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I am not sure I get the question about Axl representing them in court. Their lawyers represented them in court.

The individual band members would have been called in to testify in the case. It was a civil suit against them. They wouldn't exactly have a choice. 

38 minutes ago, Funky.Monkey said:

Here is an older but longer interview, he talks about playing in GN'R.  He says he hates tour travel, getting on planes, but this was done before the reunion.

 

I am glad you posted that. I can't say that I have ever been all that curious about Frank, but I found the video to be interesting.

I finally got a chance to catch up and watch what I missed. I have to say that I really liked what they are doing with the video boards on some of the songs. I really liked it when board at the back of the stage was split into three parts and showing different angles of the band. I also loved it when they had a band shot at a high transparency and another graphic displaying behind it (or however they did it). In my opinion they should do more of this.

The most amusing shot that played on the side stage screens was the one at the end of KOHD. The wide view of the stage showed Slash at the back of the stage playing with Fortus. The angle showing on the screens made it look like Slash was creeping over Axl's shoulder.

Here is a bad, fuzzy screen shot of it. It is much more amusing when it is moving and Slashes head keeps popping up over Axl's shoulder.

35 minutes ago, Asia said:

And, sorry, regardless of how mistreated Adler felt and how much he had or didn't have the right to feel mistreated, what he's doing now is stupid and pathetic and he's proving himself an unreliable, untrustworthy idiot with this. And don't anyone try to convince me he has the right to feel bad and speak about it. Really? What if you feel not exactly cool with how your friends or boss or collegues at work have treated you? Do you immediately go to all social media and wine about it to all of their followers and everyone who knows them? I don't think so... Why? Because this is lame behavior.

Eh... while I personally wouldn't do it I can't blame someone else for not biting their tongue about getting a rotten deal (in their view).

On the other hand I also wouldn't expect the people they are talking about to accept them back with open arms either.

This a good time for me to leave. Facebook feeds never work out well for my computer (the sound is always distorted and awful ) and I've got things to do today.

I hope Seeker doesn't get cut! Enjoy all.

5 hours ago, bigpoop said:

And what is the big paranoia about misinterpretation/misquoting about anyway?  They're a rock band. What's the big deal? Every other band seems to be able to cope with the press.

Axl hated being misconstrued by the media back in the 90s. He pretty much avoids media as much as possible now.

Not saying they shouldn't do media, just pointing out why they may not want to deal with that mess when they don't have to.

5 hours ago, Padme said:

What? If you have the opportunity to listen a whole interview but you decide to read some headline elsewhere, that's up to you. You can't blame Eddie Trunk nor the media in general

I don't think you are getting what I am saying.

Many, many people base their opinions off of sound bites and headlines. They react to things off of what they decide happened from listening to sound bites and headlines. They then spread that news to others as though it were fact. Those friends of theirs will just repeat it as "I heard..." and keep spreading that misinformation to others. It happens all the time with news every single day. Just pick a subject and do a google search on news about it. You can watch the subject morph over time as the blogs and lesser news site play telephone.

Hell the articles were spreading Axl comment about Izzy in the interview as though he said that was the reason Izzy wasn't involved with the reunion tour when he was replying on why he didn't know if Izzy would be involved in the future or not.

I doubt it would affect GNR as much as it does... say politics or stories about crime, but they have to make the decision on whether or not they want to deal with the potential fallout.

5 hours ago, Wagszilla said:

Axl essentially quit singing in the mid-90s. That alone is going to have effects on your vocal performance. 

Then he started singing again but only in the studio and without a vocal coach. His voice on the 2001-2002 tour is likely due to these factors. There's also rumors of vocal surgery between 2004-2006.

In 2006 he came roaring back, yes, but he also effectively blew his voice on multiple occasions. These performances, while certainly the closest proxy to his halcyon days also were characterized by high-peaks and low valleys until the final leg of the 2006 tour when his fitness caught up. His vocals were pretty solid in 2007 in Mexico and Japan even though he started to put on weight again as a counter.

TL;DR: Yes, weight and cardiovascular shape plays a role but it's overly reductive to say that's the cause and we don't really know for sure.

So easy, even an internet commenter can do it!

Voice-over narrator voice for the win! 

Sorry! Starting the line "Then he started singing again, but only in the studio" I started hearing the voice-narrator voice you hear in documenaries as I read your comment. It was great!

22 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

It would be a great feature if periscope let you choose audio-only for a more stable connection.

At the beginning of this tour when shows had a lot of streams I'd watch the better picture stream with the tab muted (right click the tab and mute it) and have the better sounding stream run in the background.

Now I just run whatever stream is available in the background and hang out on mygnr.

7 hours ago, Padme said:

 

If people don't bother to listen that's their problem. It is unfair to say the media twisted things around when you can listen or watch a whole interview.

Yes... it is Guns n' Roses problem if the majority of the people don't listen to what they actually say and instead go off of attention seeking headlines.

I listened to the whole thing. I wish I did not.

I cannot stand that man. At all. I will never listen to anything else he does. There are very, very few people who can get under my skin and irritate me as much as Mohr was doing by the end of that show. I do not get irritated very easily. At first it was an uncomfortable feeling because it felt like I was listening into someone's therapy session. By the end it wasn't so much a therapy session as someone pretending to be a therapist so he could tell his captives how they really feel and what is really going on deep down inside of them without letting them express themselves at all. It seemed to me that he pretty much kept pressing until they agreed with him or if they stuck by their guns and didn't agree he'd change what he said so they'd agree and say that was what he was saying all a long.

I feel dirty just for having listened to it.

Hopefully Deanna, Steven and everyone else who listened to it don't feel the same as me and feel enlightened or whatever.

3 hours ago, Padme said:

I think using words like "the media" is a generalization. Look Steven didn't do any interview with Rolling Stone Magazing or with Mick Wall. He did either phone or in studio interviews on radio shows. You can listen to every word he says. I don't see how that can be twisted. Axl and Duff did a T.V. interview. Although it was previously recorded you saw Axl fucking up the answer about Izzy and Duff dodging the question about an album. Duff changed the subject to his teen-age daughters and how the youth these days listen music. That's not really answering the question. Well it was their own fault. Nobody can blame the t.v. show. The thing is Axl and Duff couldn't answer a few things. Because it wouldn't look nice to say they didn't want to split the loot with Izzy. And they didn't want to say they are not making any album because it is a lot more profitable to keep the tour going.

Sure you will listen to the interview and yes I will listen to the interview but the majority of people? They'll just read the attention grabbing headline for the article that is based on the interview that shows up on their favourite news feed. People who like or hate GnR may actually go one step farther and click on the headline and read it. Not many will go listen to the interview itself.

I'd bet that there are people on this forum who have not listened to it.

3 minutes ago, tsinindy said:

You didn't read what I said.  I didn't say they should talk to the media specifically to refute what others said...I simply said I feel that is cowardly that they don't do press.  That's just my opinion, and you can disagree with all you want.  No problem with that.  Just don't tell me you disagree then bastardize what I said.

Your comment was in a long line of comments about how they should talk to the media. I was replying to all of them as well as your comment. Let me edit it so it is only a response to what you said:

The media likes to make big deals out of nothing. They lose nuance and can completely twist what someone meant when they start tossing quotes up out of context and copying each others stories. They could get more exposure by doing a bunch of media dates, but is more exposure worth what it would do to the real people dynamics that are involved? That is something they would have to evaluated and decide for themselves as it is themselves who are affected.

To one person someone is a coward, to another that person is being judicious. To one person someone is a being brave, to another that person is stupid.

9 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

I know that I just congratulated him in the other thread, where he first talked about this stuff - but that was before the realisation kicked in that he was going sell this story each time he was interviewed. I know he's saying he's not bitter, and he loves those guys; but to me it sounds like he's just a little bit pissed. 

Adler is one of those guys who just can't help himself. I always think back on the RNRHOF moment, where Adler is jumping around and Slash turns around and puts his hand on him - the jist being "be cool". 

Steven is a great drummer, and for the shows he was asked to attend he should have played more than 1 or 2 songs, but going out on a publicity tour and spilling the beans is definitely the worst plan. I don't know, but it's quite possible that these shows were a tester for Adler "If he does Ok, maybe we'll have do some more on our next tour" and I'm sure the thought crossed Axls mind that "If he starts to act up, get his mother involved, or start mouthing off to me, or to the press, I don't want him around" Just judging the way he talked about Steven in the chats, I think Axl would be a bit more guarded with him and more so than any other member be very reluctant to jump into anything too concrete with him. I know they've all sued each other though, so that shouldn't really be an issue; but that was the impression I got when I read the chats.

Of course he is bitter and angry. Why wouldn't he be? He said he dreamed of being part of Guns n' Roses again since he had been kicked out of the band. However, being bitter and angry are useless emotions and do not improve your quality of life. It is clear that he is taking self-improvement seriously and doing what he can to make himself and his life better. He has a ways to go, but doesn't everyone?

8 hours ago, bigpoop said:

Over in over again you see in these threads, 'Axl's not gonna like this', 'how's Axl gonna feel?'   Who gives a fuck. Why does everybody have to live their life or adjust their behavior according to what pleases Axl?  

 

 Steven is an original member of this band.  He has every right to say his piece however he wants. And that's all he's doing.  Relating the way he experienced all this. 

 

As far as him saying he was cut off. How can anyone doubt that? There's video of the first time they cut his second song and you can see clear as day he's shocked. He wouldn't look like that if it had been agreed to beforehand. 

It is people dealing with reality.

Not to say that Axl won't do things he doesn't like or doesn't feel great about. He will and has in the past, but Axl is pretty much the gatekeeper when it comes to Guns n' Roses. Everything must pass by his judgement.

Izzy, Duff, Slash and Steven set the precedent for this many long years ago when they didn't stand up for each other and what they wanted in the face of whatever Axl's visions were. They'd just bend to what Axl wanted and when it finally got to much for them they left (sans Steven).

They let Axl run all over them when they were equal partners in the band. Now Axl owns the name of the band. It isn't crazy to wonder what Axl thinks/feels about things. He is the gatekeeper. It may be crazy to assume we know or can guess what goes on in his head.

8 hours ago, Stress Fracture said:

The thing is, Steven lives in a fantasy world where he's always the good guy.

What actually happened. Slash and Duff rejoined GNR. Steven was invited to join them as a guest. He accepted the invite and then shat on them to promote his mother's book.

I feel this is simplified and harsh.

He accepted the invite because it was his dream to be with GnR again. He is talking about GnR when he should be promoting his mother's book because GnR means a lot to him and people ask him about it. He is not all happy and positive about his experience because it wasn't all positive. The invite turned out not to be what he dreamed it to be.

1 hour ago, tsinindy said:

Trust me, I used to be and in a way still understand and feel they have a right to stick with the silent approach.

But, it is kinda cowardly isn't it?  So yah, I called them pussies, for that reason.   Who gives a fuck about "Get in the Ring"?

I disagree. I mean, I want them to talk to the media and tell all because I have an insatiable curiosity, but I disagree with all the comments that GnR should be refuting what Izzy is saying on twitter or what Steven is saying to the media. All it will turn into is an eyeroll worthy Twitter Battle or Media War. The media likes to make big deals out of nothing. They lose nuance and can completely twist what someone meant when they start tossing quotes up out of context and copying each others stories. I think it could only hurt them as it would drag this stuff out and make it into something that it is not. Right now only a very few music blogs report on GnR's doings and fan forums who care about it. 

Sure they could get more exposure with it, but is more exposure worth what it would do to the real people dynamics that are involved? That is something they would have to evaluated and decide for themselves as it is themselves who are affected.

To one person someone is a coward, to another that person is being judicious. To one person someone is a being brave, to another that person is stupid.

33 minutes ago, Darkenchantress said:

This. And "he is emotionally unstable". Oh, cause the singer of this band is actually the most emotionally stable person in the world.  But we know how this works, such things only apply to Steven and Izzy, not Axl. He is stable, he never did fuck up any shows, he never shit talked any friends (hello cancer Slash) ... No. 

Hate to tell you this, but bringing up all of Axl's potential flaws doesn't exactly make a case for other people who may potentially have those same flaws. It would actually make a stronger case against them. Not if there is any chance for things to succeed.

Fair or not, you can not have Guns n' Roses without Axl.

12 minutes ago, Cory Trevor said:

axls a raiders fan?

Always has been. It is one of his major failings.

6 minutes ago, AlexC said:

Even if they are jamming and writing songs on the road that doesn't mean anything. That's just something that musicians do. If you're jamming in rehearsal, inevitably you're gonna instinctively write stuff. But actually going into a studio and recording material and then Axl actually putting lyrics to it and tracking vocals is a whole lot different. I do think it'll happen as I legitimately think Axl and all of them do want to do it but it won't be for a while.

Duff, Slash, Fortus, Frank, Melissa will come out of this with VRII.

Dizzy will, like always, stick with Axl.

20 minutes ago, wasted said:

That's the thing with Izzy. I agree he's not the sound of GNR but he wrote a lot more than people think. And I think his influence really guided the rock n roll feel of AFD/Lies.

Izzy wrote the cords to SCOM, that's the tune. Izzy wrote Nightrain, OTGM, Brownstone, Anything goes, Patience, Used to love her, Move to the city, You could be Mine, Don't Cry, RNDTH, DustnBones, Perfect Crime, YouAin't the first, Bad obsession, DTJ, 14 years, Pretty tied Up, Bad apples (?). Maybe some mistakes there. I think Izzy brought these songs in, not fully done like they are but without him they don't exist. But they aren't Guns until Slash and Axl worked on them, changing them significantly. Ok, the whole band of brothers working in perfect union, massages, oil, the whole orgy of togetherness. 

But there's also a lot that don't seem to figure Izzy so much. I've never heard a Jungle or Civil War or Coma from Izzy. I've heard Out ta Get Me like Ball or Perfect Crime like Parasite or UTLH like Hell song. Literally every Izzy solo album could have been used for Guns. 

I kind of see how AFD and CD could be similar in being the focused melting pot albums but then UYI is a more diverse explosion, that could be what they have now, in that they have lots of different styles and themes and old and new stuff. Izzy has possibly been replaced writing wise by Tobias, Dizzy, Finck, Fortus, Tommy. The other 3rd will be Slash/Duff new songs, then Axl's material. It could really be that Physical G remixed by Trent Reznor. 

I think part of the problem is that some people say things like "Izzy wrote Mr. Brownstone/Don't Cry". It can be completely misunderstood. It looks like you are saying that Izzy wrote those songs all by himself when he wrote Mr. Brownstone with Slash and Don't Cry with Axl. You might mean that he was an influential/big part of the writing of those songs, but it doesn't really come across that way. Instead it looks like the others are being minimized to promote Izzy's part in the song writing. That then gets under people's skin who will then reply in a way makes people who are fans of Izzy feel that Izzy is being marginalized and the cycle just keeps on going round and round.

I would not doubt that they are writing music. However that translating in to something that will ever be released is another thing entirely.

I am not someone who says that there will never be another album, but I sure wouldn't hold my breath.

6 minutes ago, gunsfanoldie said:

Yeah, I have to imagine its been deleted cause seriously I've searched low and high for it. No idea why that one was deleted and not this fart tennis one which is very easy to find. Sad, cause that other one was so perfect and so hilarious. Just nailed Steven's "I love you guys", Axl having this obsession with Izzy. This has a bit of that but not nearly as much as the other. Hoping maybe someone has it somewhere.

Those videos above me are close but not quite it. I found them, but the first is just fart tennis again and the other was the same characters but one I'd never seen. The one I'm talking about was exactly the same as the one I posted, on the phone, split screen, but it was a different discussion.

I don't believe I've seen it. Now I am curious.

But obsession with Izzy? Wouldn't an obsession with Slash would be more accurate?

14 minutes ago, Billsfan said:

"If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks...it's a duck". You're basically just saying that just because I wasn't there when Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman were murdered, doesn't mean Oj Simpson did it. Well guess what? There's enough evidence to prove that he did. The fact that Duff and Slash aren't allowed to do interviews, which is a PROVEN FACT, doesn't help their case. Seriously, how can you actually argue that? Why should they not do interviews, what could one of them possibly say that would unravel this entire threeunion cash grab?!?!

No,  I am saying that it looks like it has at least two legs and may or may not have feathers and you are jumping to conclusions and calling it a duck. It could be any other kind of bird on earth, a person wearing a feather scarf or even a Irish Setter from a straight on front view so we don't even see the other four legs.

Finally had time to go listen to the streams. I think Axl sounded good.

No he doesn't sound godly like he did back in the late 80s/early 90s. He just sounded good.

I can see how you could hate it if you preferred the time period when he sounded like he swallowed a bunch of glass and rasped the shit out of everything. However, he hits the notes and unless he is very prominent in the mix his voice blends well with the rest of the band and it sounds great. The short stream that had Yesterdays I could pretty much only hear Axl and the rest of the band was muted. His voice is good, but not good enough to be left out completely exposed like that on his weaker songs. Especially on songs where it is not meant to be exposed. Not many vocalists can. But it wasn't awful by any means. He sounded great on This I Love- well up until when his mic cut out, at least. His voice is supposed to be exposed on songs like it, though.

Has he sound better? Yes. There is no comparison to when he was at his peak. Does he sound bad? To me the answer is absolutely no. He does not sound bad in the least.

I only wish I could go to a show. GnR was always a live band. It has to be amazing to hear them in a live setting where the acoustics surround you in sound and you are able to feel the music as much as hear it.  

Now… does anyone have a good audio of November Rain? I want to hear it without the booming bass overwhelming the phone's microphone.

She seems like one of those people who are nice and fun to be around.

Then her vocabulary starts to creep into yours and it takes two years of conscious effort to quit talking like her.

Sorry. Flashback to an instructor I had for multiple classes for a year once. She had a tendency to add -ish to words. And usually it was paired with "kinda". She did it all the time.  It seemed like at least every other sentence. You cannot imagine my horror when I found myself starting to do it. (It was kinda annoyingish!)

9 minutes ago, BlueJean Baby said:

Yeah. I totally agree with your comments. A lot of his bad reputation was started in the media back in the early days and has just stuck with him through the years. I think he has a great sense if humor too.

 I think he has earned most of his reputation. Just that it isn't all he is.