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Wasn't Rio last year REALLY late? Like "middle of the night"? Or am I way off?

I thought so to.

I just did some quick googling and seems it ended about 4:30 AMish, so 1 or 1:30 AM start.

Wasn't Rio last year REALLY late? Like "middle of the night"? Or am I way off?

I say keep touring. Axl live is better than Axl in studio (it would be yeas before we saw him again). Just release the rest of CD sessions and keep touring before voice is totally lost. Axl's not getting any younger and if you think we have Mickey Mouse appearing now & then these days we'll be in Disney World in the not so distant future I'm afraid.

Normal Guns -

Most of the touring before the album was released was labeled CHINESE DEMOCRACY, while most of the touring since the album was released has not been labeled CHINESE DEMOCRACY.

So no, every tour has not been labeled 'Chinese Democracy' Tour. When promoters thought it was advantageous, they used the moniker. When they thought it wasn't advantageous, they stopped.

Unfortunately, simple minded people are often not going to be able to think beyond simple concepts. So, "The t-shirt said Chinese Democracy tour!" is a line of thinking that will be dominant, even though the facts clearly paint a very different picture.

Typically, a tour named after an album would be the tour for that album. However, every rule has an exception, and GNR has a long history of being the exception to the rule.

Furthermore, most comeback tours are not called the 'comeback' tour.

You say they've been touring the album for a decade, but what were they doing from 2002-2006? That's 40% of a decade right there and they were not touring. Out of the last ten years, maybe four years or so were spent touring.

It's very sad how difficult it is for some fans to objectively view the facts. If it makes you feel better to convince yourself that there's been a ten year tour for the new album, who am I to interfere? You're wrong. The facts don't support your premise. But if you get some sort of emotional release from the negativity, you're certainly entitled to be misinformed.

Username -

The album came out at the end of 2008. The tour started at the end of 2009. It stopped at the end of 2010. It restarted at the end of 2011 and appears it may run until the end of 2012. That is two years of touring for the release of the album. It's certainly unorthodox to have a year off in the middle, not to mention starting a year after the release of the record, but the fact remains that it'll end up being two years of touring for the record.

If you are unhappy with your life and need to criticize the band to feel better about your own circumstances, I can understand the need to lie to yourself and pretend the band has been touring for ten years straight promoting their new album. Don't let the facts get in the way of whatever will make you feel best. I support you.

Randy Lahey & Original -

If Axl just spent most of a decade in the studio making multiple records, I see no reason for him to rush into making even more records if he has another one he still wants to release. Ron, DJ can put their fingerprints on the material, but I see no reason for the next album to be scrapped just because the lineup has changed a bit. GNR is Axl Rose and whoever he chooses to play with. He spent considerable time working on multiple records and I hope he takes the time to work each of them for a reasonable amount of time.

I'd love to hear the CD session stuff. I'm just saying if people are waiting for this current line up to sit down and spend time together writing/recording it's gonna be years.

The funny thing is that the new music we want was already recorded with the Buckethead lineup. Ron will probably have to wait till that's toured before Axl considers going back in the studio to write and record with him and Frank.

Truly new music isn't gonna happen anytime soon. Unreleased CD tunes probably at some time.

I'm I the only that realises none of this makes any sense?

But then again I don't know why Axl has the crowd wait this long for some gigs anyway, so all of this is just strange

Because he can. It's a power trip...he could give a fuck how long people have to wait. Maybe his "manager" will straighten this all out.

Why would anyone think that someone is not going to leave? It's been a revolvong foor of musicians on/off for 20 years. Someone will leave. It's just who and when?

Even if they do start writing it'll take years for Axl to finish. It would probably literally take 5+ years IF this current bunch of guys all collaborated on a entirely new album (Not CD leftovers).

Wonder what Axl's new "manager" will do about this? I'm sure being the savvy negotiator she is she'll get it all worked out. She'll show those promoters who's boss. LOL

Typical Axl. And I love all the comments. That's basically the "real worlds" perception of Axl these days. Good humor.

Axl's "camp" LOL.

axl cares about beta. and he cares about what strangers say about him. oh, and he cares about slash. oh man, does he care about slash.

No shit. He has a definite Slash complex.

OP comes off as the crying baby. You're complaining about people complaining. Brilliant.

I wanna complain that your complaining that the OP is complaining. That's my complaint. And seriously- unless you are at every show it's basically a brand new fresh set list for the crowds they play before each night.

I'd rather get the classic "wrong section" reply tbh

I love when the "board police" try and pull that "wrong section". Gee thanks. Let's let the mods handle things....they seem to know what to move and when. Pretty sure they can handle it.

I don't even know this chick but why would anyone give anyone shit about being excited to meet Axl? Fuckiing wierd and typical of some people on here.

Don't be stupid!

And keep out of this thread if you can't see why someone, from a fans forum, meeting the bands lead singer, would not be excited and why also, others from that forum would not think it cool and have a laugh and joke about it. Get a grip.

No I'm sorry. I'm saying why would someone rip her or be mean. That's what I meant.

Really? Read it again and I cant see it.

If that's the case, I apolgise.

*EDIT* I've had a tough week, I'm so sorry man, i read that wrong!!

No I just wrote it wrong or in a way that I can see I come off as an ass. I meant why would someone care enough to care as in give her shit? I think it's great and am jealous.

I don't even know this chick but why would anyone give anyone shit about being excited to meet Axl? Fuckiing wierd and typical of some people on here.

Don't be stupid!

And keep out of this thread if you can't see why someone, from a fans forum, meeting the bands lead singer, would not be excited and why also, others from that forum would not think it cool and have a laugh and joke about it. Get a grip.

No I'm sorry. I'm saying why would someone rip her or be mean. That's what I meant.

I don't even know this chick but why would anyone give anyone shit about being excited to meet Axl? Fuckiing wierd and typical of some people on here.

people need to stop dissing Slash just because Axl does it.

I'm surprised the current Guns fans like the AFD songs and UYI songs.... Since Slash apparently sucks so bad (in their opinion).

If you want flawless everything (vocals, guitar, drum etc...) listen to a CD. But correct- vocally he's never gonna get back to the '87-'93 era. Too bad he wasted the '93-2000ish times. But atleast we still have Axl!

Less covers/jams and more GnR songs!

Wrong section to be posting about Slash. I wish you people would learn where the Former Gunners section is located.

Did you read my OP? I said if this should be moved then move it. We'll let the mods mod. Maybe "you people" should not try & be the "board police" and just trust the mods to handle....but thanks for your great input.

You go Jetboy! You are 100% right!

Axl Rose during the 1999 Kurt Loder interview- "CD will be 16-18 songs". Isn't CD only 14 songs? So I guess (gasp) Axl lied.

Old members section

+1

I said move this if deemed wrong section. Besides- you could say "old members section" for about 90% of threads. Basically every thread talks about a song off of AFD, or UYI or has a Slash reference or Duff or Bucket or Finck. I thought this was kinda an interesting and new interview regarding Slash on Axl. Let the mods moderate where threads should go...I think they can handle it.

I am finally getting to hear the full interview for the first time and have to say while there is nothing earth shattering Howard did cover a lot of ground and it was interersting to hear Slash tell the stories and give more details............

Slash lies,fact.

Do you know who this is? Doubt it unless you know history and are over 15.

Here is some sketchy and ominous facts concerning his demise,involving slash.

H o w D i d T o d d C r e w D i e ? J e t b o y a n d S l a s h V a r y .

Todd Crew

"Todd, all of twenty-one years old, died in my arms," said Slash, of Guns N' Roses.

Throughout his recently published biography, Slash describes Todd Crew, of Jetboy fame, as his drug addicted best friend--the best friend he fervently tried to protect, but in the end, could not keep away from the thrill of the rock star lifestyle.

Slash paints a picture of Todd as a pushy dope fiend, dragging him through the streets of New York to score heroin and other drugs. He explains that the day of Todd's death he had tried to thwart his drug use but was "overruled."He claims that, while later that night he did inject Todd with heroin, he only did so because he could "tell it wasn't strong at all" -- performing the injection with the intent of regulating how much heroin Todd was given.

Slash further goes on to say that Todd must have been shot up later by a fellow party go-er because "what I gave him wasn't strong enough to cause what happened."

However, Todd's former band mates and the members of a recently reunited Jetboy believe something entirely different happened that night.

I sat down with Jetboy who were close friends of Todd Crew, to get the band's opinion on the death of Todd, and the comments made by Slash about the rock band Jetboy.

Marion Pierson: In Slash's' biography he says he stayed with Todd while everyone left, and that "he died in his arms". I understand you were told different information?

Jetboy: Absolutely...Slash is a liar and he knows it. The few people that were there that night knows what really happened and that Slash is 100% full of shit. Todd OD'd twice that night, we were told. The first time Slash didn't even bother calling 911. After they revived him for a minute, everyone freaked out, being high on dope; and left (Slash included).

When they came back, Todd was dead. That's when Slash finally called 911 -- when it was too late. It's a perfect alibi: "I wasn't here. When I got back Todd was dead."

Slash only cared about saving his own ass from criminal charges; which is exactly what happened. Slash walked away with no repercussions.

MP: So you're saying that Slash killed Todd?

Jetboy: Todd was killing himself, but Slash definitely aided him in his demise. Just read what he wrote In his book. This is what we believe happened.

Todd, on arrival, was "fucking drunk," according to Slash, at his hotel at 7am. Todd had just broken up with his long time girl friend and was distraught.

Slash took him to a Western Union so he could get money to buy heroin.

Slash bought a bottle of Jim Beam (Todd's choice of booze), after Todd can't even stand up straight, and as he was falling down, drunk .

Slash shot Todd up with heroin after Todd was, according to Slash in his book, "in no state to be messing with drugs."

Slash and Todd went to the movies, where Slash smuggled in a case of beer; and where they continued to drink excessively.

Slash and Todd go back to the hotel where Slash proceeded to shoot Todd up with more heroin (Todd had been drinking for 18 hours straight).

Todd OD'd the first time, and Slash revived Todd temporarily; but Slash then panicked and left instead of calling 911.

Slash comes back to the hotel room, finds that Todd has overdosed again; and finally called 911, after it was too late. Now Slash has the perfect alibi "I wasn't here when it happened."

Jetboy: Slash claims in his book that he was the "only one who did everything possible to keep Todd alive" Well, If your doing everything you can to keep someone alive" the last thing you do is shoot them up with heroin especially if you know that they have been drinking for 18 hours straight. You don't have to be Dr. Drew to know that the combination of heroin with that level of alcohol is going to be bad news.

Slash even said Todd "was in no state to be messing with drugs," but yet Slash shot him up with heroin; and then abandoned him, when he overdosed; instead of calling 911, like he should have. We can't think of a more selfish act. Slash didn't care about anything but saving himself from criminal charges. Don't forget that Slash has a proven track record of freaking out in these types of the situations and not taking responsibility.

If you read the Heroin Diaries by Nikki Sixx, you will see that Slash freaks out and panics when Nikki Sixx OD' d, and did nothing to help. He was even screaming Todd's name while it happened. Bottom line: Slash is a coward, and it bothers us that Slash walked away with no repercussions; after enabling and providing drugs and alcohol to someone as he said was "in no state to be messing with drugs."

Slash knows the truth and he will have to live with the choices he made and the lies he told and is still telling to this day. He lied to us, he lied to the police, he lied to Todd's friends and family, and he lied to his fans in his book.

We think that Slash is in such denial that he probably believes his own "BS" because he has been telling these lies for so long. And to think he calls Todd all through his book, "my best friend'? That is more Bull Shit.

MP: I'm sure you've checked out Slash's' biography. Were you surprised when he labeled you guys "poseurs"?

Jetboy: "That's like the whole irony of everything when he says 'they [Jetboy] weren't as transparent' which is what I believe he says, because we had a singer with a 'Mohawk' the first thing that comes to mind is, 'Fuck you.'

That's not how it was back then and if you did feel that way then why did you do shows with us, and have both bands hang all the time. At the time, we backed each other up --the two bands were very close. The reason he said that in the book is because he wanted to put us down. It's what Slash has done ever since, because of the situation that happened with Todd; starting when Jetboy fired Todd, up to his passing away, which was six months after he was let go from Jetboy.

Wow. Interesting post. Does/has Axl ever "lied" in your opinion?

I like Stern but he ripped on gaga (which was hilarious and I love gaga) but then kissed her ass when she went on his show, if he managed to persuade Axl to go on I don't think he'd try and put him into a corner either.

Exactly- Howard would ask the questions that need to be asked...and he'd do it in a none ass hole way. He'd ask directly about what we all debate...actually it'd be great to have him ask Axl the exact same questions he asked Slash.