years to promote black and female artists. 

It would be nice for Axl to stick around and do a bit with Elton, or vice versa. 

4 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Oh don't get me wrong- I'm not personally offended. 

I'd define the Conservatives as right wing, sure and the others you mention as 'extreme right'. 

All right wing though, and I have zero time for any of them frankly. The day I vote for someone who has spouted the sorts of things Johnson has, is the day I throw myself under the train! 

I think Glastonbury made a rod for their own back with this by making bold statements about diversity and female representation in the past....then they drop this lineup. If it was anywhere else, I doubt the debate would be as big. 

 

Haha, genuinely made me laugh! 

I suppose it depends if he has other gigs. I could see him doing an appearance during November Rain though if he's around. 

I agreed with the underlined. And you make a very good point about the audience. 

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on labelling of certain parties. But that's cool. 

I don't really have time for any politicians. They're all narcissistic sociopaths - it's just to varying degrees. 

1 minute ago, allwaystired said:

To be fair, Glastonbury sells out the moment it goes on sale, with no acts announced, and their lineup is usually nothing like this.....hence the problem I think. 

I think that's a good point to be fair - even more so when you consider the audience.

9 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Huh? A country voting for a right wing leader means.....they've moved to the right. So yeah, I am saying the UK has moved to the right, as it's voted right wing for 12 years. 

There's not actually an argument- it's a fact the UK has voted Conservative for 12 years. Which is a right wing party. Truss and Sunak are both part of that right wing party, so they're not "conveniently left out of any argument" at all. You know you can be a woman or non-white and still be right wing! 

And hey, I'm not a judge or jury on whether people are offended or not. If they genuinely are, I'm not going to tell them they're wrong for being so. 

I'm not personally offended, but telling people they aren't offended seems fairly dictatorial. 

The same people that are supposedly offended by the lack of diversity in the headliners would also take issues that if every person at the top table in the elected party was a white male - and that's supposedly the whole "issue" here. So yeah, Rishi being non-white and Truss being a woman is definitely part of the argument, regardless of their party. Also, let's be fair, the Tories and Labour are pretty central with right and left leaning tendencies, respectively. To describe someone as Right Wing has very specific connotations. Right Wing would be more your BNP and UKIP. The fact you describe the Tories as being Right Wing kinda helps my point tbh.

4 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Yeah bit of that too (says the people on a GNR forum in 2023!) 

Again though, you know, if it really does bother people, and is really an issue for them, then fair enough. 

There's definitely a debate to be had around the issues, from all sides, and I can see why people are asking these questions. 

I think the issue is, we've had the debates over and over and over again. There isn't an agenda in Glastonbury's line up - I think we have to look at the scenario before anyone jumps to conclusions - hence my view that there is nothing to be offended by. There isn't any sexism, homophobia or racism here. It's Glastonbury - who has embraced diversity since it's birth. It just happens that the headliners are predominately white males this year. Surely rational, reasonable people must see that?

12 minutes ago, janrichmond said:

I'm guessing Melissa because she's not male either 

I'm pretty surprised the OIAM thing hasn't been mentioned in the press yet

Give it time. That, and the misogynistic lyrics (from the 80s!) will no doubt be brought up. I wonder if they'll drop any songs that might get them in hot water.

53 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Hmmm.....the last 12 years have seen increasingly right wing people being voted in, culminating in a man who made racist, homophobic and sexist comments. So I'd politely disagree. 

Here's hoping for a change at the next election though. 

 

So you're basing it on Boris being elected - but not Rishi now being leader? Who isn't very white. And the woman between them. Who wasn't very good. Granted, not elected, but hey, they were there. Conveniently left out of your argument. 

The reality is, as Elon Musk described, the centre is moving further away from what once was centre. And anyone left there is now sadly perceived to be right wing - regardless of their views.

There is a HUGE amount of diversity at Glastonbury, and always has been - that's part of the appeal for many. They've even diversified away from their Indie/Rock roots and had black hip/rap artists in recent years. To call them out for happening to have these particular artists as headliners in 2023 is people just looking and wanting an opportunity to be offended. There's nothing to be offended by. 

4 hours ago, allwaystired said:

What makes you think it's just England that says this stuff? 

England is going progressively more right wing, so these views certainly aren't held by most people. They are held by the sort of people who traditionally go to these sorts of festivals though. 

Are you English? Just curious. 

Well, it comes with context - in this case the organiser, Emily Eavis, repeatedly saying in the last how important it is to have new acts headlining and female ones. Then she books all this, so it's understandable people are going to focus on that. 

England isn't going progressively more right wing. Not at all. The left is moving further and further away from the centre. It isn't enough to be accepting, you have to be some kind of activist not to be a problem. 

2 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

Yes. I am. But Ticketmaster acts on behalf of the tour promoter. TM does what the tour promoter permits/wants them to do. TM is the middleman (obviously the fact that Live Nation merged with/owns Ticketmaster dilutes things a bit, but in general it's a company acting according to the tour promoter). Whatever extra profit TM generates, is not for TM to keep. And prices absolutely start with whatever the artist is getting as a guaranteed sum. Somehow everyone else need to make money too. And so the ticket price is high enough to make back what the artist gets + whatever is needed so everyone else will make a profit too (and not make it a total risk for everyone else). And whatever is made on top of what the artist is initially making, a cut of that goes to the artist too.

The fact that they are a bigger pull enables them to play stadiums instead of arenas. So they would get more money either way, without jacking up the fee they are asking for playing. There absolutely would be no reason to suddenly ask for more money, other than greed and the only way I excuse that greed is the fact that they give epic 3+ hour shows to somehow justify the added cost, compared to the years where it just was fake GNR. So they absolutely could have stuck to the prices they had and still make more money, due to bigger audiences.

Ok, seems like you just wanna blame GNR/TB for something that every other artist is doing. 

1 hour ago, allwaystired said:

Absolutely. 

All the 'variable pricing' and 'platinum' pricing bullshit is at the request of the artists in conjunction with Ticketmaster. 

People often forget that when they're getting screwed- the artists are totally complicit in this. Which is why some (in the increasing minority) still don't have it for their ticket sales. 

Yes, but it isn't just GNR, is it? It's an industry thing that just shouldn't be allowed, but the monopoly Ticketmaster has means they get away with it. While ever people keep paying, they'll keep doing it - which is part of the reason I won't be going again this year.

16 hours ago, AtlasShrugged said:

I think, as always, with GN'R, it could have been better.

Understood the initial silence and mystique but they could have branded themselves in such a strong way after that. New music, proper interviews and promotion, more interesting ways of touring. Instead it's just petered out. 

Maybe two years in was the way to do it. World tours, we're back.. then onto stage two. 

They're clearly now a legacy act but not even playing the role of that particularly well.

Totally agree. Another round of stadiums, one per country, generally, is pretty frustrating. I appreciate their age and the need to get around the world. But they’ve done the same thing 3 times now. I suspect they’re gonna milk it as many times as possible then disappear with one last retirement tour.