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Duff is a guest for 5 shows. It's cool, but not mind-blowing or "legitimizing". He'll play, hang out a bit, collect his cheque and leave. How is it different than any of Izzy's appearances?
First of all, Duff is not a "guest" for 5 shows. He will be the bass guitarist of GNR for 5 shows. That's more shows than Paul Huge ever played - and would you say he wasn't a member of GNR? Because factually speaking, he was.
It's different to Izzy's appearances because Izzy has never played a full show; let alone most of an entire tour Leg.
Is he leaving after those 5 shows? Then he's a guest. He's not "re-joining" anything. He's not part of a "partnership". He's a fill-in. You're deliberately being obtuse.
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If for you this band is legitimate then Duff is not legitimazing anything that is already legimate.
Ha, but what about those that don't regard this GNR as legitimate because it doesn't have any old members other than Axl? Duff is literally performing 5 shows with this version of GNR; that legitimizes Axl's efforts at trying to continue GNR.
No reunion has been forced, Duff is performing with the new band on Axl's terms (something Slash convinced him was unacceptable). If you don't see that as a turn up for the books, then you refuse to look at this objectively.
Yes, one of us definitely refuses to look at this objectively.
Duff is a guest for 5 shows. It's cool, but not mind-blowing or "legitimizing". He'll play, hang out a bit, collect his cheque and leave. How is it different than any of Izzy's appearances?
The fact that you see a member from the classic era hanging out for a week or two as legitimizing something Axl has been trying to do since 1999 or so speaks way more about his own failure to do so in those 15 years.
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Then why are you in this thread? You joined a discussion about the finale of a show just to say "i don't like it, i'm better than that?"
You're one of my favourite posters here, but you're coming off incredibly douchetastic right now.
On topic, I thought Lost had a better finale. LOST. If I wanted something long, depressing and a total letdown....I have my life.
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Geez Downzy, I hated the finale but take the stick out of your ass.
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Richard Donner once said he'd only do a fifth if it was a film chronicling the last 24 hours in the lives of Riggs and Murtaugh. Either way, a 5th is out of the question as Mel Gibson's taking up space on the major studio blacklist.
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Yes. They are good. Watch them.
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I prefer Goodfellas by a wide margin. Casino's in a "good, not great" category for me. Like others have said, it felt long and meandering. I actually didn't care for the cinematography and costumes, I found the colour choices too distracting although I understand the rationale behind them. I also wasn't as big a fan of Sharon Stone's performance or character as many were, I thought the whole storyline with her and James Woods did nothing but suck the life out of the film.
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I'd just say "Dude, why"? He could interpret that however he chose.
It's Amir, not Ali
Ali is my dad's name
People are sleeping on this. The idea of MyGNR Ali being Amir's dad is giving me a good chuckle.
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Seems like a nice enough dude, can definitely play no matter your thoughts on his solo work, has a good ear and was mentioned last night on The Simpsons. All good things.
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They don't throw in airfare? That's pretty chincy.
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NGOG's terrible and I don't know why he considers himself "media", but even my cynical ass is willing to write off tonight as a warm-up show.
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The guy is a legend for what he has achieved
Really throwing the word legend around, aren't we?
By that standard:
I woke up this morning. Made it through the entire day without murdering anyone or shitting myself.
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Slash makes typo, nerd nerds out. Film at 11.
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there has been a huge amount of money spent for this release, and unless you sit in the shoes of several entities behind the project and legal teams, and understand all the facts, in which cannot be discussed in a forum, many of you are speculating and pointing fingers. we are simply trying to release an amazing product for fans to enjoy, like we've done many times in the past...
Either your firm or GNR management failed to get the required parties to sign off before starting promotion for your product. That lays at your feet or the GNR camp, no one else's. It's a ridiculous mistake to make either way. One would think it would be the first thing taken care of before anything else took place.
Blocking a bootleg of a show you have no intention of releasing under your own banner, for the sole reason that it's tangentially related to a product you wish to sell, is misguided at best and a PR boner of mammoth proportions at worst.
New Coke had a better roll-out than this.
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If Axl takes him so much in consideration, shouldn't we?
Let's extrapolate that logic, shall we?
If Axl hates Slash so much, shouldn't we?
If Axl hires his former maid to run his business affairs, shouldn't we?
If Axl never shows up anywhere on time, shouldn't we?
If Axl disappears for 10 years, shouldn't we?
If Axl gets fat, shouldn't we?
If Axl has a halloween tree, shouldn't we?
The answer to all of the above is no. Except maybe the halloween tree. Jury's still out on that one.
You totally missed the point. I didn't say Axl has a way with personal relationships, I didn't say Axl has a way with time, a way with his public image, a way with food,or holidays.
I said Axl has a way with finding good musicians to work with. He does. If he picked DJ to write and possibly produce the next album, all I'm saying is that perhaps we should trust his judgement, because although he has let us all down many times in the past, he never failed to bring top notch artists to his group. That's all. I'm not saying we should do everything Axl does, jesus...
I didn't totally miss the point. What about Axl's judgment over the past years shows a basis for blind faith in any facet of it?
DJ is at least 6th down on the depth chart of who Axl wanted to play guitar in his new band. And those are just the ones who he actually wound up working with. Who knows what other talented guitarists took a look at the circus and said "thanks, but no thanks".
I'm not going to trust Axl's judgment just because DJ wanted the gig and was available. I have eyes. I have ears. I'll trust in their opinion of Ashba before the judgment of a guy who may have only hired him because his top hat bears a likeness to someone else.
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This thread. This fucking thread.
We all got a little bit dumber today.
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The point is, Slash and VR DVDs with GNR songs have been released. So the theory of Slash doing this as a tit for tat with regards to DVD releases is moot. He may have other reasons, legitimate or otherwise, but the tit for tat thing re: DVD releases doesn't hold up.
We don't know that unless we know what happened with Slash's Made in Stoke DVD or if there was any shenanigans re: Slash's upcoming DVD. Again, you just found a story you like and are running with it.
I'm just saying these have been released, and we haven't heard anything about them being held up by Axl. Yes, the GNR songs are missing from the US version of Made in Stoke, but we've never heard anything about Axl being the issue.
And we haven't heard he's not the issue. For the umpteenth time, no one knows anything. Following a line of thinking because you like it best doesn't make it reality. I don't know what's difficult about this.
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It makes you wonder sometimes.
When Axl was blocking Slash's DVD from being released in the US a couple years back, don't you think he ever thought to himself that "you know what, he'll be able to do this to me in the future."
The only difference is that not having control of the back catalog is only an annoyance for Slash, where as for Axl is it is a mortal threat to his entire business model which is entirely related on milking the past.
As I said in the other thread, Karma has been kicking Axl's ass for 20 years now and is showing no signs of slowing up.
The guy can't get out of his own way it seems.
It's already been pointed out that it was Slash's record label that was waiting on international sales figures before deciding not to pay for the rights to release the DVD in the US. And Slash/VR have released multiple DVDs with GNR songs that Axl has not held up.
That came from a post on HTGTH, no? Forgive me while I wait on a more credible source.
It did, but it was pointed out that Axl could have blocked any of those DVDs but didn't, and their release points to that. Seems simple enough to me
Sure, simple enough if you just run with a story you like without knowing if it actually happened. Having something "pointed out" by a random HTGTH poster doesn't lend a story any more credibility than your average homeless guy on the street shouting about aliens.
The point is, Slash and VR DVDs with GNR songs have been released. So the theory of Slash doing this as a tit for tat with regards to DVD releases is moot. He may have other reasons, legitimate or otherwise, but the tit for tat thing re: DVD releases doesn't hold up.
We don't know that unless we know what happened with Slash's Made in Stoke DVD or if there was any shenanigans re: Slash's upcoming DVD. Again, you just found a story you like and are running with it.
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It makes you wonder sometimes.
When Axl was blocking Slash's DVD from being released in the US a couple years back, don't you think he ever thought to himself that "you know what, he'll be able to do this to me in the future."
The only difference is that not having control of the back catalog is only an annoyance for Slash, where as for Axl is it is a mortal threat to his entire business model which is entirely related on milking the past.
As I said in the other thread, Karma has been kicking Axl's ass for 20 years now and is showing no signs of slowing up.
The guy can't get out of his own way it seems.
It's already been pointed out that it was Slash's record label that was waiting on international sales figures before deciding not to pay for the rights to release the DVD in the US. And Slash/VR have released multiple DVDs with GNR songs that Axl has not held up.
That came from a post on HTGTH, no? Forgive me while I wait on a more credible source.
It did, but it was pointed out that Axl could have blocked any of those DVDs but didn't, and their release points to that. Seems simple enough to me
Sure, simple enough if you just run with a story you like without knowing if it actually happened. Having something "pointed out" by a random HTGTH poster doesn't lend a story any more credibility than your average homeless guy on the street shouting about aliens.
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It makes you wonder sometimes.
When Axl was blocking Slash's DVD from being released in the US a couple years back, don't you think he ever thought to himself that "you know what, he'll be able to do this to me in the future."
The only difference is that not having control of the back catalog is only an annoyance for Slash, where as for Axl is it is a mortal threat to his entire business model which is entirely related on milking the past.
As I said in the other thread, Karma has been kicking Axl's ass for 20 years now and is showing no signs of slowing up.
The guy can't get out of his own way it seems.
It's already been pointed out that it was Slash's record label that was waiting on international sales figures before deciding not to pay for the rights to release the DVD in the US. And Slash/VR have released multiple DVDs with GNR songs that Axl has not held up.
That came from a post on HTGTH, no? Forgive me while I wait on a more credible source.
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Slash has been accused of deliberately dragging his heels in relation to Appetite For Democracy (and perhaps other things that we are unaware of).
I like how you slid that in there.
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Incorrect. Slash has a publishing credit on all the old stuff.
Incorrect. He only gets mechanical royalties from the songs he did not write/co-write.
Check ASCAP. He's got publishing rights on all the old songs.
But the ASCAP credits are demarcated on Use Your Illusion, e.g, 'Rose', 'Slash', 'McKagan'. The song in question would be registered to the said songwriter. Why would, say, Slash have a publishing credit for a Rose composition?
The album credits are not the ASCAP credits. Again, check the site. It's there plain as day.
I honestly do not know what you are going on about. It is the role of bodies like the ASCAP to collect royalties from the songwriters.
On the ASCAP site, you can see the individual songwriting credits, which are different than the ones on the UYI albums you mentioned. Slash, for instance, is credited as a writer on songs like "November Rain", not just the Appetite songs. You can also see who owns the publishing. It's split between Black Frog, which is Axl's, and Guns N' Roses Music, which is the partnership of Axl/Slash/Duff. Ergo, Slash has a publishing stake in the UYI stuff and would need to sign off on those songs as well.
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Incorrect. Slash has a publishing credit on all the old stuff.
Incorrect. He only gets mechanical royalties from the songs he did not write/co-write.
Check ASCAP. He's got publishing rights on all the old songs.
But the ASCAP credits are demarcated on Use Your Illusion, e.g, 'Rose', 'Slash', 'McKagan'. The song in question would be registered to the said songwriter. Why would, say, Slash have a publishing credit for a Rose composition?
The album credits are not the ASCAP credits. Again, check the site. It's there plain as day.
Edit: Can't link directly to ASCAP's search results, but if anyone's so inclined to check it out: http://www.ascap.com
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Incorrect. Slash has a publishing credit on all the old stuff.
Incorrect. He only gets mechanical royalties from the songs he did not write/co-write.
Check ASCAP. He's got publishing rights on all the old songs.
Will Duff bring up Slash?
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What would you presume Duff's reaction to be? Mostly silent and listening, or will he say "you both fucked up and you both need to let it go".