WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself

On 7/12/2017 at 5:34 AM, ludurigan said:

now in that scenario who would be the one guy who wouldnt be able to keep up with the others?

Izzy?

I like the studio version. The solo at the end is great imo, no matter if it's Slash or Izzy. And Izzy's singing is perfect for it.

I'm not the biggest fan of its lyrics though.

Well, WTTJ is not among the songs that suffer the most from Axl's current vocals.

P.S. Imo It's So Easy is the only song that Axl sings better nowadays than in his prime. The screams that he uses now on that song are much better now.

42 minutes ago, RONIN said:

I'm not saying that Duff isn't respected or acknowledged by them (he is and should be) - I'm saying he's more invested in getting their approval than the other way around. I'm saying he's more opportunistic - a real fence rider. Or as Slash allegedly put it, "spineless". Just my opinion, but I've always felt Duff plays up his friendship with those guys more than any of the other parties. Slash is also friends with the some of the big alternative icons like Cornell and Grohl but does not feel the need to bring it up as much as Duff.

Probably Duff feels that he comes way after Axl and Slash in the GnR world, that the casual fans don't know or love him as much (which is true and quite natural). So, by running together with Grohl on the stage he 'targets' the fans, not Grohl.

But I can't blame him for trying to point out his presence a bit more. That doesn't mean that he has dark incentives or whatever. Everyone in that business wants to be as relevant as possible I suppose. 

53 minutes ago, RONIN said:

There's a blog post where he apologizes to Krist about his role in the infamous 92 VMAs. That's a cool gesture. The problem is he twists facts in that post to absolve the nirvana guys of their own role in the feud. Yes, Duff acted poorly to Krist at the VMAs - but Nirvana slagged off the band and were talking shit about them non-stop prior to the confrontation. It's admirable to take responsibility for your role in a conflict - it's something else when you're making a false equivalency to get the other guy off the hook.

Yeah, that's true and unfortunately Slash did the same thing.

In the same interview, Slash dished on a beef between one of his former bandmates and a another grunge icon -- that between Guns N' Roses singer Axl Rose and Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain. "Nirvana was great. I really, with all due respect to Kurt and Courtney and all that, there was some issues that happened having to do with Axl that I felt like they were totally right," Slash said, likely referring to the brief, yet nasty exchange at the 1992 MTV Music Awards.

1 hour ago, RONIN said:

IMHO, if you want the truth about how Duff really felt about GnR's demise, his real thoughts about Axl, the most revealing interviews are from '99-2002. '02 in particular has some gems, one of which I'll post soon when I get time.

I know but again I find it reasonable that he would change his view as the years went by. Even Axl mellowed.

1 hour ago, Tori72 said:

Just to let you know, in the Izzy thread we did a little research on Duff and found out that his wealth management firm never really existed. His founding partner doesn't even list it in his bio. Also Duff made believe he graduated from university which he didn't. He didn't get his degree and didn't go to university. He did online classes but apparently never got an degree from them.

If I remember correctly Duff did go to university, but he persuaded them to finish his last courses online because he had some other commitments.

2 hours ago, RONIN said:

I love how GnR played up the Dave Grohl appearance several times on their twitter feed and Foo Fighters didn't bother to even retweet or mention the appearance on their feed. McKagan desperately wants the respectability, credibility, and approval of the grunge stalwarts - which he can't have because of his GnR association.

Foo Fighters played Paradise City at their show after Grohl's appearance. Grohl had attended the first Las Vegas gig and other FF guys have seen GNR shows as well.

Grohl and Slash are friends and have also cooperated musically. Duff has played together with Novoselic (even SCOM). I don't think Duff is not respected or acknowledged by them and trying desperately to do so. He just had fun on stage with Grohl...

Steven Adler....

And my vote goes to... UYI 1

UYI 1                                        UYI 2

Right Next Door To Hell - 5          Civil War - 9.5
Dust N' Bones - 8.5                     14 years - 8
Live and Let Die - 6                     Yesterdays - 8
Don't Cry - 10                             KOHD -  8.5
Perfect Crime - 3.5                      Get in the Ring - 4.5
You Ain't The First - 7.5               Shotgun Blues - 2
Bad Obsession - 5.5                     Breakdown - 7
Back Off Bitch - 6.5                      Pretty Tied Up - 7
Double Talkin Jive - 8                   Locomotive - 9.5
November Rain - 10                     So Fine - 6
The Garden - 8.5                         Estranged - 10
Garden Of Eden - 4.5                   You Could Be Mine - 10
Don't Damn Me - 8                       Don't Cry (alt) - 8
Bad Apples - 7                             My World - 2
Dead Horse - 9.5
Coma - 10

average: 7.4                              average: 7.1

Also, I always skip Shotgun Blues and My World so UYI1 has 4 more songs for me..

4 minutes ago, RONIN said:

The biggest incident was the loss of one of the greatest guitar duos.

Ok, but this is not exactly a NITL tour incident.

50 minutes ago, Pishy said:

Settle down there, if it wasn't for the Communists and the millions of lives that the Soviets sacrificed for humanity, you would be giving a heil hitler.

Maybe do a little research into America's role in all that, you might want to get a therapist on standby 

Russians for sure played a big role in defeating Hitler, but that has nothing to do with the fact that they were communists.

I don't know what exactly happened, but nowadays the sound is off:

33 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

Man, both Slash and rainbows up in there? What isn't in Axl's ass?

I've heard rumours that the GN'R vault is also there.

Do you really want GN'R to become a hipster favourite band? That would be dreadful. Fuck them.

Of course there are kids that like GN'R, but it won't get mainstream, no matter how many Melissas get into the band, that's for sure.

3 hours ago, RONIN said:

"One album band. Everything they did afterwards was crap."

This is definitely the most moronic perception about Guns, shared mostly among some hard rock ACDC-type fans.

Even if they hate NR or DC (that's their problem) or whatever, UYIs are not only that.

P.S. Did I mention how much I hate anything those hipsters like? 

3 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

And I agree, but when Angus comes out on stage you have to appreciate that you're watching one of the grandaddys, so complaining about him being at your show is just crazy. Complaing about hearing the seeker, wis you were here etc. fine, but when you have 'the' man in the house, why not play his songs. Having said that, I'd like to hear his take on Shacklers  

Personally I've never complained about his guest appearances, only about the song choices.

59 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Regardless of liking the music you have to appreciate the history. It's like someone saying "chuck Berry, Albert King were shit, Angus is great" there's no Angus without Angus having heard  those early blues guitar players. I don't get a lot from listening to the old blues guys (maybe I will eventually) but I know they started the ball rolling, so I have great respect for that.

Of course I respect their history and I get why they have so many fans. ACDC is a legendary band, no doubt.

However I don't feel that I have to worship them since their songs, with a few exceptions, do nothing for me.

2 hours ago, Zurimor said:

That's why it's a classic and an actual deepcut, it's awesome Angus plays it live. Poor people which can't appreciate this.

Since I'm not an ACDC fan I don't care for their deepcuts. I just don't like this song, it's so simple.

As I said, instead of getting on stage in a GNR show and playing a deepcut, they could play You shook me. It would be better for 99% of the crowd plus me.

Anyway, probably that was the last appearance of Angus with GNR.

12 hours ago, default_ said:

All their songs sound alike? GREAT. If I want to listen to something different then I'll look for another band, they dont need a fuckin patience. 

Of course they don't need a Patience, they did right to stick to their successful formula. They're just not for me.

I have yet to find a solo by Angus to make me feel like when I listened to the Estranged solos.

But most of what I've heard sound very generic to my ears.

39 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Absolute bollocks on all accounts. Riff Raff for instance is absolute ripsnorter of a song.

I don't think so... It's pretty forgettable. As the 90% of their songs.

Of course they would never do a song like Hells Bells in a GNR show, but they could play at least You shook me for example.

It would have been a far better choice.

2 minutes ago, default_ said:

Generic? They have fuckin helped creating the fuckin genre, if werent for 'em Guns N Fuckin Roses wouldnt be around. 

Generic my fuckin ass. 

So what? Most of their songs sound the same. GNR has a very small catalogue compared to ACDC, but it's much more versatile.

ACDC was only good for creating "high energy rock n' roll" songs. Ok, but nothing more than this. Where is a song like Patience for example?

Acdc is no more metal than GNR.

On the other hand, the word 'generic' describes their music perfectly. Apart from a few songs that stand out,

their catalogue consists of indifferent boring songs with even more indifferent, can't-get-more-generic-than-this solos and riffs imo.

I don't have anything against Angus and it's nice to have him as a guest on a show or two, but at least they could have played something better than this riff raff BS.

On 28/6/2017 at 0:22 AM, Marie82 said:

Did you get an answer?

Yes, but it was so lengthy and vague that I got confused.

1. he loves the 'Mickey' voice, or
2. he is sure we love the 'Mickey' voice, or
3. Slash told him that he loves the 'Mickey' voice and to use it more, or
4. some songs need that type of singing to get modern, or....

Shall I ask him again? 

Give me two seconds to ask him and I'll tell you.

Slash is selling his villa and Axl has committed himself to an endless touring and even applied for a second job to ACDC so they will be able to fund their new record.

You don't respect nothing.

5 minutes ago, Izzy_Toronto said:

Maddog there is an interview on youtube where Axl talks about the songwriting process on Patience and he had said that Izzy wrote it and all Axl wrote was the ending. There was never anyou article or credit to Slash's on Think About You. Izzy wrote it about Alex Van Halen's ex wife who Izzy had dated. Mr Brownstone was a song Izzy wrote which Axl found the lyrics in a room where Izzy and Steven shared. Slash has said he helped write Brownstone but most probable he helped Izzy elaborate on some of the guitar. Slash had said before that he co-wrote Double Talkin Jive but obviously no credit on the album so most likely an exaggeration on his part. I'm just saying that a Stradlin/Rose duo was as important as a Jagger/Richards or a Lennon/McCartney.  

Possibly, the ending of Patience was written by Duff.

- Duff: "Izzy wrote the verse [humming the verse with help from Steven] and I wrote the part at the end, "A little patience, yeaaaaah" Okay, so that came together like that and we had it."

- Axl: "Izzy basically wrote most of the words except for the ending part, and then Slash and Duff got in on it, rearranging and rewriting parts of it, music parts, guitar parts..."

But there is also this contradictory quote from Duff:

- Duff: " Axl came up with a great lyric, seemingly out of nowhere, that of course became the story and melody of that song. The whistle part at the beginning--a ballsy move by Axl--while seeming odd to some of our fans and critics alike when the record Lies was released, became a part of pop culture. The song just wouldn't be the song without it, right? "

and also:

- Slash: "Izzy and Axl had such great chemistry because Axl knew how to transform one of Izzy's simple structures into a perfect, well-rounded, melodically and lyrically rich song. A great example is 'Patience': Axl really elevated that song of Izzy's into something else entirely."

Another quote by Slash:

Axl is a dramatic kind of individual. Everything he says or does has a meaning, a theatrical place in his mind,

in a blown-out-of-proportion kind of way. Little things become greatly exaggerated, so that interactions with people can become magnified into major issues.

The bottom line is, he has his own way of looking at things.

2 minutes ago, RONIN said:

Gotcha. I think we're actually pretty much in agreement on most things. You believe that they can release a great album without Izzy and I actually agree that they can. Where we may or may not disagree is:

A) There is no way that this album would be as good as one with Izzy co-writing and playing guitar.

B) The likelihood of a new album without Izzy being involved creatively in bridging the gap between Axl and Duff/Slash. It seems unlikely to me that they can overcome this if they couldn't do it before in the past. Axl hasn't changed. He's only gotten worse since he's been running the band solo for the last 20 years. Duff and Slash are successful in their own right and probably even less inclined to compromise.

We shall see I suppose. My hope is that they just go the full way and cash out completely by emptying the vault completely -- just dump all the 96 demos and chinese stuff into a box set and give us that stuff (this would include the Izzy songs Axl still has). That way everyone is happy and they don't mess up the legacy by doing a brand new album that may or may not be any good. 

I hate what has happened to bands like Metallica and artists like Chris Cornell. There's a dignity in going out when you're on top and quitting while you're ahead. Maybe GnR did that with Illusions. Without Izzy and Steven/Matt in the lineup, I feel like the odds of an album worthy of AFD or Illusions is very unlikely...especially at this stage of their careers.

I agree with everything except that Axl hasn't changed or he is worse. I don't know that. Axl seems to be in a whole different mood since the reunion.

And if there still is a creative gap between Axl and Slash, if Axl insists on industrial rock for example, then I can't see Izzy bridging that gap since he is artistically far from that.

Izzy helped holding the interpersonal relations tighter back in the day, much more than bridging any artistic deviations imo.

He helped the rest of the band (especially Slash) to be able to 'deal' with Axl. I'm not sure that this thing is needed any more. I hope not.