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The General's outro gets better everytime I listen to it. The way Axl's high notes blend with Slash's playing is one of the greatest and heaviest GN'R moments
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I love how close Evader got to Monsters' bridge. He must be he thrilled with these songs!
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Vocals have a similar treatment than the Perhaps vocals. Same clipping issues, hope they get it solved on the final release
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There's a sudden change of tone during Monster's outro guitar solo in 4:03. To my ears it sounds like Richard takes over the solo from that moment on
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3 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:
For people saying it's not Slash in The General's ending, that's 100% him. Not only it's his tone, but also he plays fast all the time live, and those licks sound nothing like Bucket's style.
+1. That's some beautiful work by Slash. Hope we get to hear it live even if Axl sings the high parts an octave lower
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5 minutes ago, Arnuld said:
Monsters has got to be soul monster. The way Axl goes for it on the bridge is exactly what he described in those chats in 2008.
Indeed! Hope we get some kind of confirmation someday that Monsters is indeed Soul Monster
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Slash's guitar work is superb. So good I didn't even feel like I need to hear the Finck/Buckethead solo. UYI vibes
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3 minutes ago, Lies They Tell said:
These are obviously real. There's no question about it. Monsters sounds exactly like the song on the cellphone leak. I wish these would be just one song though. I don't know why they're separate. They sound great when played back to back. They're not as good as separate songs. Together they are epic.
This would be a perfect Halloween song. They're idiots if they're waiting for December to release this. Halloween would be the perfect timing.
My exact thoughts! As just one song it's great. Maybe they're going to release Monsters as a single and The General and Monsters will be like an extended version only on vinyl or whatever
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Atlas Shrugged
Absurd
Perhaps
Going Down
Oh my God
State of Grace
Hardskool
The General
Monsters
Eye on you (Bonus Track)
The new CD II album I'll be playing on repeat all weekend. Thanks GN'R (and fuck you Fernando)
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I think they're to be treated as just one song, The General and Monsters. To listen so fresh and new is aMAZING
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omg this is so close to evader's version XDDD
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3 minutes ago, NeonKinight said:
Maybe SOG Would come in the Sean Beavan era...that is, 98/99.
The final demo we have in RM 3 is from 2000, But with no Buckethead or Brain yet...Axl clearly hadn't finished the lyrics yet, and final part of the song does remember the general....the sinister guitar riff and the half steps you can hear on "when do you think you can tell me..."
Brain says it was a different jam in 2001...and in 2002 we can especulate that the song received Marco Beltrami's orchestras, and in 2003 there was an interview saying the name The General for the first time...
Am I saying that they are the same song? not at all....but maybe SOG was left aside and EVOLVED TO the general...Again, this is just pure speculation from my side and everyone's guesses is as good as mine..
You pretty much put into words my exact thoughts on this matter, would be incredible to hear that guitar riff on The General
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On 10/22/2023 at 5:51 PM, doakes said:
I don’t recall the lead guitar work from those demos but was recently thinking about the odds of Axl’s guitar on the other demos.
it was probably Sebastian Bach or an ex-member who described Axl’s rhythm guitar tone, in a very gnarly way— Made me wonder if he’s playing on State of Grace, Dummy or others
Axl playing guitar on 'Maddy"live in Rio 2001, He wrote all the gtr parts, including lead gtr. I recorded him playing lots of awesome guitar parts back then, I don't think people know what an original and cool guitar player he really is,....those were fun times"
Quote from Chris Pitman. Cheers!
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On 10/22/2023 at 6:10 PM, Voodoochild said:
I’m positive it’s Axl on both. Because of what you said and how he said - that his guitar part in TWAT was kinda buried in the mix, but that was like a lead that he wrote. It seems like those were only Axls idea of what he wanted, that later got replaced by Bucket (and I guess Robin too Madagascar).
Now I'm 100% positive too. Thanks!
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There's some very amateur sounding lead guitar stuff on the Rough MIxes CD #1 versions of TWAT and Madagascar...
¿Has anyone else though about who could it be? My guess is either Paul Tobias or Axl himself, since Axl even played some pieces of Madagascar in RIR 2001 and is listed with "Guitar" credits on the CD booklet too for both of those songs.
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On 10/16/2023 at 3:10 PM, GoodOlJohnnyK said:
Robin has a nice solo on This I Love and Better. Buckethead has a nice solo on TWAT.
Besides that, I have no desire to hear these two on a Guns N' Roses song ever again. Just a bunch of fast notes and bleep-blorp nonsense.
Robin Finck's Perhaps solo might be the most overrated solo in Guns N' Roses fandom. It's the most pedestrian, any-session-player-could've-come-up-with-this solo I'd ever heard.
Lol
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22 minutes ago, colonizedmind said:
What? You think they've miss sold us and my vinyls gonna arrive with a remastered version of cornshucker side R?
Haha. I guess the question is if The General's coming out the 27th on streaming platforms.
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Listening to Evader's version is always a great way to build up expectations... It's hard to believe we're only 12 days away (probably) from listening to The General
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The word "General" sounds very close to GN'R. The General is the ultimate GN'R song...
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3 hours ago, Caedo said:
I don't think it's an artistic choice. He has a naturally low speaking voice which has deepened as he's aged. The verses in Perhaps and Hardskool are similar singing styles and in both he just can't reach the same notes in his natural voice as when he recorded the vocals so has to slip in and out of falsetto. Same kind of thing in Nightrain when he hits the "I can tell you honey" bit and slips from chest voice into a weak falsetto
I'm 100% with you on this. I actually said the same thing on another thread and some people insist that it's just Axl's choice to sing in falsetto in those parts and he could perfectly sing those parts with his chest voice.
On the first few live performances of Perhaps he tried attempting some of the hey heys and lines with his chest voice and he failed several times, leading to the typical cracks in his voice. I'm glad he finally found the way to sing it properly even if it means using falsetto.
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Would be a great "Eye on You" single cover art....
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6 hours ago, Cosmo said:
That was the best Perhaps I saw so far. He still does unnecessary mickey on the verses and still sings the part that I think duff and melissa should handle on the chorus, but still the best one so far. There was even some sign of rasp in the chorus, wasn't there?
I don't think the mickey on the verses is "unnecesary". He tried doing it with his chest voice and failed several times, there's no need to keep pushing it if his voice won't let him ...
THE GENERAL - MONSTERS - Official Discussion Thread. NO LINKS OR ASKING FOR LINKS
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A little summary I made of what we expected vs what we got:
- The orchestral intro: It seems like the orchestral intro is a blend from Beltrami's work on both songs, since they share a similar motif. Most of it is from The General, though. It also isn't an intro like some people expected, but an orchestral arrangement that can be heard throughout the song.
- The cellphone clip: unfortunately I only have on my computer a brief extract of the cellphone recording, but it's 100% Monsters. Would be cool to know if both songs were played back to back on the Viena party.
- Instrumental: The General isn't an instrumental track like some speculated.
- They're both reworked songs with Slash and Duff: Both songs definitely have Slash and Duff all over it it. Maybe we will never know if there's any guitar work from Robin, Paul or Bucket left on the final versions (like Robin's famous bend on Perhaps).
- Evader's version: IMO he was damn close on the screaming Axl vocals part. The rest of his version suffered from the confusion of thinking the cellphone clip was The General instead of Monsters but was a very cool guess. One of my first reactions after hearing both songs was "Evader got pretty damn close".
- ¿Is it an "epic" like we expected from Slash's comments?: This is obviously very subjective but if you take both songs as a whole it definitely fits my definition of "epic".
- Child abuse lyrics on The General: Yes.
- Bach's comments on The General: The chorus has the slow grinding riff with high piercing vocals but it's impossible to understand how this could be a sequel to Estranged.
- Soul Monster's bridge: The vocals definitely fit the description Axl gave on the 2008 chats.
- ¿A reworked State of Grace?: IMO Monsters and State of Grace share a similar vibe but are definitely not the same song. This means State of Grace could still be released someday and make a great trilogy along with The General and Monsters (eventhough it will probably never get an official release).
- Mysterious soundcheck: the BPM from Frank's beat don's seem to match Monster nor The General my conclusion is that they were definitely not playing any of these 2 songs.