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20 hours ago, Sweersa said:

Even back in the CD-era, I preferred Bucket's playing to Bumblefoot. I feel the Bucket and Robin mixes of songs we have NITL lineup versions of are better overall because their playing and parts fit the songs better because they wrote the songs and were part of the initial creative process of them, and that makes sense because Slash is adding guitars to 20 year old songs. It's probably not even possible to get them to sound right. And the poor production doesn't make it any better. So far, I think Slash's best work is on Absurd. His solos seem to elevate that song from the leak with Bumblefoot and likely Bucket as well. 

Absurd is the best only track that Slash seemed to get with, the other ones that seemed obvious for him have been a bit shit. Just unfortunate Absurd is ruined with that vocal 

17 hours ago, Uncle Bob said:

it's not part of a bunch, it leaked. God knows how many songs were reworked, maybe it's part of a bunch with many great unheard songs. All of these probably were ready to go years ago but Axl just wouldn't do shit

I know, I meant rom the entirety of what we've heard, released and unreleased 

7 hours ago, alfa75 said:

“Largely connected” is kind of subjective. Perhaps has around 6 million views on YT, and some of the newer stuff has more Spotify streams than TWAT, PTU, Locomotive, CITR, Breakdown, Perfect crime, The Garden, etc. I mean HS is #38, which is not at all bad considering that between AFD and CD, they’ve released 78 songs. 

That comes with putting the songs in a permanent place in the set. Let's say PTU was in the set from 2016-present those numbers would look different.

I'm not saying these songs are universally disliked, I am saying they failed to capture people's attention. Hardskool and Perhaps were both the closest things to traditional gnr so people latched on to them... Does that make them great songs? I would say so but that is subjective. The numbers on the other hand are not anything to celebrate... Although I agree it's a little challenging to get specifics

13 hours ago, ZoSoRose said:

Monsters is by far the best Chinese Takeout song. It should have been released first or second with Hard Skool. 

Best of a bad bunch is not great praise though😄 but yeah I'd have done Hardskool, Monsters, Perhaps

4 hours ago, Sweersa said:

I understand your point, but let’s say if the next album was 12-14 songs, it could easily contain a mix of new songs, reworked CD songs, and unchanged CD songs. If it’s mixed and mastered properly, most casual fans are never going to know Robin played on X, Slash on Y, Bucket on Z, etc. Plus it would make things easier and cheaper to not have to record more and remix. I’m not saying the above is likely to happen, but it could. I don’t think the more than half of CD2 that hasn’t been officially released will be abandoned. The real question is what form is will take. Hopefully, we get the original mixes with the older lineups as some sort of bonus or anniversary release if they are not just put out as is. 

It could happen. However it just makes no commercial sense to not have Slash as the main lead guitar player on a GNR record. I mean Richard would be doing well to get featured on a song and he's still in the band! 

The only ONLY way we hear Richard/Bucket/Bumble/Robin parts in any logical situation is a bonus edition of the album which features alternative mixes. Even then, GNR are working hard to deflect the reality of where these songs come from, they want people to not know where and who wrote these songs. Releasing these songs with alternative members undermines that. 

It's a god damn shame Axl didn't just pull the trigger in 2014 and release the follow up to CDII, that was the last time they could be released and accepted IMO. The moment Slash came back all clocks went back to 0.

2 hours ago, alfa75 said:

I hope they’ve a new album with current lineup written and recorded, but I cannot see Axl abandoning this CD era songs and not get them out first, before anything “new”.

But he's got a lot of songs out already and they have all failed to set the world on fire... what is the objective of releasing music that is not even popular among the most hardcore of fans? if it's just to please himself then fine, but if it's in the hope that we might not get it straight away and with time we'll understand the genius of these tracks... that's pretty delusional😄

1 hour ago, bmus1 said:

I care more about when things were recorded rather than written, at least with GNR at this point. An album with 1999 vocals and 2024 vocals back to back is going to sound jarring, but if Axl's contributions to a future album were the less finished CD songs that they redo from the ground up... sure that's something. I think there's going to be traces of the CD era in everything the band does.

I'd agree with this. Old songs stripped apart and completely re-recorded is acceptable. Using 20+ yr old vocal takes and drums? it just doesn't work. Even if you didn't know the history, you can hear how separate the finished product sounds

7 hours ago, Sweersa said:

No!  

Hey I like those guys a lot (not as much as you🤣) and their contributions to CD, but the time has passed. It really had passed (years ago) by the time they started releasing these songs, but IF the songs were great then they could have been granted an extra lease on life... they were passable songs, some about as good as the less good GNR songs, others much worse. 

On 12/20/2023 at 10:20 PM, Seb91 said:

I think we're definitely heading to a point that a compilation album will be viable as we know Atlas and Monsters are viable (and the latter's already been done by Slash and Duff) so we'll be up to six after the next release. Just leaves four gaps to bring it to ten. If they're that pushed for material then Eye on You and/or State of Grace could be dusted off or just get Slash and Duff to work their magic on Oh My God. I mean, I'd even be up for a Slash/Duff version of Better (given DJ did a version of it back in the day) or another Chinese song. I'm hoping there are some unheard songs with Axl's vocals in the vault though. 

Given Tommy did two songs and Ron added stuff to the new OMG, it's mad to think that they could have put another album out around the 2010 era if they wanted to. HS, Absurd, Perhaps, The General, Ten Percenter, Going Down, Atlas, Monsters, OMG, State of Grace, Eye on You. Sure there's some filler there but they could have put some singles out at the least and this was the era that the Pumpkins and other bands were just putting singles out. 

At this point what would be the point of releasing a compilation album including all the songs they've released. 

In terms of effort vs reward it won't pay off, because the material has largely not connected with people. Hardskool and Perhaps were closest to getting a positive reaction upon release. And the idea of rehashing songs from the original CD album, I mean it's not a good idea. They would be slated "guns n roses are so out of ideas they reach back to 2008s flop for inspiration" that could be taken from any potential review. I don't consider Chinese a flop btw😄 

IF gnr are releasing an album at this point, it has to be material we haven't heard, it would ideally break away from the 97-08 sessions and be current gnr centred (no credits for bucket, robin, Paul, Tommy, Chris etc. just the current members) with maybe 2 songs from the previous era which would be seriously reworked and rearranged, stripped down entirely and completely re-recorded.

9 hours ago, Karice said:

That was BETA who posted that implication that you shouldn't always defend your child's mistakes? 😳 I assumed that was a random person who posted that. 😳 She seems to imply that she is NOT defending Fernando in this. That's rough when your own MOTHER is implying she's not defending you! 😳

I think it's the opposite. If she wasn't defending Fernando gnr would be taking a whole other different approach to this lawsuit and we would have heard of Fernando being possibly being removed as manager.

I think she posted this knowingly, possibly to stir the pot. But I doubt she believes her son is innocent of anything bad towards Kat. 

2 hours ago, Stay.Of.Execution said:

Beta posted this. Maybe she spanked Fernando

I know she didn't mean it the way we understand it, but there has to be a small part of her that wishes she didn't integrate her entire family into the Axl world. You can't give a young guy with zero experience a huge job title like manager of gnr and not expect him to go off the deep end. She should have grounded his ass😄

out of the demo/unreleased stuff

SOG

Atlas

Monsters - this could be a great song, but it needs new parts OR at the very least it needs a new chorus, that part stinks! completely off putting change that doesn't fit with the rest of the song and the vocal melody is so... well, it's just so blah! I'd actually remake Monsters and have the verse with regular Axl and then the other verse where he goes demon Axl, and build an entirely different song either side of each verse, this could be an interesting Mygnr project!

10 hours ago, Amir said:

Madagascar and Hard Skool have two verses at least, Perhaps and The General only really have one.

Yeah, the reason the Madagascar lyrics get a pass is that the vocal gets more interesting in terms of rhythm and layering, Perhaps/Hardskool etc. use the same phrasing so it feels like a loop.

Best to worst:

Better

This I Love

Street of dreams

There was a time

Madagascar

Shacklers

Sorry

Chinese

Prostitute

If The world

I.R.S

OMG (end of days soundtrack version)

Perhaps

Catcher

Scraped

Rhiad

HardSkool

Absurd

The General

13 hours ago, jacdaniel said:

Buckethead has lots of financial difficulties in the last few years. It would be really cool if Slash helped him get a pay check. One less yard sale to do 

I remember reading he was having health problems, hopefully he's alright now, although health problems in the US can really drop you in a financial hole... Hopefully he's well enough to climb out of it, Axl could certainly throw him a bone and sing on one of his songs. God knows he probably has Bucket CD era songs he could release... But that's going to amount to about $1 in his pocket with streaming revenues. Axl seems like the kinda guy that would help cover costs for someone like Bucket if he thought he was in need, even though they obviously split on not so great terms.

2 hours ago, Free Bird said:

Steven Adler would be huge 😎

At least a song for our boy!!

On 2/18/2024 at 9:31 AM, Gunner Gilby said:

Nah. I seriously doubt Axl is short of money. He got offered big money many times to reunite with Slash n Duff but resisted until the time was right.

I remember in the early 2010s there were plenty of rumours suggesting Axl wasn't as comfy as he used to be. It seems crazy considering he takes the biggest share from the gnr catalogue but he also seemed/seems to spend money like water. Like the story of the Knew York apartment. Add that together with touring for years with all the basic costs and then adding late fee penalties on a lot of these gigs. It all cuts down the bottom line. 

I don't think money was his only concern with the reunion though, absolutely helped her the deal done but I think he valued the chance to put the past in the past with Slash etc. 

I think right now he is incredibly wealthy, in 2014? Far from broke but not as secure as he (or his accounts) might have liked.

4 hours ago, Sweersa said:

I know, so hopefully he plays again on some songs. 

He wouldn't be my first choice of bluesy drummer

55 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

I enjoyed a handful of tracks from his 2010 solo album. Anastasia is also great, from one of his subsequent solo records if I'm not wrong. Of course it would be awesome if they had Axl guest sing on a song. Sebastian Bach as well. 

Josh Freese on drums of course would be amazing. And/or Brain. Matt too, and Steven for maybe one or two songs that are fitted to his style.

Maybe he can have Robin and/or Buckethead guest on a song if he wants to have multiple leads. 

He should hire Robin, Bucket and Bumble to re-records his parts. Really throw us through a loop😄

It'll be a proper disappointment if Axl isn't on this album, even if it's a cover song.

5 hours ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

I get that, but if that were really the issue, his voice would have gotten better from 2010-2014. I'm not talking about how long he can last onstage, but how his voice sounds.

I don't think there's a silver bullet issue explaining 201-2014. Why did he sound dramatically different in 2011 I have no idea, but I think it's a combination of things technique being one of things

18 minutes ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

Good point. Do we know when/if Axl stopped smoking? He was obviously never a smoker quite like Slash or Brian Johnson.

 

 

This is something I never understood. How does his voice get the most damage when he's not touring? Did it just take that long for the UYI tour damage to fully take effect? That's one way he is similar to Brian Johnson; the change in voice seems to happen between tours in their down time. Strange.

If you're not exercising your voice regularly the muscle weakens, so then when the tour comes around and you haven't sang a 2.5hr show in 6 months the muscles are not going to work the way they did. 

Some singers are freaks of nature and they can not tour for months and then hit the stage without even warming up... others have to work, Axl is on the latter side of things, and the guys that don't practice and warm up generally drop keys. Like Sammy Hagar, he sings his full show at home when he's off the road just to keep things oiled. Use it or lose it. What the hell do I know though, it's possible Axl sings every day off tour... it just doesn't like that.

No stadiums, no outdoor gigs, no huge world tour. Larger clubs to small arenas. And only a very limited Amount of dates, let's say 5. Shows done like the 2016 Troubadour, lottery for tickets, short notice for when they go on sale etc. Only thing I'd change is that more regular fans should be able to attend over celebrities looking to get spotted at an exclusive event.

I'm including Izzy material from UYI as well as material written at the same time as AFD.

Open with

Out ta get me

PC

Move to the city (with brass section)

Dust n bones

Think about you

SCOM

Don't damn me

It's so easy

Mr brownstone

Jungle

YCBM

Reckless

Shadow

14 years

RQ

Michelle

Don't cry

Anything goes

Used to love her

Whole lotta Rosie

Nightrain

1 hour ago, MaskingApathy said:

I've met Trev briefly once (at an SMKC show actually) and we have some mutual friends. I never felt any kind of smugness or anything like that. He's definitely trying to carve his own path now as a producer and guitarist.

SMKC seems to be the place to meet famous rockstar kids, that's where I met Wolf who seemed like a genuinely nice guy, but he also comes across exactly the same in interviews. I think he's less Hollywood. I sound like I'm ragging on Trev, I'm not! talented guy and hope he lands himself a great band to take him to the next level!

1 hour ago, MaskingApathy said:

I've met Trev briefly once (at an SMKC show actually) and we have some mutual friends. I never felt any kind of smugness or anything like that. He's definitely trying to carve his own path now as a producer and guitarist.

No personal experience with him, so I can only go off the interviews where I left with that impression. However I give him the benefit of the doubt (not that means much😄).

I imagine it was tough reading the bile at 18yrs of age, but also given who his dad is, it's insane he went in there and wasn't prepared for all possibilities; probably a good thing he did that it smartened him up to how things really are, and the name will only get you so far.

I'm not really a fan of his music, but he can obviously play. It's a tough road to follow when your dads been on every good record in the last 40 years. I'm not surprised there's a bit of a chip on his shoulder, just like Wolf VH. End of the day, talented guys and they took opportunities afforded to them from their family names... who wouldn't? 

The only reason I dislike some rockstar kids is when they have no humility. If you haven't achieved anything and you're walking around with an ego you need to shut the fuck up. Like I said, I'm not a fan of Trevs music, but at least he's had some success as a writer and some small bands and hasn't been out trying to be his dad. Obviously WVH is killing it and humble too. Trev to me seems a little smug, but maybe that's nerves when he's doing interviews?

On 9/13/2022 at 12:53 AM, Blackstar said:

The most telling sign of the deterioration is that he can't even sustain his voice on songs like Jungle. Some people believe that it's because of lack of effort and training (and generally of not taking care of his voice). However, considering that he can sing on key, and with a lot of power and control, in his lower register, it's clear to me that lack of practice is not the case; he just can't sing beyond his natural register any more. So it's not a situation comparable to Bon Jovi's who can't sing at all (although, to be fair, that's just based on the few videos of JBJ I've seen, since I don't follow him, so I'm not sure if they're representative of his current state).

I think believing that Axl still has it but doesn't bring it because he doesn't do what he needs to is just as "copium" as saying that he sounds good.

Currently I agree, he can't sing in his usual trademark pitches without sounding weak. But (assuming he is as fit as a fiddle) you would be incorrect in thinking that a vocal rehabilitation coach couldn't get Axls voice back to a stronger position and possibly even regain certain notes that he has lost (even at 62). I'm mostly talking about a more clean vocal approach here, not necessarily his trademark rasp... but if everything was strong then that would also improve.

You can't turn the clock back fully. However there are many cases of singers who have lost their voices or  have "sang bad" for years only to find their voices again. The magic ingredient there is desire. Those singers had the desire to regain their voices and got help to get it back. Does Axl believe his voice is as bad as people say? I think he realises that it isn't what it used to be, but I think (without any evidence beyond my ears) he accepts that it's just age and that by doing his warm up/down exercises he's doing everything that can be done to maintain his voice. I can say with complete certainty that if Axl worked with a vocal rehab coach for the rest of the year a each week, by the time we hear him next year he would be a totally different singer to the last few years with far greater control and power... again that's assuming  there is no health reason why his voice has degraded.