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Weird quote for Gilby to say: 1. how is Coma your favorite track if you only got to play it 3 times live? Also, who've wrote that clearly didn't listen to the live versions, which were quite on time in terms of live performance length; not even 11 minutes.. Still it's cool to see a back catalog song mentioned with the likes of Achilles Last Stand.

Hmm, I wonder if someone could take the 5.1 surround mix of Sympathy, and remove Paul Tobias's overdub from the left channel, just replace with riff he's playing while Slash is soloing. Kinda ruins the track for me 

1 hour ago, RussTCB said:

 

Fernando was asked directly, several times via text message and refused to confirm or deny. If it wasn't him, why not just say "that's not me"? 

Yeah, I know I would let people know that wasn't me. But, it seems strange to not also say, "hey that is me." 🤷 Weird people were dealing with 😂

1 hour ago, BreakDown2014 said:

This track is incredible. He really was wasting his time and talent in GN'R

Obviously because of the lack of production. But, I think he fit in the band very well. I wish Robin would have stayed for the 2010 tour and beyond. Bumble really came into his own during that tour. Too bad there wasn't more of it besides some spots on CD

I'm still not convinced that random user on Reddit is Fernando.. I've asked a couple of times, and no one has produced evidence it's him.. and not a troll. I could be wrong

7 hours ago, registra said:

The Live Era version of Dust N Bones is the best version anywhere I think. Axl's cut out of the mix up until the very end, so it's just Izzy singing on his own for most of it. Really awesome performance.

Go listen to the Stockholm '91 versions, Axl really adds a lot to the song, more so as they got more polished performing them. Easily the best two, I think, were from those shows. 

Does anyone think Axl over does it a tad bit on vocal overdubs at time? Like Dust N' Bones, Locomotive?

7 minutes ago, thomasmcole said:

Man, something really went wrong with Axl's voice after the 2016 gigs. We've seen stages before where his voice wasn't at its best (2012/2013), but it was never like this. Specifically the scream in KOHD, Madagascar, Jungle scream, Coma.

As fun as it was hearing Axl sing AC/DC like it was the 90s all over again, it has done some serious damage that he might never recover from.

It's all just accumulated damage. Since 2002 he's kept pushing his voice unnaturally. 

39 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

Some of these songs are really bad... Better, This I Love and Yesterdays stand out as the worst (so far). Frank stood out on SOYL too (not in a good way). There are plenty of moments where Axl's rasp sounds really forced and unpleasant, and he slurs the words.

Wichita Lineman, unsurprisingly, is one of the best songs from this show.

We shouldn't be surprised, there's maybe 6 tracks Axl sounds good on. Could be about 12, but they refuse to adjust playing to suit his voice

2 hours ago, Sydney Fan said:

I have a friend of mine, early 40s thats a huge metallica fan. He was a huge fan in high school and has stayed a fan of the band. He gives me so much shit as a gnr fan, because there has been zero from 93 to 08 and nothing since. No albums,no streaming of old gigs, nada. Compared to how many albums, and how upto date metallicas website is, it makes gnr look incompetant.

He's not wrong, what's more frustrating is GN'R went from huge amounts of success, to nothing; not because they couldn't write shit, there wasn't even a damn chance.. I would get be fine if they had gave it the ol' college try and 2 albums or so were meh. But, considering how much great material came individually, CD, Contraband, Izzy's first couple of solo albums, Slash's multiple solo projects, hell-even Pawnshop Guitars. They definitely could've released at least 1 more great album. What adds to it, is the huge back catalog of great live shows we'll never hear in soundboard. I've always argued GN'R is a better live band than in the studio, hell one of the best; but, they haven't given themselves the ability to showcase that. UYI DVD's suck. Live Era sucks. Most of the soundboards suck (I mean quality wise, looking at you Indiana, Rock in Rio, St. Louis). I just want a live GN'R concert website to buy soundboards from :'(

34 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

There are many quotes from Slash stating this:

Slash: When this first came up, Gilby, Duff, Matt and myself were rehearsing. It wasn’t a great rehearsal, I was just trying to get Guns together. I had weird thoughts about what was going on, and then I got a phone call from Axl (about) the fact that he didn’t wanna write with Gilby but we'd keep him on as a side guy. He’s adamant. […] So I took Gilby to dinner and said this is what's going on; I just don’t want you to hear it from somebody else. Then Gilby had a conversation with Axl that didn’t turn out well, then there was a fight with Duff and the next thing you know everything was f***ed up. [The Gazette, Jan. 26, 1995]

Slash: One night, after I came home from a rehearsal with Gilby, Matt and Duff – we were writing new songs - Axl called me on the phone and told me that he didn’t want to work with Gilby anymore. I thought, ‘Fuck...’ From the way he said it, I understood that he was serious. For some strange reason, Gilby didn’t get to write any songs with Guns N 'Roses – I mean, he wrote with me for my album, but he never had the opportunity to write a single thing for GN'R. Anyway, from the way Axl talked to me about it, I realised that there was nothing I could do to fix the situation. He had made his decision, and I don’t even know the reason that led him to it. So I went out to dinner with Gilby and told him what was going on, because I didn’t want him to find out from third parties. He had already recorded his solo album when the problem with Axl came up. [Popular 1 (Spain), February 1995]

Slash: The whole Guns N' Roses situation with Gilby wasn't as cut and dry as it seems. He wasn't really fired officially. Axl just didn't wanna write with him. He never even got a chance to write with us. And so, I told Gilby that that was going on. So he didn't hear it from somewhere else. Because if you know, in this business, leaks are like crazy. And it's just best to be upfront and honest about thing. So I told him what was going on. Then he had words with Axl and then in turn he had words with Duff. And that sort of cemented the, you know, the relationship, the departure. Whatever you wanna call it. [FTZ FM, April 20, 1995]

Slash: Anyway, so as far as Gilby is concerned, I wouldn’t expect him to come back even, like I said, if he was asked, only because his feelings were hurt. Axl didn’t want to write with him and I had to go and tell Gilby myself that this was going on, so he didn’t hear it, you know, in the field or something or turned into some sort of weird rumor. So I went and told him and then – well, I think the thing that really itched in stone Gilby’s dismissal from Guns was the fact that he had words with Duff and he had words with Axl, and that sort of cemented the fact that he wasn’t in the band. But Axl still thinks, like he does with everybody, like, “Well, maybe we’ll have three guitar players, or maybe we’ll do this or maybe we’ll do that,” or “Gilby can come out live,” but whatever. And I come from a different point of view altogether: that you get the guy that fits naturally, you write together, he plays on the record and he does the tour. It’s not like we get a bunch of hired Guns just because Axl thinks that me and him are the only things that are really important in Guns N’ Roses, you know. I don’t think - it has always been a band to me, you know, so we’ll see what happens. [Unknown orignal source, 1995; Aired on Alice Cooper's Vintage Vault, 2020]  

In one of the interviews Slash said that he "sort of got along" with Axl over Gilby:

Slash: What happened was we were rehearsing and Gilby was really out of it one day. The morale of the band, we were all trying to keep it together and he was the odd man out that day. I was complaining and then Axl called me that same night and said he didn't want to work with Gilby anymore for a lot of different reasons. In a way I sort of went along with it, at least Axl thought I was going along with it because I had my own complaints from that night at rehearsal. This was about a year ago. […] [The dismissal of Gilby] was never etched in stone, but it was etched in Axl's mind. I knew there was no argument. Axl probably thought I was totally behind it. I went to talk to Gilby because I didn't want him to hear anything on the street. I told him what was going on, and everything was in a state of flux for a while. [Metal Edge, April 1995]

There is also this from Doug Goldstein:

Goldstein: We respected [Izzy's] decision, but needed to quickly find a replacement for the impending dates. We were able to find Gilby Clarke. Gilby toured with us to complete the "Illusions" tour. Shortly thereafter Axl and Gilby spoke about what Axl wanted to try next. After Izzy's departure Axl felt Guns could use a little help in the writing department. Axl thought the addition of another guitar player (#3) would help the situation. Unhappy with this, Gilby stated "I don't want to be in Molly Hatchet" and quit. [Newsweek, January 2000]

Axl himself had made it clear from the first moment Gilby was hired that they had gotten him for the tour but weren't sure if they would write with him:

Axl: Right now we have a guitar player named Gilby Clarke. And he’s been in Hollywood about as long as us. And, you know, he’s doing a really good job. But I don’t know about farther than the touring. […] I don’t know about the next album, you know. We’re still talking with other people and stuff as far as that goes. [Rockline, November 27, 1991]

And he said the same in late 1992:

Axl: We don't know if we're gonna be writing with Gilby or somebody else. We know we want to play with Gilby, but we're not sure about the writing. [Hit Parader, June 1993; interview from December 1992]

You seem to be a master of GN'R historiography. Thanks for the quotes. I feel bad for Gilby, great player, Axl seemingly didn't want anything besides touring from him. Not that he's Izzy, but there probably aren't even any demos with him writing with Guns. Why ruin a good thing without even giving it a shot? They didn't do the same with Matt

I figure this is Axls iem, does anyone know enough about the subject to know why bootleggers don't take from multiple IEMs or why don't they target someone like Slash? Does he even wear IEMs while performing? I don't know. 

plenty of others I could've added, but don't want to take up 100 video slots on a post 

15 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

No, I don't think so. They weren't involved in anything after AFD. Lies (the "new" songs) was mixed by the band and Clink, I assume.

Probably they mixed Civil War and KOHD themselves.

Does that suggest that the compilation that Civil War is on might have a different mix than UYI II? 

26 minutes ago, thunderram said:

 

I've wanted to create a complete LIVE version of the UYI albums. Problem is, they didn't play every song live and a couple of them are hard to come by. A decent sounding version, anyway.

They played Locomotive at the Shoreline venue I went to in 1991, except it was played at the 1st show the night before I saw them! I haven't been able to download a good copy of it (I know it's on youtube though).

 

 

It's cool you selected a song from a show I went to. Great show, while it lasted!

Wow! Must've been wild. Show sounds pretty great! I wonder if they ever found the guy who hit Duff.. hopefully they didn't kill him. Really good performance. I'd kill to have gone to a UYI show

1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

It's funny how it is only Guns N' Roses who seem to have a problem with these incredibly respected production people, Ezrin and so forth. Bob Clearmountain worked on Tattoo You: enough said! 

I'm not even sure Rick Rubin could be productive with this band. 

12 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said:

Question for all the Izzy fans: if Izzy did come back full time, and accepted whatever money they offered, do you think Fortus would quit/be fired? I think they'd almost definitely go back to being a 3-guitar band. Would that be 'worth it' or would they be too diluted?

Like Sau3r, I think they'd go to a three guitar lineup. I think that would be great, Slash has great riffs under a lot of his solos which could get played, and that could open up to a really heavy sound. God i really really really realllllllly hope this happens. I need to hear Dust N' Bones live, in person. Plus, Fortus seems like the most adaptable person, along with Duff, he could mesh well with almost any lineup no problem

I've always suggested that this band is a huge tale of wasted opportunities. It's as simple as that. Appetite lineup, UYI lineup, the first two Nu-GNR line ups. I think they're alll suuuuuuper talented. But the chemistry, it just didn't turn into productivity. Each lineup could have produced a lot of phenomenal music. I would have loved to live in a timeline where GN'R existed with the original Appetite lineup, hell add Gilby for touring too, recorded a few more albums, and in their spare time Axl writes CD, VR exists with Matt, Duff, Slash; Izzy writes his solo stuff, Axl still leads ACDC. GNR takes a break, and after Axl tours CD in 2002-2008, GNR gets back together in 2010 and becomes as big as the rolling stones 🤷

I remember reading about these years ago, maybe they are the CD leaks to the UYI albums, more cut down and raw sounding. Maybe. Although, from the articles it seems like quite the opposite. It seems like Bob just wasn't going in the same direction as the band. Also, who the hell mixed KOHD for days of thunder? 

19 hours ago, Tom-Ass said:

So good

If you remember, how did Axl sound live in person in 2002, versus NITL? Ive enjoyed both NITL I've seen. Did his 2002 voice translate better live?

Well, now for something completely different; i had an interesting conversation with a friend: what genre of music is GN'R a best fit in? I think most people would just say rock if they only casually know the band. I think it's a weird band to try and label. Yeah, a lot of songs feel like hard rock. But what about Coma, Perfect Crime, Locomotive, DTJ, You Could Be Mine? They're not really a metal band, but i wouldn't say they're just hard rock like old Aerosmith. 

They feel heavier to me than a band like Motley Crue, but not like a band like Pantera or Sepultura or Metallica. Hard rock just feels inadequate a label i guess 🤷

1 hour ago, Gordon Comstock said:

'86-93

Disc 1:
1. Welcome To The Jungle (Marquee June 28 1987)
2. Shadow Of Your Love (Marquee June 22 1987)
3. It's So Easy (Vancouver 1988)
4. Mr. Brownstone (Melbourne 1988)
5. Don't Cry (Ritz 1987)
6. Rocket Queen (w/ It Tastes Good intro, Seattle 1988)
7. Anything Goes (Toronto 1987)
8. Think About You ('Streetscene' show, LA September 21 1986)
9. Knockin' On Heavens Door (Newcastle 1987)
10. Nice Boys (Marquee June 22 1987)
11. Nightrain (Tokyo 1988)

Disc 2:
1. Pretty Tied Up (Oklahoma 1992)
2. Bad Apples (Pantages Theatre 1991)
3. Breakdown (New York December 13 1991)
4. You Ain't The First (w/ Shannon Hoon) (Ritz 1991)
5. Dead Flowers (Argentina 1993)
6. The Garden (Hartford 1993)
7. Garden Of Eden (Texas 1993)
8. You're Crazy (w/ Sebastian Bach) (Inglewood August 3 1991)
9. Locomotive (New York December 13 1991)
10. Reckless Life (Boston 1993)
11. Coma (Chicago 1992)

Disc 3:
1. Perfect Crime (Philadelphia June 13 1991)
2. You Could Be Mine (Turin 1992)
3. Dust N' Bones (Stockholm 1991)
4. Yesterdays (New York December 10 1991)
5. Live And Let Die (Wembley 1991)
6. Double Talkin' Jive (Birmingham 1991)
7. Piano Solo / It's Alright (Argentina 1992)
8. November Rain (Saskatoon 1993)
9. Civil War (Paris 1992)
10. Sweet Child O' Mine (w/ Since I Don't Have You intro, Winnipeg 1993)
11. Estranged (Oklahoma 1992)
12. Paradise City (final Argentina 1993 show)

Good god, that is one hell of a setlist sir. Is there audio of the Pantages performance of Bad Apples? I didn't think there was. You went a similar route to what i did, 1 disc for the classic lineup, 2 discs for the UYI lineup. I'll have to check out some of your picks, like Yesterdays in New York, DTJ in Alabama, Winnepeg SCOM. 

14 hours ago, IrishgunnerII said:

 I think they should have left the rest of GNR lies off the locked and loaded boxset if they were going to leave one in a million off. I'm in no way defending the lyrics at all and the specific terms used shouldn't be condoned but neither should they be ignored. The world isn't all sunshine and rainbows and yes bands released songs with very questionable lyrics and themes. I see they left I used to love her on which in a way isn't a great message if taken literally. 

My point is that the way things are going nothing pre 2016 with anything even remotely questionable will be rewritten. You don't learn from history in general if you sanitise it. You don't have to condone music or comedy or whatever it was from the past that was not PC but don't pretend it didnt happen.

ive no idea if I'm taking shit or not but I needed to say that.

As someone with a bachelor's in history, studying to be a teacher and historian; not that this would make my opinion more valid than the next, i think it was justified leaving the track off for a couple of reasons.

1. Mainly i think Axl Rose wrote that song as a "vicarious" sort of frame story. If you want to argue the song is racist, i think you could make terrific points, i just seem to think Axl Rose hasn't really displayed a level of racism that seems congruent with the song, or homophobia for that matter: i could be wrong though.

BUT, his defense of that song, from what i could ascertain, was more about free speech to say the words in the song, rather than saying 

"This is a song about how some white trash person from Indiana feels". Rather than the song being an expose into the thoughts of some late '80s white dude, it's galvanized people to pointing towards Axl as a piece of shit, or people ardently defending Axl; let's face it, Axl is, by definition a pretty astonishing person.

2. Even at the height of the band it wasn't performed but what, once or twice? It's not really essential, which isn't a good reason, but pragmatically i think everyone is just 'fine' with the boxset; or more precisely, that's the least of our problems with it. Would you, or most GN'R fans you know listen to that song without warning or candidly around other people? Just curious.

3. The song is still on Spotify, Apple music, YouTube, YouTubes official music app etc. Not really being scrubed from history. I'm kinda sad the song is written the way it is, i like the structure, and chorus lyrics, and Slash's solo

Soo been doing a lot of Nu-GNR watching the last few days

Civil War (The Joint 2011)

You're Crazy (House of Blues 2012)

Sailing (Wembley 2006)

There Was A Time (NY 2006) absolutely bonkers performance, realllllllly good. Robin is fantastic, but i think it'd be a toss up between this one and Osaka 2009

If the World (Osaka 2009) the jam at the end is crazy

Sorry (Paris 2010) wish they recorded sorry with more stripped down vocals, like the live version

Nightrain (Tokyo 2009) Axl goes crazy singing in a higher octave at the beginning

Chinese Democracy (Pittsburg 2002)

Street of dreams/the blues (either Boston 2002 or Ireland 2010) hard to pick

Better (rock am ring 2006)

Nice Boys (2010 with Duff, can't remember which show it was)

Really love the Nu-GNR era, just wish there was more consistency. Then again, that could be said about the entire damn history of this band