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1 hour ago, ludurigan said:

you can count on the fingers of your hand how many times axl was late for a show during appetite tour. so much so that these occasions became famous

on uyi tour he was late in like a LOT of shows, it became the norm

its a completely different situation

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also on 1987 and 1988 GNR had a manager that looked for the bands interest first and somehow helped to keep axl in line

then axl fired niven

and that doug fellow was nothing more than a yes-man ready to do everything that axl wanted him to -- and more if needed

we all know what happened on the next 20 years when axl took over the band and did as he pleased

What do you think would happen when you've got someone who can't handle the stress of being a nobody suddenly have 100x the stress of being in the spotlight as part of the biggest band of the world (whose band and life is falling apart behind the scenes)? They get 100x worse.

Is showing up hours late or skipping shows okay? My opinion is no. You should do what you say you are going to do. Is it understandable? Yes. I can understand it.

I find the song to have no redeeming value.

I must add, to be fair, that I have only listened to the song once and I cannot swear that I listened to it all the way to the end. I have no plans at this point to listen to it again. Maybe once I quit wincing at the thought of it.

I am glad, however, that there are people out there who have some kind of appreciate for it.

On 3/15/2017 at 11:09 PM, Bono said:

Celebrity says something nice about Axl and GnR fans praise said celebrity. Had celebrity said meh the reunion isn't really his thing and he'd prefer AC/DC to end then everyone who would bash said celebrity saying they are a piece of shit who's opinions aren't needed or wanted.  This thread is so typical. 

And of course these same statements show up in every thread that is based on a comment someone makes about Axl. I hate to tell you this, but the world does not revolve around Axl. People have opinions on other celebrities that have no or little relation to Guns n' Roses. When these celebrities are mentioned in a thread (or have a topic started about them) fans will share these opinions with others.

I am not see very many people suddenly praising Nikki Sixx here. There are some comments that it was cool of him to say something nice. Many comments randomly talking about him. A few comments mentioning whether or not they like his music. And some mentioning they are not interested in what he has to say. Not exactly everyone falling over themselves to love him because he talked nice about Axl.

On 3/15/2017 at 1:33 AM, bigpoop said:

Okay but that's just the lyrics. Musically, This I Love is extremely repetitive. The sing-songy verse melody in particular. Plus the whole thing seems to drone on and on for-fucking-ever. Terrible song.

I am pretty easy when it comes to music. I can put up with slightly less than enjoyable lyrics if the music is good and I can put up with slightly less than enjoyable music for good lyrics. However really bad or really repetitive lyrics are pretty much the one thing that can turn me off a song. Fall to Pieces starts great. The end really drags it down for me so I rarely listen to it all the way through if I have the option.

I can get it if someone can completely tune out the words of a song and simply enjoy the music that carries it, I am not one of those people. 

17 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

What a fucked up family. No shit going on a TV show for your addiction would be a terrible idea. Fuck Hollywood, man, its no secret all this shit is made to attract ratings. Steven and the other "celebrity addicts" were mere tools for the network.... duh. That being said, it is sad that anyone has to go through this shit. I totally believe his mom is manipulating what happened during the reunion and his lack of participation to reel him into promoting her shitty book.

Steven is a basket case, we all know that. His mom and family seem crazy, and I'm sure they're all part of the problem as to why he grew up the way he did. This book shouldn't exist imo, and it has really convenient timing considering what band is in the spotlight again. Axl was sort of right in his chat when he brought up that anything involving Steven could be a problem and it would involve his mother. Seems like that is exactly what happened. I STILL think Steven should have been given a chance to participate more in the reunion. It is genuinely all he seemed to want in terms of his career, and it isn't because of the fame and shit. He just lives and breathes for the AfD days. He's the high school football star that never did anything else. Its sad, but true. He speaks his mind in interviews (for better or worse) and is highly unpredictable. Its more genuine than NDAs and lawyer shit, but I guess you can see why those things are necessary for the multi-million dollar, corporate extravaganza that is NITL. All that bullshit aside, he was part of AfD so he should have been given more of a chance. I would suspect something dumb happened leading up to The Troubadour show, but Izzy's few statements continue to make me feel like it is just money and personal bullshit. As I keep saying, if he fucked up then Frank would have been right there to keep the machine going.

Its Steven fucking Adler, he's a huge part of GNR's fucked up lore and I wish him the best. As great as NITL is for me, I still maintain that its a damn shame they couldn't do the reunion completely right. Ah well, eat it up. This tour will probably go well into 2018 with the same setlist and then that'll be it (maybe with the occasional, nostalgia based, arena trek). A great, but sort of half-assed, finish to the GNR story. Hope I'm wrong.

I suppose it might depend on what the band see this as. Fans are wanting a happy story book ending and the band may not want an ending at all. They could be just moving on to the next stage of their life. Hit it until you fall over the cliff.

If they are planning on this being the end then hopefully they give us the storybook ending. If they are just living the next day of their lives with no plans then hopefully a near future day will include Steven and Izzy.

If my ticket said I was seeing the Rolling Stones then I would say I saw the Rolling Stones.

Oh no! He is planning on taking over all the waterways and oceans too! He really has this world domination thing planned out.

I haven't paid much attention to Sixx AM but I heard one of their songs today and it was a pretty weird experience. I felt like I could really like the song but it just fell short. It was just slightly lacking in ways I couldn't quite put a finger on. 

Music usually catches my attention and makes me listen or it doesn't. I never had a "this is an okay song, but could have been a really good one" before.

8 hours ago, Blackstar said:

I had in mind this exact 1987   interview when I said that it was important to him to be acknowledged as an artist all along. He even had predicted his future in a way in that interview.

He got his Queen II, didn't he?

36 minutes ago, RONIN said:

Even if they had gotten over that hurdle and found a way to move the GnR sound forward, like you said, it seems like Axl had some serious hubris and wanted to prove he could do what his peers like Patton, Cobain, Reznor, etc were doing and way overreaching beyond his abilities. Maybe he wanted his indie cred back -- maybe he wanted to be accepted as an artist like the rest of these bands...who knows, but his direction for the band doesn't seem authentic to me in hindsight.

I don't think it was contrived. I think Axl was kind of like a collector. He heard bits and pieces in music he liked then immediately wanted to incorporated it into his sound.

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It wouldn't have worked for the simple reason that Guns N Roses means different things to all the members of the band clearly. For Slash, GnR is defined by Paradise City. Doubt Axl or even Duff would agree with that, let alone Izzy. 

I agree with this. I was trying to find a specific Axl quote and listened to part of a phone interview from '87. My god Axl was dedicated to his art. In hindsight you could see why this was not going to work out in the long term. Axl was about no compromise. The only way I could possibly see the band not falling apart was if they had stayed close when they were touring Appetite and Axl didn't drift away from the rest of the band and started chasing rabbits while they drugged themselves stupid. Even then it is questionable, but at least they'd have a chance to influence him to look in a direction they found more palatable.

6 hours ago, Darkenchantress said:

There's a video around of Izzy singing Brownstone, the quality is terrible though but I like the way he sings it . Anyway I actually like that he didn't want to live of the GnR songs and he had just been creating music all these years.

 

I love Mr. Brownstone. It is almost always in my top 5 GNR songs. It is cool to hear Izzy's take on it. Maybe this was more what he had in mind when it was written. 

I prefer Mr. Brownstone when the lyrics are sang with a swing, though. It is what makes me love it so much.

2 hours ago, Billsfan said:

Fight, riot, whatever. Is accuracy or lack of accuracy really worth calling for Kurt's head?  

I wasn't calling for his head, but now that you give me the idea... off with his head! 
I expect for your to compliance on completing this task to be swift and effective.

Really, though, I was just trying to determine where what he says fits into the other things I've learned and how much weight to give it when it goes up on the scale against other things I learn. Like I don't know that I'd give it any more weight than anyone else quoted during the time who didn't know Axl.

I like this turn in the topic. It is giving me more and more things to think about.

Deep analytical dissecting and philosophizing is probably my way of dehumanizing. I always want to know what makes people tick. I want to know what they are thinking and why they do what they do. I want to know and understand their view of the world. Most of all I want to know peoples thoughts on things. I want to learn. I probably poke and prod and try to dissect to an uncomfortable extent.

51 minutes ago, Archtop said:

So why does Axl get more shit than Slash, (I personally think Axl currently looks better) perhaps it does have a lot to do with his attitude, Axl was clearly trying to present an image, build a persona it obviously mattered to him how he looked but always came across to me as contrived.  I think this is largely why he gets more shit, because people know he cares about how he looks, he has shown he worries about how people perceive him, to pick on somebodies weakness is the easiest form of attack.

I kind of think part of Axl's problem is he didn't have an image. Slash clearly had an image and he (mostly) stuck to it, especially as they got older. He seamlessly emphasized the cool laid-back,  leather pants and top hat part of his image when moving away from the druggy image. Cool is always popular.

Axl didn't have an image. Bandana and leather pants only lasted a short amount of time. It was ass-less chapter and girl's blouses before that. There were kilts and leggings and little skimpy shorts. Then later on it was baggy clothes and cornrows. Part of Axl's problem was he went with whatever flight of fancy that took him. If a fan became introduced during the Appetite run they were expecting bandana's and leather pants. It is amusing to see how many people reject Gun's glam band origins. Or if they do acknowledge it say it was only Axl who was being glammy. All of them were  wearing make up and girl's blouses. Izzy was inspired by Hanoi Rocks. It was what they needed to do to get a foot hold. Sorry... got distracted. Back to my point. Fans who were introduced to the Appetite period wanted the leather pants and bandana. Skimpy little shorts running around like a mad demon is a huge switch from the bandana leather clad snake dancer. So yeah, not an easy pill to swallow if you are into music as much for the image it brings as the music. People don't like their expectations to be contradicted. That gap between expectation and what you get causes discomfort which then generally turns into anger. Angry and unhappy people like to hurt other to make themselves feel better and as you said, the best way to hurt someone is to attack them where they are sensitive.

Not only that some people just like to pick on people who they perceive as weak. I guess it makes them feel better about themselves. Axl is clearly sensitive and therefore "weak" in some people's eyes.

7 hours ago, Andy14 said:

This all makes me think why is this so? Do or did those men feel violated by Axl's look. Do they feel that admitting they like Axl means admitting they like a guy with girly features which can question their sexuality and masculinity? Let me tell you my opinion. 25 years ago Axl was absolutely beautiful, with his facial features, hair, body....you can say you didn't like the way he looked, but you can't say he was ugly. Plus his stage performance and clothes. I feel that now when he's older and doesn't look the way he used to is somehow satisfying for a certain group of men. Now they can say "omg, look at how horrible he looks", and point out his flaws, like hair, gut and so. It may make them feel better about ourselves, that one the perfectly looking guy is aging and not looking perfect anymore. It's not a secret that when people talk about flaws of others they hide their own flaws (which may be the same).

I think part of it is expectation not being met. People like to put people and things into categories and boxes and when they don't actually fit in the box it causes discomfort. For each person it could be a different thing that bothers them. People have ideas on how people should and should not behave. Then, of course, you also have to factor in clannish behavior. You may have done something to hurt my clan/cause so I have to actively dislike you (whether it is real or imagined). Example. A fan of working man rock may think that Guns n' Roses made their favorite type of rock music have a much harder hill to climb in respectability as people are not a fan of rock at all will clump them all together.

I also agree humans do have a tendency to try to devalue others to make ourselves or things we like seem more valuable.

There were other things I wanted to say, but I can't remember what they were.

10 minutes ago, tsinindy said:

Exactly....thank you for making my point.  What Axl says and what actually happens are often quite different.  Just bc he says something doesn't make it clear that is actually what he wants or intends...or at the very least comes with a volume of disclaimers that are left unsaid.

The guy you quoted was technically correct (the best kind of correct!). So I had to point it out. However, I also had to add my little bit of editorial in as well.

He said he was working on new music. And he said he wanted to put out new music so I will believe him.  I just also know that it may not work out for him and it may not always be what he wants. Things happen. People change their minds.

18 minutes ago, tsinindy said:

Uh no....lol, he didn't actually.

"I do want to put out more music with Guns n' Roses " (China Exchange Q&A)

I'd take that as a statement that he wants to release music. I wouldn't hold my breath though. He also wanted to release the follow up to CD and it never came out.

1 hour ago, RussTCB said:

The best way I can describe the "weird feeling" is to just have you watch Patience. I don't know if the mix was better on the other side of The Palace, where the video was shot from, but you couldn't hear anyone but Robin on my side of the stage. I can only guess that that's what pissed Axl off. The sound mix was good to great up til then so maybe he was having in ear problems the whole night or something. I really have no clue and it's always bugged me to be honest. I just wish I knew what exactly was wrong to get the show cut off.

 

Whatever it was that was going on, screwing up Patience probably didn't help his mood any.

When I listened to the video I noticed the crowd sounded different than I am used to when I watch other live shows. I was wondering if was the location of the recording or maybe the acoustics of the building, but it sounds it wasn't just a weird affect- the crowd did sound different.

1 hour ago, RussTCB said:

I'll say this: I never felt that way at the time, but sometimes I look back at things like Tokyo and cringe a little. Do I think he was one pissed off dude and showing it through his performance and rants? Yes. Do I think he was a person who wanted us expand out musical horizons? No. I'm not doubting that he was a fan of many different types of music, but the NWA & Nirvana gear comes off a little disingenuous to me when I look back at times. 
 

I am curious why you think it is disingenuous. Could you expand on this?

Patience was great... I  didn't even notice he got lost in the song until the barely noticeable pause. I had to start it from the top again to realize he had skipped a couple verses in the beginning. 

26 minutes ago, Gunspride6 said:

Ideally: Make changes to the setlist (shows are getting samey), rehearse some more, maybe if we were lucky start thinking about new material

Realistically: Nothing, apart from Slash who might do some stuff with Myles.

 

As far as I am aware (and I might be remembering wrong) the next SMCK album is about 90% done and just needs Slash to record his parts. I hope he gets to it among whatever else he is doing during the down time.

5 minutes ago, Top-Hatted One said:

Eric Blair has done so many fantastic interviews with some of my favorites. I always look forward to them. His taste and knowledge is very diverse unlike say Eddie Trunk

He gives the question and stays out of the way while they talk. I think that is the way interviews should go. If you have a follow up question wait until they are done then ask it. Don't interrupt the person you are interviewing to add your own input or try to put words into their mouths.

2 hours ago, Darkenchantress said:

Is Axl's loyalty everybody talks about a thing of the present? Cause he sure didn't have that loyalty to his best friend back in '91. 

He was considered extremely loyal in the past as well. Tracii was one of the people who remarked on in 99.  He's extremely loyal until he is not. 

Apparently there is a point when he decides someone isn't reciprocating the loyalty and drops them. But who knows what his motivations are or what goes on in his head? 

After reading other comments I am starting to wonder if the idea was planted in my brain by this forum. It just kind of stuck there until more comments about Axl's looks came up along with having read comments on an article about a female political figure.

There has been a lot of lovey discussion for me to mull over. Later, though. I have too big of a headache to think much today.

3 hours ago, Rocketqueen76 said:

 

Isn't it though? Or am I missing something? 

I am not sure?

My comment was an exploratory thought trying to figure out and think through why Axl is constantly criticize for his looks. Not supporting nor defending it. 

5 hours ago, killuridols said:

Yeah. That makes sense.

I also don't remember Axl saying such thing or even talking in a VMA's thing, except for the 1992 one, but as we said before, dates don't match.

I just wanted to give Mrs. Adler the benefit of the doubt but I guess she's just mistaken an interview with an awards show.

Like everyone I am guessing she was talking about the "Famous Last Words" interview. I've searched, but I cannot find when it aired. There was an article that cited a quote as coming from the interview with a date of the interview being August 31, 1990. I am not sure if that was when the interview was taped or when it aired. Maybe they aired the interview or parts of it before/during/after the MTV awards show in September?

That might have been when she personally might have first learned of it. Or at least was no longer able to deny it. Steven was fired in July, so that would only have been two or so months so it isn't a crazy long amount of time.

13 minutes ago, swishtz said:

oops, Sydney & Melbourne ?

He already thanked them. It was after the oopsie in Melbourne.