WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself

5 minutes ago, starlight said:

Everybody owes somebody something.

GNR is also Steven and Izzy's band. They wrote the music that made GNR famous unllke Frank and Fortus.

Indeed, so they can just get out of their homes and play it.

If Izzy can't reach to an agreement with Axl (no matter whose fault is), what bothers him to do his own shows and play the same songs? The fans will be there.

22 minutes ago, AlexC said:

So when it's Steven it's an opinion but when it's Axl it's a fact?

In this instance, I would even go as far as to say that Steven and Izzy are more reliable sources than Axl, Slash and Duff because they have nothing to lose, they've already been shunned so why bother to lie? Axl, Slash and Duff have to keep up appearances and not turn fans against them, so why would their side of the story offer verification of any kind whatsoever? There's no way they're gonna come out and say "actually yeah, his back healed just fine but we just didn't want him in the band anyway."

No, it's not a fact whatever Axl says. And I didn't say that Steven lies or that the one is more reliable than the other.

What I said is that we've heard only the one side of the story.

I wasn't referring to Adler when I said that opinions are not facts. I was referring to our (the fans) opinions, which sometimes are presented as facts.

15 minutes ago, Asia said:

If they were looking for an excuse to get rid of him, why would they offer him this gig in the first place???! It makes no sense at all. Noone was obliged to do that. This theory is just nuts.

The only reasonable answer to this would be that Slash and/or Duff wanted him to be a part of it (don't you remember how happy Slash was when Steven joined them for the first time?)

and Axl compromised but under the condition that Steven won't get a 2nd chance.

So when Steven got injured he found the opportunity to get rid of him.

But the truth is that none of us knows what really happened and all we can do is just guessing.

I won't take any side in this (same goes with the case of Izzy and the loot).

Just now, AlexC said:

So... what, don't discuss points directly from the horse's mouth because it may or may not be absolute truth? It's all we have. If Axl doesn't like it then he should respond and set the record straight. But right now, all it we have is Steven's side and it's indicating that he has been mistreated.

We can discuss anything we want, but to make conclusions when we haven't heard the other side of the story? Opinions are not facts.

13 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

What absolute garbage that, just because you are critical of a rock band in certain aspects you must be somehow deficient in your social life somehow, including your conjugal relations!!

The good thing about your posts is that each time I learn a new english word 

18 minutes ago, BorderlineCrazy said:

Either Duff is color blind or I am, 'cause that vest doesn't look orange to me at all 

Yes, I thought the same thing.

That lady boarding with Angus must be his wife. It seems that they both loved Axl.

Angus boarding the plane:

21 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I've never been impressed with Rose to tell you the truth. In his prime he sounded like he had throat cancer. Now he sounds like Mickey Mouse wheezing for breath, fluffing lines. Listen, this is all subjective. Go on IORNR forum and ask the question, ''Axl or Jagger?'', and they will laugh their head off at the merest thought that Rose can even dream of competing with Sir Mick. Go on an U2 board and switch Bono with Jagger? Same result. (I hate U2 by the way just to show I'm being unbiased).

Does anyone know Mick's vocal range?

• Flat, like this: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- ~~~~~~~ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~ -- ~~~~~~~~
• Technically Mick isn't the best singer but he's the best singer for the stones. I'd say his range is fairly limited because you never hear him screaming high notes. I don't know his range but excluding falsetto I doubt its 4 octaves.
• People who care about Jagger don't know these things; people who know these things don't give a hoot about Mick Jagger.
• I've never thought of Jagger as a good singer. Perfect for The Stones, though. If he was a great singer, he would have been horrible for the Stones.

https://www.iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,1622100,1622635

(p.s. I like Jagger, no Jagger no Stones)

1 hour ago, Gackt said:

truly the glue that holds GnR together

You mean the social media?    j/k

8 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

The only legit complaint I can agree with is Myles, you either love his vocals or you hate them, and if you happen to be one of the unlucky ones who don't like them it ruins his music for you.

I hate his higher register and his screaming 90% of the time, but I really like his lower voice (like the one that he uses on battleground).

20 minutes ago, Rovim said:

He just looks determined here. I see no issue with this fat Axl pic. Still charismatic. Like Elvis.

More like Obelix 

Imo Riad has inexplicably bad/weird lyrics. Seriously, who in the fucking world can relate to that song? I can't stand it.

I would say that some songs on CD have a major syntax weirdness. I can't even fully understand the meaning of some verses. But that may be just me.

Yeah, right, he sounds the same as 11-14.  

Best Sweet Child of NITL tour?

Nope. I don't really care for most of their songs.

I only like Fall to Pieces, Dirty Little Thing, She Builds Quick Machines and maybe 1 or 2 more.

And I don't want Axl to sing Slither (unless it replaces The @#@er) 

As Perla said, VR wasn't Slash's best work. I prefer his solo stuff by far.

50 minutes ago, BlueJean Baby said:

I am amazed that today's interview is creating such negativity among GNR fans. Steven seemed really out of touch with what may or may not be going on. Before the interview, everyone was excited about the tour, .... but then this interview with Steven, which really did not have much clarity, has bummed fans out, everyone is bashing Axl and saying they are losing interest in GNR...

What??? You probably had on ignore about half of the users of this forum all this time until now 

And even if the classic lineup ever happens, there will still be many reasons to complain about...

Axl's voice, the setlist, CD songs, no Estranged, no Bucket, no Bumble, no Fortus, no DJ...

OK, the last one is a bit too much.

But the truth is that after all those years of pain, we could have had now the AFD5 together again. If only there was a little more good will from all of them...

20 minutes ago, Caraibes said:

Best

Fucking

Pic

Ever!

 

The "Big Four" with Fortus!

 

Where is the fourth?

13 minutes ago, estranged_85 said:

UYI was quite experimental at the time, i mean compared to AFD. I'm glad that Guns didn't put out AFDx5. It's the versatility that's one of the great things about GN'R IMO.

UYI was more versatile than AFD, no doubt, but I wouldn't say that they went away from their roots.

It was probably a matter of time when they would do longer songs, use the piano etc. Axl was working on Nov Rain years before AFD.

But CD is not exactly the natural progress for GN'R sound imo.

I wish Axl wasn't that experimental. He was, that's the problem imo.

I like a few CD songs, but CD cannot really be compared with AFD or UYIs.

Of course, had they put out 10 hard rock albums and CD, it wouldn't matter that much.

Yes, he did. And Yesterdays is a blatant rip-off from the Beatles' Yesterday. Don't let that 's' in the end mislead you.

13 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I suppose it is academic now anyhow as he has switched into a cheesy Vegas act and is never going to put out another album again.

If you keep saying that, I'm afraid that the new album (if and whenever is made) will have your name in its title 

I voted for YCBM, SCOM, Paradise City and TWAT.

Apart from the above I didn't enjoy Yesterdays and CITR but I don't love them anyway.

I wish Axl could do somewhat better with Estranged (2nd half), Nov Rain, Rocket Queen and Used To Love Her, but I enjoyed them.

14 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Guns N' Roses fans are basically divided in two groups: those who consider the new band as much as GnR as the old one, and those who think that the real GnR ended in 1993 (or 1991 for some) and that the new band was fake GnR.

The first group can rightfully complain about the small catalogue and the long periods without new music.

But as far as the second group goes, it's inconsistent and contradicting to argue that the new band wasn't GnR and CD is not a GnR album, and at the same time to criticize GnR as a band of 30 years with a small catalogue and compare them to The Stones.

EXACTLY