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GNRTruth have up an exclusive excerpt from Duff McKagan’s new book How To Be A Man

2 questions:

-How is it possible to have an "exclusive excerpt" from a commercially available book?

-If it's exclusive to GNRTruth, why does the link go to Alternative Nation?

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Beyond that, the idea of Duff and Axl texting each other knock knock jokes makes me smile.

I think Slash is just being mature. It's not too different then what he's said over the past few years. Everyone involved would be down for a reunion in the right circumstances, bar Axl.

I also have to think "the right circumstances" for Slash and Duff would mean TB is cut out of the equation.

Of course Pacman is the better fighter. Mayweather barely is a fighter. He is a counter-puncher and he is one of the best in it. It's nothing somebody can deny but to call him a fighter? Lol never.

Again, I'm not saying he isn't the better boxer, but he just isn't the better fighter.

Is Klitschko a fighter? No. He is very athletic but a fighter? Lewis was a fighter. Mike Tyson was a fighter. Mayweather isn't a fighter.

And to be honest, I haven't seen Floyd's "victory" that clear as the jury did. Don't trust any jury at all. I'll bet in Manila the exact same fight with another jury wouldn't have been rated the same way.

I'm trying my best not to be rude here but you seem absolutely clueless about this subject. The guy that hasn't lost in 48 fights is barely a fighter? The guy that's had the heavyweight championship for 10 years and has 14 stoppages in that time isn't a fighter?

And are you really advancing the point that Manny should have won that fight? Yeah...if only the fight were judged by impartial folks from Manny's hometown. SMH.

People who have actually been punched in the face realize that it's better off to avoid it if you can. There's more to fighting than just winging your arms around and hoping for the best. But hey, Bart Simpson = real fighter.

http://youtu.be/mOy2vnrWYXY?t=52

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And yes, I am still giggling at Axl being outraged at something that took far too long to be put together and under-delivered when it finally came to pass. It's like the guy has never heard of irony.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing though. There were a lot of people picking Tyson over Lewis. But now we know that Tyson's demise was one colossal slide from Holyfield downwards. There is actually no way Tyson could have beating Lewis but it is so much easier to say that now. But we did not know all of this at the time.

No one who counts picked Tyson over Lewis.

The fight was not a ripoff and whoever says otherwise doesnt know shit about boxing. Mayweather is the champion, and if you want to beat champion you have two options

A- Beat the shit out of him so that nobody can deny that you should win

B- KO

Obviously both things didnt happen.

Other people are talking about the hug and running bullshit. You know what? That is a technique and Mayweather used it because he knew that he would get less hits. Why go and expose yourself if you can play the defensive way and win easily?

And lets not forget the fact that Mayweather is american, the judges were american and the fight took place in the USA.

Oh, and the numbers speak for themselves.

Im not trying to defend Mayweather but all the rip off thing is bullshit, boxing consists in hitting without getting hit.

So basically what im saying is that Axl's tweets are shit as usual, except for the no PPV part (Here in Argentina was for free anyway, so i dont really care).

You're right. Pacquiao couldn't have won either way- bad arm or not. He couldn't have won if Mayweather only had one good arm and he had two. Whether the injury is being thrown out as an excuse, a justification for rematch, or whether the Pacquiao camp is lying completely, or all the above it wouldn't and it doesn't matter. The end result is, was, and will be the same.

Floyd was and is a "great" fighter. Pacquiao was never any better than "good"- even at his best he wasn't great...and he really hasn't been all that good for a while now. I think the rematch will be even more decisive. I just hope that the cop outs and excuses end with Floyd's unanimous decision in the rematch. Even if he desperately needs the money Pacman is above all that nonsense. Perhaps its all just promoter smoke-screen marketeering.

LOL

Pacquiao is an excellent fighter. He's way more of a fighter than Floyd. Pacquiao is searching the fight while Mayweather is trying to escape. Floyd may be the more successfully boxer because of his speed and technical skills but Pacman is without a doubt the better fighter.

Some people may like Mayweather's boxing style more but I prefer Pacquiao's fights 'cause they're more entertaining to me.

Calling Pac the better "fighter" in some weird arbitrary sense doesn't mean anything. It's like saying "Sure, Gretzky scored a zillion points but [insert name here] is a better hockey player because I like it that way" (Go ahead and adjust for your sport of preference). You can say that the fight wasn't the most aesthetically pleasing thing in the world and few would argue with you. But if Pac was the better fighter, he would have won. Or even threatened Floyd more than twice in the entire fight. Fact is, he couldn't cut off the angles, couldn't pivot and even when he lunged in, he didn't look good. He also got hit almost a hundred times more than Floyd did. But sure, better fighter, have at it.

As for Axl, I will join in the chorus of people saying that choosing to make that statement is one of life's great ironies.

I like the music, not a huge fan of the lyrics.

What's going on with the jacket ?

Jackets are hard

Oh my fucking god! I can't believe this attention whore keeps talking about Axl to keep himself relevant. If it weren't for Axl nobody would care about $la$h, especially now in 2015. Dude can't even do an interview without talking about Axl. Clearly he's obsessed and wants.... more like needs a reunion. At least Axl has integrity and doesn't talk about ex band members in the media.

You really have no clue how to post memes or anything like it. Great song by Oasis but it completely misses whatever mark you were trying to hit.

You're making that statement without even a hint of irony, aren't you?

Axl Rose solo album with all original self penned tunes would be the ultimate trip for Christmas 2015

He did start on one in 94

Slash - Um Tell you truth, Duff's solo album Gilby's doing one, it's pretty much finished. That's basically it. I don't have any plans to do I don't think Axl You do have one.

Axl - I'm hoping to I'm trying to put a project together that is kind of a top-secret weapon right now."

Any ideas if any material from that project made it on to CD?

My guess is no. I have this idea it was a Trent Reznor kind of project.

That would be my guess too - I think that's about the time he was big into Trent/NIN.

I have no idea what happened to that I'm afraid. I think that quote is the only time I have heard about it

I think it was an industrial/electronic project with Trent and Dave Grohl on drums and Dave Navarro on lead.

Those were names Axl wanted to be involved. The idea never got to even asking them about it though. Just a grandiose dream.

He did ask Navarro to join if I'm not mistaken, and he may have played on Oh My God. Dave said he was too fucked up to join Guns back then or something like that.

Axl did ask Dave to meet with Slash re: joining GNR, and Dave never showed up. Nothing ever came of Axl's idea for a solo project.

Axl Rose solo album with all original self penned tunes would be the ultimate trip for Christmas 2015

He did start on one in 94

Slash - Um Tell you truth, Duff's solo album Gilby's doing one, it's pretty much finished. That's basically it. I don't have any plans to do I don't think Axl You do have one.

Axl - I'm hoping to I'm trying to put a project together that is kind of a top-secret weapon right now."

Any ideas if any material from that project made it on to CD?

My guess is no. I have this idea it was a Trent Reznor kind of project.

That would be my guess too - I think that's about the time he was big into Trent/NIN.

I have no idea what happened to that I'm afraid. I think that quote is the only time I have heard about it

I think it was an industrial/electronic project with Trent and Dave Grohl on drums and Dave Navarro on lead.

Those were names Axl wanted to be involved. The idea never got to even asking them about it though. Just a grandiose dream.

I think Gould and Azoff were doing what they could to get Chinese Democracy out, and Interscope didn't give a fuck once Azoff made the Best Buy deal. Axl probably owed the label millions in advance money and Azoff cleared the decks.

Tickets being expensive is a whole other topic but I don't put that just on Azoff. The only thing he did was have them lower nosebleeds and make the prime seats ridiculously high, which is no different than what Kid Rock did with his 20 dollar tickets. He still charged a lot for the best seats in the house. It's just the perception of Kid Rock being "man of the people".

Azoff has a great sense of humor - Hagar put in his tour rider he wanted a bottle of wine but he was building up a wine cellar. Azoff caught on and started popping open the wine bottles

This is about the size of it. Azoff's job was to clear the Interscope tab and get a record out. He did that. Did he press for a reunion? Probably. But anyone in a management position would when looking at ROI. The thing that people hating on Azoff are forgetting is that nuGNR wasn't generating returns for a massive expenditure. Be it the never-ending album or tours that had the plug pulled on them. Yet Axl would no doubt still demand massive advances before setting foot in the studio or on the road. Only a reunion album/tour would allow both the massive investment and the possibility of generating a return.

If Axl scaled back his demands a bit, there may be more room for accommodation. But he got used to being treated a certain way and having a certain lifestyle.

Great googly moogly. That's sad.

Shacklers Revenge is probably the best song Axl Rose has ever done, seriously.

Now you're just being silly.

It's already been forgotten, or what it's worse, people don't know it exists, so they can't even forget about its existence. I mean, go outside your house and ask 100 people what band released Chinese Democracy. Then ask them who released Appetite for Destruction.

"Chinese Democracy will be appreciated in time"

#axlfanlogic

Well its better than "St Anger" (unless you like Lars hitting his sticks on pots & pans & tincans), AC/DC's latest album, Slash latest album, it will eventually gain a cult following, its a hit on vinyl, and sold millions, so get off your high horse and listen to Nickleback.

The worst of those albums is still better than Chinese Democracy. The album flopped and it's available for 99 cents at Dollar Tree. So, get off your fanboy blind-following horse and listen to Axl in Rio 2011.

"It will eventually gain a cult following".

Based on what? I like lots of things that weren't commercially successful. But just because *I* like them, that doesn't mean they're destined to become cult favourites.

And what constitutes a hit on vinyl?

I think the better question is, "doesn't it already have a cult following"? I mean there's pretty many of us who love CD passionately, but not many enough to consider it a mainstream success. In other words it has a cult following.

That's a pretty lonely cult. Everyone that liked the album seems to post here.

I still can't get over that the premise of this thread is that somehow Bill Murray doing Lost in Translation was somehow a bad thing. He was nominated for the Best Actor Oscar for chrissakes.

It's already been forgotten, or what it's worse, people don't know it exists, so they can't even forget about its existence. I mean, go outside your house and ask 100 people what band released Chinese Democracy. Then ask them who released Appetite for Destruction.

"Chinese Democracy will be appreciated in time"

#axlfanlogic

Well its better than "St Anger" (unless you like Lars hitting his sticks on pots & pans & tincans), AC/DC's latest album, Slash latest album, it will eventually gain a cult following, its a hit on vinyl, and sold millions, so get off your high horse and listen to Nickleback.

The worst of those albums is still better than Chinese Democracy. The album flopped and it's available for 99 cents at Dollar Tree. So, get off your fanboy blind-following horse and listen to Axl in Rio 2011.

"It will eventually gain a cult following".

Based on what? I like lots of things that weren't commercially successful. But just because *I* like them, that doesn't mean they're destined to become cult favourites.

And what constitutes a hit on vinyl?

The one with Al Pacino was good.

I didn't care for Donnie Brasco. But that may have been because they strayed so far from the book, which I loved. I thought the real story was good enough without hollywood "improving" it. That's also my fear with the Whitey Bulger story.

Looks good, but I've found Johnny Depp's "gangster movie" offerings to be among his weaker stuff. And I say that as a guy who likes gangster movies and Johnny Depp.

Someone compared fucking CD to The White Album. I've officially seen everything.

Liked Pure Morning and their cover of Running up that Hill.

jarmo said many, many negative things about duff.

for example, when velvet revolver was launched, jarmo considered that duff was an opportunist for letting his hair grow... according to jarmo, duff had long hair in order for fans to remember that he was the bass player in guns n'roses....

I can't stop laughing at that.

I don't think she's necessarily wrong. Not because Vicky has some secret magic powers or anything, but if Axl and Slash got in a room together with anyone they both trusted to moderate, nothing but good things would come. Of course getting them there is the trick while Axl is all "Mommy, he was mean to me!" and Slash is all "Fuck that ginger".

They didn't die out. That's the point. Turn on rock radio, you'll still hear any of a half-dozen GNR songs. I can't remember the last time I heard a Limp Bizkit song anywhere.

Terrible thread, but I expect nothing else from the creator.

Turn on rock radio and you'll hear GNR.

Turn on whatever the fuck genre LB is radio and you'll hear LB.

Turn on relevant music radio and you'll hear neither.

Weren't you in diapers when GNR were big, Cardi?

I'm all for not overstating how super influential GNR were but having experienced both band's respective heydays, GNR were more a lot more "mainstream" than Limp Bizkit, as in it wasn't just sweaty teenage boys that liked GNR.

What's "relevant music" by the way?

Everything goes out of fashion (if you pay attention to fashion, that is) and becomes passe'...

Yes, I am a young person who, god willing, still has a nice long life ahead of him, thanks for reminding me.

Obviously there are slight differences between GNR and LB. I'm not saying their situations are identical, but they are very similar. And really, were sweaty teenage Limp Bizkit fans any worse than sweaty teenage 80s rock fans? Yeah, LB was more of a niche thing, but they were still undeniably huge during their time. GNR were huge during their time and sure, their stuff still plays on the classic rock radio, but have they had any influence on music? Do any modern music acts sound like them? The only mainstream band I can think of that has cited GNR as a big inspiration are Avenged Sevenfold.

If the legacy of a band that was on their way to becoming "the next Rolling Stones" is a few songs that get played before football games, the Rolling Stones must have been pretty shit.

Having experienced both eras, it's a silly comparison. And I'm not saying that to shit on Limp Bizkit. There's a few fun songs there. But looking at the numbers alone makes the comparison fall flat on it's face.

I think the "sweaty teenage boys" comment was meant to say that Limp played to a very specific demographic. While you'll find people from all walks of life that like "Paradise City" or "Sweet Child".

I don't have any idea where the "influence" question comes into play. That's a total strawman. GNR tunes have stood the test of time, Limp Bizkit has not.

Where do you find Limp Bizkit on radio now? Legit question. I listen to modern rock stations and every once in a while they'll reach back and spin GNR. As for Limp, I think I heard "Faith" on an all request lunch a year ago, but not 100% on that.

They didn't die out. That's the point. Turn on rock radio, you'll still hear any of a half-dozen GNR songs. I can't remember the last time I heard a Limp Bizkit song anywhere.

Terrible thread, but I expect nothing else from the creator.

Axl said he had two completed albums. Why sit on them for years?

Because he wasn't entirely thruthful and knows a little bit more work is needed before he can let them go and simultaneously knows that "a little work" easily turns into 5 years of agony followed by 10 years of ridicule?

When did he tell you that?

Not hard to follow the logic.