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Somebody fucked up huge. The tickets say doors open at 7. Gnr went on stage at exactly 7pm. Thousands of people are scrambling to get into the arena.

Is anyone else heading to this?

Speaking as someone who missed out on the first SE Asia leg, I'd love to see them do another. I still maintain that a show in Taipei is apropos, given that Taiwan is the closest thing to a Chinese Democracy.

Wasn't this originally in the New York Times years ago?

Someone told me that you have to book the Tokyo Dome like a year out, so that could explain the choice of Saitama.

The dates are perfect for me, as I'm in Taiwan and the shows fall during Chinese New Year which means I'll have the time off anyway. But this Japanese credit card deal does throw another wrinkle into the equation.

Hopefully they'll add some more SE Asia dates (Taipei? Fingers crossed).

1 hour ago, Towelie said:

Bullshit.

Plenty of GNR fans enjoyed Chinese. And even the fans that didn't aren't all like the knobheads who think GNR ended in 1989 when Steven Adler left.

I don't know what drugs you're on, but it's only polite that you share.

I don't want to hear Slash and Duff's take on Axl's solo stuff. I don't want to hear Axl's take on VR stuff. When I spend a rather large amount of money on a GNR show, I want to hear GNR doing GNR songs. Radical idea, I know. 

1 hour ago, Apollo said:

Wasn't it just one thing? And didn't she show us the actual text message from Slash? 

So we agree she's not being told the truth. 

14 minutes ago, eldibuxxx said:

Vicky Hamilton today said "Steven don`t play with Guns"

http://www.gnrla.com/foro/showthread.php?tid=2102

Vicky hasn't been right about anything reunion-related so far.

Given Adler's history, it's understandable to assume the worst. But we don't know if there's anything to worry about with him yet. Could be he's part of the reunion, could be as simple as he sprained his wrist and can't make that particular gig.

7 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Why do you think this is some news flash to me or anyone else?

You seem to be particularly tone-deaf on this issue.

15 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

 

The last thing I want is some nostalgia trip where the band acts like it was a UYI lineup, asking Richard to emulate what Gilby did, and not playing CD songs. 

News flash: that's what the rest of the world wants. That's the reason this is happening to begin with.

I've got nothing against Fortus, good player and seems like a decent dude.

But those saying that he should be in the band over Gilby because he's a superior player are missing the point, perhaps intentionally.

What we're talking about is who is a better fit for a GNR reunion. And before anyone tries to say otherwise, yes this is a GNR reunion. Arguing semantics is pointless. As it stands, it's a GNR reunion plus a couple of session players. What people want is for those session players to be replaced with someone who wouldn't be out of place in a GNR reunion. If Izzy's not going to be there, Gilby is the next logical choice. He was with the band at the peak of their popularity, played with them at the RNRHOF and played with the band at the shows where they had their largest audiences both live and on video release.

The world has flatly rejected the CD era. If they hadn't, there wouldn't be a reunion in the first place, so making arguments using that era as a pillar is again pointless. You may not like it, but the people have spoken. The fact is, any discussion focusing on the CD era is limited to this and a couple of other internet forums. Through no fault of his own, Fortus is a symbol of that failed experiment. The farther away any sort of reunion is from the stench of that failure, the better. 

So if you're going to go the reunion route, go the full monty. Give us band members that we can identify with as GNR in their heyday. 

22 minutes ago, Mr. Dude said:

Regardless of the comparison in volume of original material released, there is no denying that Richard Fortus is and always has been in far better physical condition than Gilby Clarke.

If that were the criteria for being in GNR, Axl would have been booted out a long time ago.

I'd much rather have the CD2 tracks and whatever else from the NuGuns era released as a "lost tapes" collection or as part of a box set or what have you. Just get Axl, Slash and Duff in a room together and let them hash out one or two ideas. Split royalties 33.3 each. Boom.

14 hours ago, RussTCB said:

I guess that depends on your stance on ITW or Madagascar. I dig both of those tunes, so I'm at least grateful for those contributions.

What do we know that Pitman did on those songs? On Madagascar, the only quote I remember was that he kept switching synth instruments while Axl was playing the chord progression until he landed on the French horn that Axl liked.

I don't think they should be doing VR or CD material. Stick to GNR stuff.

On 2/10/2016 at 4:08 PM, tremolo said:

Albini seems to be such a cool guy.

 

He's not a producer though. What I mean by this is that he doesn't try to change the band's sound to make it more one way or another. He captures the real sound of a band and doesn't fuck with it adding a lot of shit on top or going crazy with overdubs. The only thing he does is experiment with mic placement in order to get the right sound.

I'm a big fan of his work and his ethics.

Kind of like Mike Clink that way.

2 hours ago, Billsfan said:

Actually, with the 3 guitarists, we'd see a better show

More does not equal better. You'd have thought CD would have taught you that.

11 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

 

I can appreciate the point of view that Axl (likely) holds that the past 20 years weren't a gigantic waste of time and that somehow It's still his "Guns N' Roses" that the old hands have asked to rejoin, but there's maybe 5 people outside of Brazil that hold that viewpoint. Unfortunately, they all happen to be on this forum. 

Well, I think the amount of people how have enjoyed concerts these last years, enjoyed CD, realizes that what we are (likely) to receive is a mix of members form various lineups, and acknowledges that GN'R has existed for quite some time, is more than an insignificant number or contained to Brazil. But this is besides the point, isn't it? My problem wasn't whether we are right or not to call it a reunion (it certainly isn't a lineup reunion at least), whether CD was a failure (commercially it was, artistically it depends on whether you liked it or not and whether the artists are happy with it), whether it was Guns N' Roses or not (formally it was, subjectivelly you are as free to deny it being GN'R as you are free to deny the landmass immediate north of England being Scotland), but whether it is right to throw out a band member who has been in the band for quite some time considering that we aren't receiving a full reunion anyways and that he has (apparently) been nothing but loyal and hardworkign all this time (I think it is indecent, actually).

Keep towing that party line!

So I guess the choices are Steven, Matt, Frank or a combination of some kind. Given musical considerations as well as their personal and professional history, what do you think the band should do?

Last I heard Frank is the drummer in GN'R. No reason to even contemplate alternatives.

Yeah a Guns N Roses reunion is being talked about and there's no reason to even contemplate alternatives to Frank as the drummer......No reason to contemplate alternatives to the least Guns n Roses drummer ever. Holy fuck.

Reunion? You talking about Slash and Duff coming back to the band? Why would that necessitate throwing out the drummer? Two guitar players and a bass player left the band, no drummer. So not following you at all.

Oh stop it.

It's indecent too, to just toss out the drummer in the band because Slash and Duff is returning to the fold.

If Guns N' Roses are getting back together, it only makes sense to invite people who were in that band. No one of consequence is buying the "Slash and Duff decided to come back to Axl's band" line.

Yeah, but Guns N' Roses isn't getting back together. Mostly for the fact it never disappeared, but also because only a few old band members are returning to replace some that left.

I refer you to my previous statement. No one of consequence is buying that line.

But as long as Slash and Duff ARE coming back to "Axl's band", as in they replacing Tommy and Bumblefoot/Dj who have quit, then it ISN'T a reunion of the AFD or UYI lineups, regardless how hard some people here want it to be. I don't know about how many who understands this are "of consequence" or not, but I think pretty many DO understand it, including all the band members.

I understand, and to some extent appreciate, that you want to turn it into a ressurection of any of those lineups, but we have no reason to believe that is happening. If Axl was disbanding the last lineup to do some nostalgia shows with the AFD lineup, then fine, Steven must of course return, but again, we have no reason to think that THAT is Axl's plan here. Maybe Steven will be helped up on stage for a show or two, but most indications suggest that what we have now is a hybrid luneup consisting of the last lineup with some old members form the band's heydays. And as such discussing things as if a full reunion is the plan and that Frank must be tossed out because he is a problem, is a bit insulting.

Again, this usn't a reunion, it is Slash and Duff wanting to play in Guns N' Roses again, even to the extent of joining the latest lineup. And why shouldn't they want to do that? They will play great songs, many of which they helped to write, with other great musicians, to large audiences possibly all over the world.

I can appreciate the point of view that Axl (likely) holds that the past 20 years weren't a gigantic waste of time and that somehow It's still his "Guns N' Roses" that the old hands have asked to rejoin, but there's maybe 5 people outside of Brazil that hold that viewpoint. Unfortunately, they all happen to be on this forum.

So I guess the choices are Steven, Matt, Frank or a combination of some kind. Given musical considerations as well as their personal and professional history, what do you think the band should do?

Last I heard Frank is the drummer in GN'R. No reason to even contemplate alternatives.

Yeah a Guns N Roses reunion is being talked about and there's no reason to even contemplate alternatives to Frank as the drummer......No reason to contemplate alternatives to the least Guns n Roses drummer ever. Holy fuck.

Reunion? You talking about Slash and Duff coming back to the band? Why would that necessitate throwing out the drummer? Two guitar players and a bass player left the band, no drummer. So not following you at all.

Oh stop it.

It's indecent too, to just toss out the drummer in the band because Slash and Duff is returning to the fold.

If Guns N' Roses are getting back together, it only makes sense to invite people who were in that band. No one of consequence is buying the "Slash and Duff decided to come back to Axl's band" line.

Yeah, but Guns N' Roses isn't getting back together. Mostly for the fact it never disappeared, but also because only a few old band members are returning to replace some that left.

I refer you to my previous statement. No one of consequence is buying that line.

So I guess the choices are Steven, Matt, Frank or a combination of some kind. Given musical considerations as well as their personal and professional history, what do you think the band should do?

Last I heard Frank is the drummer in GN'R. No reason to even contemplate alternatives.

Yeah a Guns N Roses reunion is being talked about and there's no reason to even contemplate alternatives to Frank as the drummer......No reason to contemplate alternatives to the least Guns n Roses drummer ever. Holy fuck.

Reunion? You talking about Slash and Duff coming back to the band? Why would that necessitate throwing out the drummer? Two guitar players and a bass player left the band, no drummer. So not following you at all.

Oh stop it.

It's indecent too, to just toss out the drummer in the band because Slash and Duff is returning to the fold.

If Guns N' Roses are getting back together, it only makes sense to invite people who were in that band. No one of consequence is buying the "Slash and Duff decided to come back to Axl's band" line.

So I guess the choices are Steven, Matt, Frank or a combination of some kind. Given musical considerations as well as their personal and professional history, what do you think the band should do?

Last I heard Frank is the drummer in GN'R. No reason to even contemplate alternatives.

Yeah a Guns N Roses reunion is being talked about and there's no reason to even contemplate alternatives to Frank as the drummer......No reason to contemplate alternatives to the least Guns n Roses drummer ever. Holy fuck.

Reunion? You talking about Slash and Duff coming back to the band? Why would that necessitate throwing out the drummer? Two guitar players and a bass player left the band, no drummer. So not following you at all.

Oh stop it.

Adler can't handle the gig, so it should go to Sorum. The stench of Axl's failed band should be kept as far away from a reunion as possible.