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3 hours ago, AtariLegend said:

Is there any evidence this was blocked and not just pulled, because someone suggested the girl system ect. might get him in trouble?

...Or maybe the publishers felt that it's structured more like a lengthy blog than a book despite it's promotion?

Also I doubt the Matt/Stephanie thing happened, just like Matt's account of the Duff meeting (where Duff buries Frank and Izzy) happened. Seems to me designed to cause tension in the band. His ego shines through alot and it's ultra bitter by the end. 

Matt's always being done hard, be it... Axl, Slash, Duff, Scott (doesn't even mention Scott passing). 

You'd think by the end that Matt wrote the uyi tracks (that he didn't get and thought were too long), was responsible for Snakepit and VR.

The fact that the book is cancelled tells me there must be a lot of truth to it. Why block the release otherwise, if it's just BS from someone who went mad?

Also, most things in the book make perfect sense to me. It matches the traits of personality of all the members.

Matt isn't just someone who was once hired in the GN'R security team or something. He was the drummer from UYI until Slash left, and Velvet Revolver's drummer. He isn't exactly a nobody. He doesn't seem crazy either, or someone who lost part of his mind, unlike Steven Adler for example. I still have Adler's book and it didn't look as genuine as Matt's.

He is also the only guy that has been in the band that seems to have as much ego as Axl, if not more, so he clearly, absolutely wanted to give his side of the story. He wants the truth out because he has that much ego. Doesn't mean he's a liar, just that he's full of himself. I don't see Izzy ever doing this for example. 

Duff may write a book on his future boat when he hits 80 years old, called "How to buy a giant boat: the truth & other illusions about my time in Gn'R".

But really, I don't find much reason why Matt would lie at this point in time, except messing with a band he's not in anymore and won't rejoin ever. Had this book come out during their time in Velvet Revolver or before the 2016 reunion, I'd have much more doubts, because at that point, there was a sense of competition and things at stake.

As of now, they're old, they're in the last period of their lives, it would be retarded to make shit up just to mess with Slash & Duff remaining years in Gn'R. Sure the book is very salty, there's bad blood with Slash, but when you look as his relation with Duff, it looks like he really loved him as a brother. He looks more disappointed by his lack of honor than envying his money. He also sees Axl as some kind of god, he doesn't really depicts him in a negative way. What he says about Fernando, I think it's a feeling shared by a lot of people, though I do find it harsh, I get why he feels this way.

That being said, maybe some things are completely made up, like that Stephanie Seymour story. But it just seems so over the top it could be true. Like it's not something that happened between the two of them in a private room, which he could have easily made up. 

Duff meeting with Sorum at the end of the book, that I totally believe. He must still have the text to prove it. What he wrote Duff said may be partly made up. Like it would really fit the "Slash & Duff don't like Frank's drumming" narrative we all speculated. Who knows. It fits though.

The best thing would be to invite him on a radio show or the discord and make him talk about all of this, and see if he's full of BS or if he's genuine. I tend to believe most of the book. In any case, this book is hilarious.

Just finished reading Sorum's book, it's by far the best book regarding Guns N' Roses, and the most hilarious too.

It basically confirms what I initially thought: this reunion has been a joke from day one, and Slash & Duff have no honor. Always knew it somehow.

It also confirms what I was wondering about Slash & Duff's feelings about Frank. Now it's clear: they don't like him, they don't judge him appropriate for the band, yet they both signed the contract to get the moneeeey. Great.

Axl may not be depicted completely accurately, it's clear there was never much love between those two, but I found some parts interesting, especially when Matt describes Axl as having a special aura and that he feared him.

I'm just on the fence with the Stephanie Seymour grabbing his balls, and Duff telling Matt she also made out with him. She sure is a very manipulative woman, but this is almost unbelievable. Extremely sad if true.

Great book all around, even if it's not written in the best manners, it goes straight to the point and no one is spared, including Sorum himself. Dead honest rock n' roll book, very fresh to read in 2020.

6 minutes ago, action said:

compared to say vince neil, Axl isn't doing so bad.

Please... Vince Neil is one of the worst example you could take. 

Why not compare Axl to one of the best examples? Compared to Steven Tyler, Axl is doing very bad. And Steven Tyler is over 10 years older than Axl. He still looks great & sings great. Axl used to be on the same level.

I'm surprised most people seem to love this on Youtube, they are so easy to please. The problem with the internet sometimes is that it gives the wrong impression to creators because a lot of people have extremely poor tastes. Then some other times, real good work gets the attention it deserves so you can't completely rule out the public. But they're completely wrong on this one.

I found this video extremely embarrassing because it tries so much not to be embarrassing when we know the recent shows are LAZY and that Axl has dropped the ball.

My problems with this "surprise":

- Not giving the full show is absolutely retarded at this point, especially when there's not one single surprise in those 13 minutes and it took what, over a month to get this?

- I absolutely hate the use of the "select" word. It's used to make this look like there's some kind of prestige to it, like they're really offering you an incredible gift and you should be thankful. It's like you're in this incredible high class restaurant and tasting various high quality dishes. Except we're talking songs we've heard a million times and not sounding as good as they used to (especially Chinese Democracy, it sounded SO MUCH FUCKING BETTER with Bumblefoot, Fortus and yes sorry to say, Ashba, let alone Buckethead/Robin/Fortus).

- The choice of the songs. Any real fan knows why they picked those. Because Axl uses his lower voice and almost doesn't sing on those 3 songs. Granted he does a decent job on those 3, those are among the few songs in the GN'R catalogue he can still nail. But my point is: there's no risk here. It's not exciting. 

- Any real fan immediately understands why there's no close-up on Axl and the camera focuses so much on Duff to the point it's way too distracting. It's so obvious it produces the opposite wanted effect on me and I'm sure a lot of people feel the same. It makes Axl look insecure and less important than Slash & Duff. And I'd argue that even if he gained weight, close-ups, even from sides, would work much better than the shot trying to make him look slimmer and constantly filming him from above & front.

When you let yourself go this much, don't try to conceal it if you're going for the pro-shot route. Just embrace it and get in shape next time, it will surprise people.

Very poor choice of editing, way too obvious, and amateurish. 

So that's what Fernando was up to? That's what too so much fucking time? I got they would be more in the upcoming weeks but this is LAZY. Give me all the rushes I would do a much better editing than this crap and in much less time and for free.

And at this point, what we would appreciate is new music. If they go for the pro-shot route, do a fucking better job than this and give us something new, something fresh. Why not some interviews with Axl, how he feels, what he's about, his memories of the shows, anything really. This selected crap goes nowhere and has no feels to it. BORING AF.

8 hours ago, alangarcianr said:

I think Noel doesn’t care about oasis anymore. I mean, he’s moved on and yeah he has been a douchebag for the last years. Liam has been trying to keep the oasis thing alive and he’s doing it pretty well

Exactly. And that demo he's released under the name Oasis without telling Liam beforehand is very petty. And it's not very good either.

Liam cares about his fans like very few artists do, I'm impressed at how genuine he is, he's the only person I check out regularly on twitter.

I don't care if they reunite or not, I've seen Liam in february in Paris, it was the best gig I've attended in years. And the crowd was incredible.

The situation is going to get very, very bad. 

The things to really keep in mind about this new coronavirus:

1) It spreads extremely fast with a R0 estimated to be from 3 to 6, but in some cases it's 15, meaning one infected can spread the virus to 15 people in some cases.

2) The Death Rate is 3% (and it doesn't only kill old people)

3) You can contract the virus a second time once healed from it, and you have more chances of dying the second time you get it (it's still not clear wether you contract the virus again from another infected person, or if the virus remains hidden in your organism and symptoms start to show again)

4) The incubation period (when you contract the virus) is estimated to be between 7 to 14 days but in some cases it can go up ton 27 days which is completely mad. This is why so many people are infected this quickly because a lot of people have the virus in the organism without showing any symptom

5) This virus can survive on surfaces (door, floor, packages, etc) for a few hours but it's also rumored to be able to survive for 9 days (which I still cannot accept)

Several experts predict 40 to 70% of mankind will contract the virus within the next year.

It's going to be an absolutely mess worldwide. It's just starting and it's already affecting the economy. More and more events are being cancelled everywhere.

Some people like Bill Gates are concerned about Africa and poorer countries where healthcare is a catastrophe, but I'm concerned about everyone as a whole.

I simply can't imagine how bad it's gonna get in the next 3 months only as we will have to quarantine a lot of areas in a lot of countries hence blocking the economy.

Given how the virus is currently spreading throughout the world, it takes no genius to figure China is lying about the epidemic being contained. It's not. And I'm not sure how it can since you get infected again once healed. I'm not even sure a vaccine could work. Maybe in time they will find a proper vaccine that's 100% effective, but it will take over a year being very optimistic, and this is in the case the virus doesn't mutate.

China has taken huge measures to try to slow down the epidemic and by doing so has slowed down their economy. This is why everyone is back to work there but I can bet the epidemic is still growing and that they will have to communicate about it later on.

Some people want to stay hopeful thinking the virus will be gone by summer. Flash news: it is summer in some countries as we speak, and the virus is there.

A lot of our respective governments are outright lying about the seriousness of the situation. Donald Trump has completely downplayed it, as has our government over here in France and as a lot of other governments are. They want to buy time, keep the economy working and making it look as if nothing really worrying is going on.

For those who think it's just a regular flu or cold: have you seen China take such measure to quarantine over 50 million people in the past for other epidemics?  

Do you think any government ever quarantines cities (like Italy has done recently) for a flu?

Have you seen so many events cancelled in a row for a flu?

It's dead serious people. Because it spreads so fast, because the death rate isn't 0.1% but 3% and that's being generous, and because you can contract the virus another time enhancing your own death probability. 

From a recent study we got from China, 33% of the people who died from it had no medical precedents. 65% of the people who die from it are men, but some scientists think it's because men smoke more than women in China. There are a lot of younger people who died from it, it doesn't only concern people over 60 years old.

Most countries are currently trying to cover the information as much as they can to avoid panic. By doing so, I'm dead sure the effect will be the contrary once most people in the world start to see the deaths in their families & friends. Because as we speak, only a very small number of the worldwide population is infected. Because this pandemic is new, because it's still young. But it's going to grow exponentially within the next few months and won't be contained as nobody took the necessary measures. Even China. They may have quarantined 50 million people, but that still didn't prevent a lot of infected chinese people to travel all around the globe. And they allowed people back to work when the virus is still very present in their country and will infect again & again.

My best advice is to buy 1/2 months of food & water if you can. Food that can be eatable until 2021 at least if you can. You don't need to buy a huge stock at once, but a small stock every day next week.

Also try to keep some cash and not only depend on your credit card.

Who knows how bad it's gonna get. We're not all going to die (if the virus doesn't mutate with a more lethal death rate, which has a probability of happening since the virus has reached most countries), but the economy is going to be severely f***** worldwide, there is going to be a lot of paranoia everywhere and human interactions are going to get weird.

Take this very seriously. I wish you all the best. Take care.

16 hours ago, Wagszilla said:

My solution is not going to Guns N' Roses concerts, buying Guns N' Roses merchandise, following Guns N' Roses on social media, etc.

Until management is changed and fans are shown respect, that's my permanent solution. 

Get on board, TB/GNR or uh... 

This is what I'm doing. I think we should follow this basic principle.

I have completely shut off Gn'R from my life for over a month, completely fed up by what they've been doing. That doesn't prevent me from listening to some of their tracks now & then, but I absolutely don't support the current band & anything related to their business/communication. They have completely lost me & my interest.

I only visit this forum now & then to see if there's any evolution and fully support Russ.

Very sad that things have come to this.

1 hour ago, Underhardy said:

Also, the point of Axl being lazy for not re-recording vocals after 1999-2001 is ridiculous. Instruments were re-recorded and added in later because there were new musicians in the band. Why would Axl rerecord vocals that he feels he delivered the right way originally? Thank god he didn’t. Would’ve just been another way the album got further delayed. Ugh there is still time to delete this, dude 

"Would've just been another way the album got further delayed". 

Oh.

Right.

That's why we got an early release in 2008. Thank you for your great insights Underhardy.

36 minutes ago, Underhardy said:

You think Axl would just say ‘sung it on a Christmas Eve,’ and not mean he recorded the vocals? You think he’s just saying “Yeah I sung it in my car that one day, it was cool.” No, he recorded it. A few sentences later he says “when people hear it I’m sure they won’t agree.” Obviously he recorded the vocals, as he’s stating we’ll all hear them. Checks your facts, man! Too early for this nonsense. Posts like this are why Axl doesn’t go on these forums anymore. 

Your lack of logical sense is disturbing. "I sung it on a christmas eve" means "I recorded it" to you? Amazing. To me it just means he has a pretty good idea of vocals & lyrics and tried it on a christmas eve. As for the other sentence, it's just a hint he'd like to record & release it for people to hear it. Doesn't prove he had recorded it properly in a studio at that point in time.

That being said, I sure hope he recorded it and that we'll hear it.

7 minutes ago, papashaun said:

This post just took things a little too far.......Everything you heard on the leaks belongs to this band. With Axl being the main creator/curator, it's his choice if he feels to release the material in finished form to the public or not. Look at how much material artists like Tupac, Prince, and Michael Jackson kept in a "vault" so to speak. Just because they don't release it, doesn't mean it sucks or isn't good, it can all boil down to finding the right fit for an an album, or potential future plans....Sometimes those plans just don't happen the way they hoped for or wanted to. 

I don't think it's fair comparing artists like Prince who released shit ton of stuff while alive to Axl who has not released any new song officially in 11 years. 

As for me going too far, probably. I'm not from switzerland.

Just now, Propaganda said:

D, don't get me wrong here. I realize the frustration on not having much releases since the 90's (we only had CD in 2008, with new material), but i think you're assumption is very wrong, and let me explain why.

This locker saga thing... most of these recordings are from 1999,2000.  So you're basically basing your assumption on two years of work. This 20 cds is what Axl worked with the band for those two years, and we don't know if there is more out there. I'm sure there is. I'm sure more executives other than Zutaut had copies of these, and who knows even more.

Then you have the work that was done post 2000... 2002,2003,2004,2005,2006,2007 etc etc etc up until CD was released...which most of it, we don't have access to for obvious reasons.

Yes that's what I stated in another post here and thought it was obvious it my initial post. I'm not stating no other vocals exist beside this locker. I'm pretty sure now there must be another 50 cd's we've never heard about.

1 minute ago, UcudBmine said:

But with that last sentence you're contradicting most of what you're ranting about in your original post...

I guess you didn't understand my post, or maybe my english sucks so bad my point didn't came across lol.

Main point was to underline how there was all this instrumental stuff by 2001 and Axl had done only a third of it and picking some shit like Rhiad & Silkworms over some gems. I guarantee history would have been different and could definitely see a 2001/2002 release had Axl worked harder.

I'm in no way saying there are no other vocals done after that time period.

24 minutes ago, Underhardy said:

Just delete this post. What a load of nonsense. So many assumptions. You know Axl confirmed he laid down vocals on Me and My Elvis (Soul Monster) and said during the bridge we’re his meanest vocals ever. How the fuck do you know he didn’t record vocals for these songs? How the fuck do you know anything about what went on during that time? Oklahoma had vocals too. Just delete this shit so no one else has to waste their time reading it. And you actually think Axl would read this shit? 

He confirmed he sung it on a Christmas Eve, not that he recorded it in the studio, check the facts. Now, that could also mean it was recorded and I did mention it could have if you read my entire post.

Still, I'm mainly talking about the 1999-2001 time period. Who knows how many of those instrumentals have vocals now? It's only a speculation game.

Just now, Axl_morris said:

 I think when anyone has the audacity and becomes disillusioned enough to "write an open letter", they should step away from the keyboard, get some fresh air and discover a new hobby.

What a load of self centered nonsense.

5 minutes ago, jamillos said:

I’m more bummed about the fact that given the amount of material they had, they didn’t release a sequel in say three to four years, around 2012, instead of the continual touring. Same time, same channel, next year... yeah. 

It's the whole package really if you recoup everything.

Nonetheless, always nice to read everyone's opinion on this. I have my point of view and it's harsh. Deserves other harsh point of views hehe.

4 minutes ago, jamillos said:

Like said above, this is just stuff from 1999–2000/2001. There could be tons of other material as far as we know. E.g. there is that TIL version with Axl’s divine raspy vocals (the best I’ve heard from him to date, studio or live) that no one knows when it was recorded. Then the newer guys like BBF worked on something, and Axl had plenty of time in those idle times between tour legs to work on new material. This whole bunch is really just a snippet, nothing to base huge conclusions on. 

Conclusions on that time period only (1999-2001). Who knows, maybe he did record a lot after that. There are talks of 40/50 unheard songs with full vocals. Who knows.

Maybe I didn't make it clear enough in my post (& sorry for my approximative english) but my point was, he could have released an album in 2001 had he laid down vocals on most of the instrumental stuff & wasn't so butthurt about Ezrin's advice/take. Instead, it was a clusterfuck for another 7 years and we ended up with CD 2008. And nothing since then. 11 years without a single official new song. Blows my mind.

3 minutes ago, Gunnerfan_rus said:

Why do you think that you know everything and have heard everything simply by some CDs from one locker?

What if there are another 150 CDs?

Or you really think that that's all that band did during those years? We just have a small portion of background things went to our hands.

"That's all that band did during those years". That's already a lot, instrumentally speaking, for such a short time period (1999-2001). I do think that's pretty much it for those years. 

2 minutes ago, seely said:

A lot of assumptions there. Who knows how much other stuff was worked on before and after that time. Just because instrumental versions are all that leaked doesn't mean that lyrics aren't done and vocals aren't there on other versions.

Out of so many CD's and different versions from the same time period, I think it's safe to assume all of the vocals that were recorded are on there. It's possible Axl knew how to sing some of them (like Oklahoma) and had lyrics prepared, but he didn't record it.

Very interesting comments. I figured Slash would be number 1 and Bucket number 2, but didn't expect Finck third considering all the shit he got throughout the years (especially live).

As for my views, I have to divide into categories.

Best Guitarist Technically

1) Buckethead

2) Bumblefoot

3) Richard Fortus

4) Slash

5) Robin Finck

6) DJ Ashba

7) Izzy Stradlin

Best Creative Input for Guns

1) Izzy Stradlin

2) Slash

3) Robin Finck

4) Buckethead

5) Richard Fortus

6) Bumblefoot

7) DJ Ashba

Best Performer Live

1) Bumblefoot

2) Buckethead

3) Slash

4) Richard Fortus

5) Robin Finck

6) DJ Ashba

7) Izzy Stradlin

That's why it's so hard to rank them imo. Especially regarding the creative input part. I have doubts about Slash creative abilities as of now for Guns, for example.

Overall, here would be my final ranking.

1) Buckethead

2) Slash

3) Izzy Stradlin

4) Robin Finck

5) Bumblefoot

6) Richard Fortus

7) DJ Ashba

I feel Buckethead was criminally underused, and at the same time, extremely bold choice from Axl to choose pick him back then. So uncanny. Overall I think he was the guitarist with the most potential, and is an undisputable genius, as well as a very entertaining performer live (I love his style, as corny as he may look).

I feel Slash was essential to Guns, to the sound identity, and great performer too before Chinese ever happened. When I think of Guns N' Roses, my mind is divided in two: the CD era, and the classic era. Slash immediately comes to mind when thinking of classic era, as important as Axl for the iconic part. As of now though, I don't think he fits for CD songs, at all, and I have a lot of doubts about his abilities if he touches Chinese stuff.

Izzy was without a doubt even more essential to Guns than Slash was regarding the Classic Era, he's the man in the shadows. Not a good performer though, and very limited technical abilities. But the best composer for the classic era for sure. Who knows what would have come up had Izzy worked alongside Paul, Finck & Buckethead on the CD stuff. I doubt he'd be of any use as of now though, but probably still a better fit than Slash to compose.

Robin Finck is criminally underrated by fans in general imo, especially when we're talking about his abilities. I didn't rank him very high on the technical part, but Guns have had very skilled guitarists. I do think he's a very skilled musician, even if he fucked up from times to times live. He put a lot of soul and feel to the live performances and knows his stuff. The recent leaks just show how much of a creative input he was to the band.

Bumblefoot is underrated too, though a lot of people appreciate his undisputable skills. I do think he's a good composer and did a good job on his CD parts... even though with the vault leaks happening, it's clear Brian May for instance, did a far better job than he did on Catcher. I feel Bumblefoot's main problem was the tone of his guitar, how it sounded live and in the studio, it just doesn't do it. Brian May is a genius when it comes to sound, Bumblefoot isn't. His sound doesn't match Guns N' Roses, from my perspective. He'd sound crazy with a better sound. As for his live performances, he was by far the best guitarist on stage from 2006 to 2014 and gave the best respect to all the songs he covered. In fact, I think he did the best job out of all Gn'R guitarists, ever, on covering everything from AFD to Chinese. He just knew how to perfectly reproduce everything. His only problem: his fucking guitar sound/tone.

Richard Fortus is very, very underrated on this poll, despite me placing him so low here, because even if it looks like he was in the band forever (since 2002), he hasn't been used properly. I feel he's one of the most gifted guitarists technically, and as of 2019, he's the best guitarist in the band. Yes, I believe he's technically more advanced than Slash. Problem is, he was never given the most technical stuff to play and shine, though he can definitely play them, and we haven't heard him enough in the studio. Who knows what he could come up with? In regards to Guns next album, I feel he's the only hope in the band. Regarding his live performances, he's constantly upped his game, and I was very impressed when I saw him play each time, he's extremely gifted.

DJ Ashba finishes last for me, no surprise there, though I never understood all the bashing. I think he's a great guitarist and a great performer live. I think the main problem was his style, he looks like he comes from a parody of a bad Tim Burton movie. I think what he did with his Better remix was interesting, and he's gifted in Sixx AM creatively, who knows what he could have come up with? I would actually have liked to witness that. He impressed me each time I saw him live, and I was fortunate enough to attend shows where he didn't fuck up anywhere. He actually did a pretty good job at covering CD parts & Slash parts, and was very cool to the audience, even if he posed a lot. Thing is, as much as Axl let him shine on the stage, Bumblefoot & Fortus were still more competent than him, so that sucks a bit. Ashba should have been the third guitarist, period. And we never saw what he could come up really, creatively speaking. Who knows, maybe he could have made some cool original stuff. I did like his Ballad of Death song, live.

To conclude: I like them all and I appreciate what they brought to the band, either live and or in the studio. Not one single shitty guitarist/uninteresting player in my book.

I'm curious about the results. Please choose your favorite Gn'R guitarist ever. Didn't include Paul & Gilby as they've not been in the band long enough imo.

We'll see who gets the most love... 

5 minutes ago, WWEROSES said:

If you are that displeased with the band for any reason, why continue to come back to the forum and bash them? 

Go say that to all the people who bashed the band constantly between the 90's and 2010, when Axl was still kicking asses and taking names, and all the bad press he got.

I find it astonishing the press was so hard on him when he wasn't with Slash (and was actually in much better shape all around, especially vocally and DID some fucking effort to play new songs), and now they're so nice. Just because he's back with Slash. It's ridiculous.

I think what we have now is actually far worse than any other time in Gn'R history, because at the end of the day, the person that matters the most (to me anyway) in the band is Axl. If he's not up for the mission, the mission is a failure.

I'm one of the people who were supportive most of the time, whatever the lineup, because Axl delivered. I don't care so much if a guitarist fucks up or the drums are no Adler or Brain. I don't even mind if the setlist is the same when I attend different shows (like I did in 2010, 4 shows and not so much variety in the setlist, but at least there WERE some variations).

Only times I was really disappointed is when Axl fucked it up (like Rock in Rio 2011).

Now, ever since 2011, I've begun to doubt what was going on with Axl and wasn't as present on the boards as I was in 2009-10. Between 2011 and 2014, it was a weird time, and I didn't give much shit anymore. Axl did the same things over & over & over again, with no new music. Nothing. Nothing for me as well then.

Even some members of the band complained about it. And his voice got weak. If you compare anything from 2011 until now, to 2010, Axl has lot a lot of his voice. I was only really surprised with the Axl/DC shows.

With the reunion, everyone got their hopes up, but I didn't. It meant no CD II (at least for a while, and I wasn't wrong on that; I don't even think the whole will get even released officially ever, one can only wonder what the fuck happened), and it meant probably a lot of shows with the big 3, without going nowhere. And so far, this reunion has gone nowhere, except a shitload of shows, with a weak Axl, and not a single new song (please don't say shadow of your love). And now he's weaker than ever.

I just hoped that with the rumors of a new Guns album with Slash & Duff, Axl would have something to prove again and that he would make a huge comeback yesterday night, losing some pounds, singing awesome, and mostly, kicking off the tour with some NEW FUCKING SONGS. How. Fucking. Difficult. Is. That?

 But no. Same old show, and worse Axl than ever. Maybe not Rio 2011 bad, but not that far.

And if you look at last year, I did attend one show (after having left a 2012 show around the middle because I couldn't take Axl's vocals any longer, avoiding the 2017 one because of Axl's vocals, and having a lot of hesitation about going, but I told myself "hey, at least you'll see Axl with Slash & Duff for the first time in person") and tried to remain positive about it. I did underline that him playing Coma at every show was a very bold move, and that the setlist overall was extremely ambitious, that the band was tight. I can't take anything away from that. BUT, I told myself "if things stay like this or go worse, I'm done". And it's basically what happened yesterday. But I was really hoping that Axl would spice it up. Go crazy. Like he used to.

It's really because of the shitload of leaks that I have found a new interest in Guns and why the boards have been so active this past month. Finally hearing Hard School/Checkmate was so unexpected. Not even talking about the rest.

When Axl takes a long break, I'm always expecting something else/new. I hate to be this disappointed with him. Believe me, I love the man, and I consider him as the best frontman of all time. So you know, I'm a fan too. Now, I won't write this shit over & over & over again. If he wants things to stay this way and is happy that way, fine. I can respect that. Good for him, and I'll just go fuck myself. I'll just leave it be & not bother anymore.

You know, a lot of us expressing their disappointments express it this way because they're so passionate about Gn'R and especially Axl.

And when you really love something/somebody, it's better to say what's really on your mind and just be honest here. Axl needs to work on himself, like very very very hard, and play new music as soon as possible, and release it on record. This BS has been going on for far too long.

 If he doesn't, then I think I won't be the only one to lose total interest in the band. If they show up in my city next year, I won't attend the show if things stay this way. Clear & simple. I am NOT paying for this. No way. I think criticism is important as long as it's constructive.

You just can't tell Axl that it's all perfect & great when he puts on a show like yesterday. Come on.

14 minutes ago, ChildOfTheMoon said:

I completely disagree with a few people here. I don’t think that Axl is that motivated since the 90’s.

Just have a look at House of Blues 2001... any show from 2006 & 2010... or even Axl with AC/DC. Then look at yesterday's show. It's night and day. Maybe you haven't followed the band since the 90's and only cared about the reunion.

"that motivated since the 90's"...  Taco Bell motivation for sure. As for the rest, sorry but no. I can't help but wonder what kind of sandwiches he eats. What I'm sure is that it would take a lot more people than you... to eat this sandwich. Even with an iron stomach. More than you got to finish the plate.

8 minutes ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

Also how is axl fat? He look s fine in this pic

You should check pics from his profile and other angles. Also, this picture is photoshopped.

Even so, I could somewhat cope with this current appearance if he sang amazing. As of now, he has nothing to entertain me, he's a shadow of what he used to be.

I'm sorry but I have to be honest here. He's at his lowest. I have a hard time accepting it after a 10 months break. Godammit this guy has so much potential and does NOTHING with it as of now, blows my mind.

1 minute ago, sl4yer said:

Well in 2016, he seemed to be pretty motivated. I think way more than in most 2011-2014 shows. But he went downhill from there. The guy need some challenge, some motivation. Last time it was AC/DC, now he should release music and work his ass off to represent it as good as he can. 

He is the best when he is in the fight mode. Now he is far from it. He is tired and bored.

 

*PLAY GODDAMN HARDSCHOOL PLS*

He was definitely motivated in 2016... For Axl/DC shows. But he definitely made efforts with Guns too. And yeah it went downhill from there.

I think he basically needs to be insulted to be motivated, just look at 2001, 2006 and 2010. He got shit on the internet for years, and whenever he came back on stage, he fucking gave it his all.

Now all the medias are saying great things, and he's lost motivation. I even saw an article on yesterday's show that was pretty nice... journalists have really no objectivity. 2010 Guns shows were miles better than anything between 2016 and now.