Madridista

Applying the term epic to multiple songs and solos on one album just cheapest the value of the word epic.

And this isn't an Iron Maiden topic!!!!!

Man, I totally agree with you. The number of times I saw the word "epic" written on this forum is astonishing! It makes me think: "What's the problem with me? So CD is one of the best rock albums ever made, with some of the best rock musics ever made, and after listening to it many times, I still can't find where's the 'epicness' of it?". And all of this has to do with hating the new band or is a simple matter of musical taste?

Other word that bothers me a lot and that is used without any responsability or sense of proportion is "genius". The number of geniuses out in the world simply smashes my brain.

This.

The number of people using the world EPIC, GENIUS, MASTERPIECE or... OMG THE BEST ALBUM EVER is baffling to me.

Where is the epicness on CD? Show me one epic solo on that album or one epic riff. And calm down, take your valium, I'm not saying I don't like CD

Wedding is amazing. I also like Balls to Picaso

Cool thread

1. Civil War

2. Nightrain

3. Rocket Queen

4. One in a million

5. Don't Cry (alt lyrics)

6. Breakdown

7. Coma

8. 14 years

9. Sweet Child o' mine

10. Estranged

Cool. Another Maiden fan

Well, you're right. I actually think Piece of Mind is better than Powerslave. I just meant that Powerslave turned Maiden into one the greatest heavy metal bands in the world. With Powerslave they went from average heavy metal band to epic band selling millions around the world. But yeah, music wise they have more consistent albums.

And as far as Bruce's solo stuff, I've always loved Accident of Birth. Is Skunkworks metal, rock, pop? Have never listened to it myself

So let me try and comprehend this whole DJ Slashba thing. Axl hates slash with a passion, called him a cancer, and can't even bring himself to enter the same room as slash yet he hired him because DJ reminds Axl and the fans of Slash. Wow. Only on this board, only on this board.

:rofl-lol: I know. This place is hilarious

Very few albums can be called a masterpiece, an example being Iron Maiden's Powerslave.

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I guess Skunkworks is a masterpiece?

Yeah, whatever you say.

what is it you say?

I'm ignoring your posts from now on. Just thought I'd let you know.

Good point, GHS. And yeah, that's why Slash is who he is and more than half of the world's population has no idea who Bumblefoot is.

Yeah, whatever you say.

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If you think ACDC is about the solos...

I first saw them in Caracas in 2010. They were scheduled to start at 9.00. They were between 3 1/2 and 4 hours late. Happy?

My favorite album ever

Ever?

What other albums do you like? What other bands?

the greatest hard rock album ever

Is CD even hard rock?

and even if it were, that's bold statement. Wouldn't you say that ACDC's Highway to hell is THE greatest hard rock album ever?

And even if Slash doesn't like ballads, he can't deny the fact that playing stuff like SCOM or the epic solos in Estranged and November Rain helped him become who he is today. I've always thought those songs set him apart from other guitarists.

I don't think your casual rock fan remembers Slash for Sucker Train Blues or Slither or Right Next Door to Hell, but for the ballads Axl wrote.

Hm, interesting point, Rustycage. But then again, Axl didn't want to do a raw and straightforward rock album. Read Slash's biography, Axl was the one that added all the synths and sound effects to the UYI albums. So CD is just the album he wanted to make. It's a very personal album if you see it that way.

If Slash were the one at the helm of GnR, we'd have gotten a straightforward rock album. But Axl is the one calling the shots. And since nobody challenges him or questions his decisions, CD is 101% an Axl Rose album.

We've gotten Slash's vision of what he wanted the next GN'R album to be with the first Snakepit album. CD is Axl's vision. Both are brilliant for very different reasons. I'm generally tolerant when it comes to music though given that I have 24,000 songs on my IPod and pretty much try to absorb everything I can from all sorts of music.

Now I'm also trying to be more tolerant when I listen to music.

But you know, I wonder why Axl and Slash couldn't find some middle ground when it came to writing the new album. Granted, UYI has its fair share of mullti-layered songs like Estranged and plenty of ballads like So Fine and two versions of Don't cry. As you know, Slash is not into ballads, but UYI also has plenty of straightforward rock songs like Back off bitch or YCBM or Shotgun blues.

If they had come to an agreement regarding the new album, it'd have had something to please everybody. Ballads and synths for Axl, rock songs for Slash.

Yeah, but Axl's age is not a problem. He's 50, not 80. Look at James Hetfield, Duff, Kerry King, Stever Harris. Do they look old to you?

Hm, interesting point, Rustycage. But then again, Axl didn't want to do a raw and straightforward rock album. Read Slash's biography, Axl was the one that added all the synths and sound effects to the UYI albums. So CD is just the album he wanted to make. It's a very personal album if you see it that way.

If Slash were the one at the helm of GnR, we'd have gotten a straightforward rock album. But Axl is the one calling the shots. And since nobody challenges him or questions his decisions, CD is 101% an Axl Rose album.

Maybe Slash should start by apologizing to Axl for walking out on him. You know, someone should take the first step. But I don't think it's gonna happen. This is just wishful thinking.

When I say masterpiece I mean it differently than most people. I don't mean like it's the best album ever, it's up there with this or that...It's not. It's not even close to the UYI albums or to anything the Beatles, Zep or the Stones ever put out. It's an odd, artistic album, it's something like 70s Rush or Queen, it's a masterpiece in that it's exactly what Axl wanted it to be. It's not an album which was made to be catchy or commercial or radio friendly like AFD is in many ways; It's not an album designed by committee like the UYIs are..It's a pure artistic statement, unsullied by nothing except the tinkering of it's creator. Masterpiece usually means like great or awesome or whatever. But I just mean it's so odd and out there that it just somehow works. Maybe it's one of those albums that is so bad it's actually good; I don't know. It's not a fun album, it's definitely not something to party to, it's not a classic, but it's something that I enjoy when I listen to it.

I see what you mean, but the highlighted part makes no sense to me.

Anyway, yeah.. it's not exactly a fun album. God knows I hated it the first time I listened to it. I couldn't believe what I was listening to. But you know, after hanging out here, and reading how much people defend it, I thought I might as well listen to it without being judgmental and really listen to it.

Now I like it. This I love, Sorry, Chinese Democracy, Catcher, Revenge, Street... all good songs. They do take some serious getting used to though

But you know, I'm not sure if I like it because it's Axl's voice and I like his voice. Or if I like it because I've listened to it so many times I'm just used to it now or if it's because the songs I like are actually good. It's confusing because I am a fan.

Now, though I like CD, I still think of the new Gnr as Axl & friends. I'm not trolling or anything and I won't take sides on the whole Axl vs Slash thing, 'cause I wasn't there. I've never met them and frankly I don't care. They're two mature old men and I don't have anything to do with them. I'm just a fan. I buy the music and listen to it. Period.

But to me GnR will always be Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven, or Gilby and Matt. I'm sorry. That's just the way I feel.

Which doesn't mean I don't like CD. But when I saw the new band onstage back in 2010 in South America, twice mind you, I didn't feel any special connection to them, like I would have if I'd seen the original lineup.

Don't bash me for stating my opinion, please. To me it was just a supporting band and Axl Rose onstage.

You know, Steve Harris was adamant at some point that Bruce would never return to Iron Maiden. Hell, Bruce even stopped making metal albums for a while and he bashed Maiden and Steve whenever he could. People thought a reunion was impossible because of all the bad blood between them.

Until they found themselves in the same room. According to the official Iron Maiden biography, all the hate was gone the minute they saw each other. They hugged and talked like old friends as if nothing had happened. Fast forward a few years, Iron Maiden has made 4 albums since the reunion.

My point is... what would happen if they all met in the same room? Would the feud disappear as if it'd never been there? Maybe that's all it'll take. For them to be in the same room and for them to talk.

Thanks for telling me what happened. I read that thread too. Just finished reading it.

Wow... I didn't Axl used to post here... does he still come here every now and then?

Having listened to it over and over again in the past few days, I've come to appreciate it more. I don't hate it anymore, it's grown on me. I like 11 out of its 14 songs. It's good, but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece. Very few albums can be called a masterpiece, an example being Metallica's Master of Puppets or Iron Maiden's Powerslave. I'm not even sure AFD is a masterpiece. I thought a masterpiece was a work of outstanding artistry and CD is far from being outstanding, IMO. It's very good, but outstanding, I'm not so sure. For CD to be a masterpiece I think it would've had to put GnR back there where it was in its heyday. You know, I'm not tupid, I know this is not 1992 anymore, but my point is, outside the die-hard GnR fanbase circle, most of us here, though I don't think of myself as a die-hard fan, nobody really cares about CD. It's sold for $3 online. That must mean something. When the UYI albums came out, people who didn't even listen to rock/metal knew what GnR was. And I know for a fact that a lot of people who didn't necessarily listen to rock did go to see GnR live in the 90's, 'cause everyone wanted to see THE BIGGEST BAND in the world. Hell, everybody listened to songs like Don't Cry and November Rain. CD has failed to do that for GnR. I know we don't care, 'cause we're faithful fans, and I'll say it again, now I like CD. But it's not a masterpiece.

The problem with threads like this is that it's all a matter of taste. It all boils down to what you like and as we all know, there's no accounting for taste.

Thanks

Madison? Axl's actions?

Threads being deleted here is a common thing or this only happens if a topic, theoretically, could annoy Axl? I'm just curious...

I don't agree with it, but gotta assume the mods kno what they're doing. Maybe they want to be careful considering Axl's actions towards Madison a few years back...

Other than that, there's not too many good reasons. The point of this forum is for discusssion and speculation, and us fans have a right to that. If Axl doesn't like it, he could always..IDk, RELEASE A NEW ALBUM MORE THAN ONCE EVERY 15 YEARS!!!!

I love Axl to death...the medias unnecessarily tough on him, and that's been beyond rediculous. The media needs to get a grip. But the fans are entitled and right about their actions and response towards him, and Axl cannot defend that point.

Point is, I trust the mods are making the right decisions. IMO some of these threads are funny. The dolphin thread shoulda stayed IMO, bc there's just not much else to discuss about this band. There's just the occasional show, no album, no new music, no videos, no pictures, no axl convos with the fans for 4 years now...nothing but the occasional show with no new songs, and little new to discuss. Not much around here has changed, and I love that the fans have at least tried to change that. The RRHOF was some of the best discussions I've seen in a while but./..to no surprise, Axl was set on dissapointing ppl, and insuring the current GNR name. The current band is phenominal, DJ ashba and bumblefoot owe nothing to slash. Fact. But he knew he would dissapoint ppl, and didn't care. Yeesh Billy Bailey!

Again I love the guy...but there's frustration with him for a reason...

And oh yea, the mods have some explainin to do. But I imagine they have a solid reason..if it's because Axl told them to though, then they're ruining this foirum and will be out of fans quicker than a porn nerd losing his virginity to jenna jameson.

Please explain. I've no idea what you're talking about

If you don't mind waiting 4 hours for a show to start, you have my deepest respect.

I have read many times over the years that Robin and Bucket never got on, but have never actually read any sort of accounts. Does anyone have any sources for this?

robin and bucket really didn't gel? well. from what i saw of the 2006 tour....robin and axl got along. as did robin and tommy. but i didn't notice robin and bucket having problems on stage either in 2001 or 2002

Even if they hadn't gotten along, it's not like they were gonna fight on stage for the whole world to see. But who knows what went on backstage