EvanG

20 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

 

EDIT: apparently the pentagon and the New York Post have now debunked all of this, so I guess that’s the end of that!

I hope you're being sarcastic.

On 4/7/2023 at 10:52 AM, Stay.Of.Execution said:

How are they gonna sell another 15k in three months without any sort of Promotion whatsoever. I don't see it

But TB is busy being on holiday their whole fucking life that there's not time to take care of that. God I hate these Brazilian leeches. Most useless human specimen ever made

You don't even live here, so how would you know? I've been seeing commercials on both radio and TV for this show for months already.

9 minutes ago, Rovim said:

i'm also open to it, but lying or thinking what you know is real is part of human nature so especially when it comes to these kind of topics, I'm just being careful when it comes to what I believe.

Oh, I'm sure many people lie or think they're telling the truth but aren't, also regarding this. But with the type and number of people that have opened up about this in the last years alone, I learn towards thinking there's some truth to it. But I notice people often dismiss something as bullshit merely because they can't understand something, and that's kinda what I was trying to say.

Just now, Rovim said:

but what if we just can't imagine the reason for someone like that to make this up. People make shit up for all sorts of weird and self serving reasons (as I'm sure you know)

In the last years many credible people have stepped forward. We are not talking about your average 'I want to believe' loonies who come together in fields to look at the sky and have seen a few too many X-Files episodes and are more obsessed than the loonies on here at the GnR section of this forum. These are credible people who can only lose by fabricating stories.

I'm not saying it's true, it's obviously impossible for me to know. But I'm open to the thought and many people can't entertain the idea simply because they can't comprehend it, so it must be bullshit. 

There is really no reason for someone like that to make this up.

For my job I deal with Ukrainian refugees under the age of 27 quite regularly. Most have adapted really well so far, are already learning to speak the language and many have found a job here.

Didn't care too much for the first single, but really like the second one. Typically Foo Fighters, but that's ok, and of course very emotional lyrics about Taylor.

I don't see many parallels.
Also, GnR was more a worldwide phenomenon. Oasis was a big band but also a bit of a one-hit-album wonder in many countries outside of the UK, while GnR's popularity remained high until the band became inactive.

17 minutes ago, action said:

you and me, are on opposing sides, and we both feel bad about the board. speaks books to me.

I'm not taking sides. Nor do I feel bad. I don't take it seriously enough for that.
There can be many reasons why a forum becomes less fun, but it's personal as well. All it takes is a few active or like-minded posters to leave, and it changes the dynamic of a forum.  
In my case for example, I don't like to dwell on the negative aspects of GnR all the time, but many people here do and they feel a sense of community apparently to constantly express that negativity, misery loves company and all, therefore they love this place. So it's different for everyone. I deal with that by not coming here often anymore. It's no big deal.

4 minutes ago, action said:

EvanG and Soulmonster, I dont know how you two are in real life. But the posters I came to know here, have given me nothing but bad memories. That was probably not intentional, at least I hope not, but it's the truth.

you can say, it is only a message board. But at least from my experience, we do not live in a very friendly society anymore. Again, disagree with that, but that's how I experience the world. Call me a loner, a saddo, but again that's me. But you can be sure, I am not the only one.

it is the task of those who run this forum, to make this place more friendly and lively. And while it is certainly commendable they are paying for this board, what have they done to make this a warm welcome place I wonder? Downzy, and all the mods, ask yourself that. I mean this in the sincerest way possible. If you think that is not up to you, or you just don't care, why bother with this forum at all?

If you really feel that way, then the solution is simple. Don't visit this place anymore. And I mean that sincerely. No one is forcing you to be here. If you enjoy internet forums, there are many out there. Find one, and I think you already have, that's more to your liking and doesn't make you feel bad.

I don't take it seriously at all, but I don't visit this place much anymore either and that's for the best. I think these are my first few posts since February. GnR section is full of negativity and toxic posters and this section, that used to have fun dialogue or more interesting music talk, is nowadays for the most part arguments and not much else. Or at least not topics I really care about. So I guess I still come here out of habit sometimes, but less and less, and I advise you to do the same.

1 hour ago, action said:

this forum has always been one of the more unfriendly places I have visited.

a large part of my depression, is thanks to this board.

it is an unusual large collection of toxic people. Usually it's a small amount of negative people in a crowd of positive people, but here it is the other way around. I truly, truly struggle to name some good people on here. Most of them have moved on to other places.

it just hit me like a thunderbolt, but I was too blind to see.

I hope I can find the will not to click on this forum anymore.

thanks for nothing, mygnrforum.

I have disagreed with almost everything you've said on here in the past, so I am probably one of those toxic people you refer to. And I think that if something as stupid and trivial as an internet forum will be a cause of depression, I find that rather strange. But I suppose everyone is different.

However, I agree about the many ''toxic'' posters on here. Especially at the GnR-section.
The non-GnR section used to be okay and a fun distraction at work, but it has been dead for the most part since the likes of Soon and a few others stopped posting.

2 minutes ago, janrichmond said:

The complaints about complaining are worse than those that complain, use the ignore feature on them and keep everyone happy. Please.

That’s your opinion. I had more than 20 likes these last two days on my posts, so I don’t think I’m the only one who is getting tired of the endless repetition from the same few posters nor am I the only who has spoken out against it. But I guess since the moderators here are fine with it, I guess I will go back to posting only at the non-GnR subforums like I’ve done for the most part this last year because this place is no fun anymore. Kudos to you on the moderating. 

8 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

I get what you're saying, of course there's people who comment about the upcoming tour or whatever just to point out how shit GNR is, Mickey Mouse vocals, etc. and that can be annoying for other people.

But you're doing the same thing you're complaining about, repeating the same thing with different wording, sounding like a broken record... "if only you could see it yourself".

You don’t get it, I can’t help it these people are too stupid to understand. We say “it’s not about the content, you can be negative” and they get offended and react with “we’re not allowed to say anything and give criticism”. Uhm, we didn’t say that. 

Maybe it’s my fault to explain it again, knowing fully well they are too much of a troll or simply too thick to understand it. But hey, I tried. Thanks for butting in though.

1 hour ago, Gordon Comstock said:

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, constantly repeating the same complaints sure is annoying...

Too easy if you actually bother trying to understand what we were saying, which I guess you don’t. Nice try, though.

1 minute ago, El Guapo said:

To be serious, I post a lot of negative comments. Because almost everything they do (or don't do) sucks.

That's just how it is.

The Blu Ray for example is great, saw it on youtube. But why the fuck can't I buy the thing as a stand alone?! Money's tight for everone, they don't give a fuck. 

If they do something that deserves praise I'm the first in line. But they just don't.

I think you, me and almost everyone on this board falls in that category.

I’m confused why you guys constantly fail to comprehend what is being said. The issue some of us have is not the content, everyone is entitled to be negative and complain, but the repetition of constantly the same complaint day in and day out that is getting annoying. And not everyone does this, but there are a handful of posters guilty of this.

42 minutes ago, jamillos said:

For me, the issue would be that if you focus on the negative, the negative is what you’ll see all around you. Have you noticed that there seem to be some people in the world who are always, and I mean always negative, always have some problems, saying how things got pricey again, some dude is trying to rip them off, the government is fucking them over with bills etc., and these people, mumbling into their beer, seem to be literally chased by problems all the time? So imagine there’s an occasional complainer here. He also says other things, not just complaints. But if you solely focus on the negative, you’ll come to the (erroneous) conclusion that this and only this is what the dude is saying all the time. 
Simply not true. 

And then there’s this irony, where you’ll essentially keep complaining about complaining, i.e. doing exactly the same what you criticize. Repeating the same shit over and over. 

Imagine you’re sitting in a pub with a friend. He loves his wife dearly, but they’ve been together for a while, and sometimes he feels angry with her - she pisses him off, won’t put out etc. It’s not your job to tell your friend to leave the wife or to stop complaining all the time (even though he just does it sometimes, not all the time and every day); you don’t have to share his view (especially considering you love that wife too, you bastard), but you can be supportive enough to just let him blow off some steam, because after all, you share some hobby and can talk about other stuff pertaining to this hobby, right in a minute. You don’t have to keep telling him that he occasionally repeats the same material – after all, the wife isn’t gonna change and things can get dull, and if you and your friend see each other every goddamn day, shit’s gonna get repeated; that’s how life is. 

So, being always annoying about someone being always annoying doesn’t make them or you less annoying. I.e. complaining about complaining isn’t a solution. In fact, it only doubles the shit. And then, in case things get unbearable, there’s always this safeguard "ignore" function, too. 

Yeah, I don't know why you type such a huge post, because this has all been addressed already.
So, again, the people that mention the negativity and complaining on here don't ''always'' react to this. Considering how much negativity there is, they mention it very little. As I've said before in this thread, this week is the first time in almost a year or so that I reacted to it again. And that's because I thought it was so petty for some of them to rain on someone elses parade in the touring thread. 
And the fact that we react is because this is a fan forum. That doesn't mean you can't complain or express criticism, it would be boring if everyone is only pointing out the positives, especially with a band like GnR who deserves to receive criticism, but when you have a few posters who come here every day to point out the same negative sentiments over and over in almost every thread, then it's a real drag and makes for a less enjoyable forum to read. And now we are the bad guys again for saying something about it.

11 hours ago, JimiRose said:

I dont think it's opinion to state that Axls vocal has got worse. that's evidenced by listening to the shows. I'm not sure anyone here would agree his voice is as good or better than previous tours. It's also not opinion that the stage show no longer has pyro, confetti etc - again thats a fact. what is opinion is that to me, that means it is a worse show than before. 

I genuinely havent seen a lot of people saying these shows are so fantastic and they cannot wait to go again and are willing to pay any price. I've seen a lot of people begrudgingly say they will go to the shows because they love the band and there are certainly worse things to be doing than seeing GnR in a stadium, but that still doesnt make the product good.

Also i have no problem with you wanting to go to the show and have a good time, i hope everyone that does go will have a good time seeing them, but i also feel we're complicit in this by continuing to buy tickets for subpar performances and the same show. If people are happy to do that, that's great for them, but it also means the band are less likley to want to improve the stage show, release new music or shake up the setlist if people will just pay to see whatever they serve up. this is year 8 of reunion tour and year 15 of no new album. That is insane. 

To be fair, I reacted to your initial post where you said that the band is ''phoning it in'' and ''give fuck all''. You stated that, as you have done so many times already, as facts, but they are not facts. It's your opinion and that's okay, but I am sure a lot of people have a different opinion, hence why the band is still touring so successfully so many years after the reunion. But I don't have to convince you otherwise, just like you don't have to keep repeating your opinion either. Just accept that everyone has a different opinion. It's ok, ya know?

2 hours ago, username said:

Kind of strange of you to call me out on that in a thread where I wasn't ripping on GnR at all. I offer what I think is fair criticism on the current band and particularly their management team while still liking a lot of what they did before. If it bothers you I then suggest ignoring it. Especially in a thread where I was talking about ticket prices over the years in general. 

dude, come on... don't pretend you're this naive. This is not about offering criticism. Almost every post you make on here is the same list of complaints each time on a daily basis. Look, it has been said many times before, you can be critical, you can complain, you don't have to like this band anymore, it's all fine, but you have become such a broken record on here, you really don't have to be this way. You keep on repeating yourself with almost every post and there's really no need for that. Or is this some kind of coping mechanism because the band you used to like so much has clearly disappointed you so much and this is your way of dealing with it?

1 minute ago, Tom2112 said:

But I wasn't comparing them to any other artist, I was just saying when a big name musician shone a light on what they are actually doing they were embarrassed and a bit pissed off. I don't really care if they ever follow up Chinese at this point in time, and I don't care if they tour endlessly either. Boring yes, as an old fan disappointing but I (mostly) accept it for what it is. Not saying I'm not interested in new music etc. But I have no expectation from them other than to not do the things I would find interesting.

 

But you do agree that now that you are responding again, it's the same back and forth you had last year and the year before that? 

And I think the "negative" posters who repeat themselves are just as curious as you just in a different way, 'why are people still interested in this thing when I have no interest anymore?' That's my best guess. 

 

I’m not denying I have never commented on it before, and I’m not the only one. I’ve heard the sentiment that we react every single time to their complaints, and that’s not true. If we had to react every time they repeat themselves on here we would be here every day having a full time job reacting to it, and that’s not the case. But yes, it is annoying to constantly having to scroll through the same shit and seeing so much turning into a ‘GnR sucks’ thread, so I think it’s fair to say something now and then. I realize there’s an ignore feature, and I have some on ignore, but when it takes over the thread an ignore feature has no use.

In the touring thread another poster who is also annoyed at this made a smart comment, and I think I know why they are on constant repeat in sharing their disappointment now. If only they could see it themselves, then maybe they would take it a bit more easy and this forum could be more enjoyable to read again.

5 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

And yet, you repeat the same post about everyone complaining... so it's kinda the same thing. The people who write the same post over and over again about GNR are never going to change, and you're never going to stop either

But I don’t. It’s just not true. I have barely posted here in the last months and I haven’t responded to the negativity in almost a year until this week when the usual suspects started to rain on other people’s parade in the touring thread with the usual negativity that they spew out hundreds of times before. And in my defense, I was sincerely curious why they feel the need to again post the same shit when most other people in there were all excited for the summer shows. So it’s just not true what you say.

4 minutes ago, James Bond said:

Never too late to try again.

Security has my picture up now : ‘ (

Just now, Stay.Of.Execution said:

Did you ejaculate into the panties?

They asked me to leave before I could.

13 minutes ago, Rovim said:

 

without critic it's also boring, but after a certain amount of negative shit and years of it, I think it becomes less appropriate to mostly keep posting how shit the band is with the same reasons as always in a place that is supposed to also respect the admiration of the fans by finally accepting it for what it is. 

that's just my opinion and preference.

This.

Everyone is allowed to speak their mind and give their opinion, whether it’s positive or negative. Everyone is allowed to give criticism and complain. Lord knows most of it is justified with this band. 
 

However, there are a handful of posters who come here pretty much every day to repeat the same negative shit, just worded differently. It’s like they are obsessed. And then when you react and tell them it’s clear and no need to repeat themselves constantly, they get offended and call you the “GnR fan brigade” or some shit like that. Ridiculous. I don’t understand why the moderators don’t say something.

Just now, Rovim said:

I don't consider the instrumental leaks as Gn'R tunes cause those versions don't contain vocals. A lot of potential though.

from the few we got with vocals I like Atals and State Of Grace. Perhaps and Eye On You are also cool. I prefer the leaked version of HS with the different chords in the bridge and the 2 guitar lines on top of it. Going Down 2019 leak is also pretty good.

 

Yeah, I meant from the ones with vocals. Atlas Shrugged and State Of Grace are my favourites.

I used to lurk in the Victoria's Secret store in the mall until they asked me to leave.