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10 hours ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

At what point in the show was this?

couldnt remember off the top of my head, though I'd imagine soul monster will know

2 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Like laziness?

Exactly

9 hours ago, Draguns said:

Wtf is this comment about????  You are implying that having autism is such a bad thing. Autism and other types of disabilities are not a bad thing. I have a physical disability.  I am more successful and productive than most people. 

You come on here every single day and whine about something. Rather than whine  and be miserable, how about enjoying life? Maybe then you won't come on here every day moaning about something. 

10 hours ago, Gunner Gilby said:

My oldest son has autism. It's not something people suffer. A lot of people who are autistic are actually very intelligent. As are most people with disabilities when supported. What the fuck is it with people who imply someone's autistic or have some other form of disability like it's an insult?

 

Actually, I was giving him an excuse for his misunderstanding, as autistic people I know do not understand sarcasm or changes in tone of voice and take things literally as said, rather than the intent behind them. 

Your misunderstanding of that is rather ironic. 

And please do not lecture me on physical or mental disabilities, I assure you I have a lot more first hand experience of them both than 99.999% of the people on earth. And do not conflate the use of something like autism as being an insult, or a comparison to people with physical disabilities. that is insulting. and with such experiences in the real world, I have plenty to come here and moan about and will continue to exercise that right. I will also not let people here with no experience let axl hide behind supposed conditions he may or may not suffer from as a reason for his lack of creative output. 

To confuse the use of autism as an insult shows your own negative bias towards the word, because as you say autistic people can and often are incredibly intelligent. It can then also mean that they can confuse things in the context tommy was using. A simple 'English isn't my first language, so no i didn't get that' or 'I am autistic therefore i didnt pick up on that' will suffice next time. The same way that is something was said in russian I would not expect myself to be able to grasp the meaning and tone behind words.

But please continue fighting battles over two of your own misinterpretations. 

On 5/8/2024 at 5:46 AM, evilfacelessturtle said:

At what part in the show?

... Jesus Christ, man.

*intended*

I love when the people who yell "Speak English!" make elementary grammatical errors.

On 5/8/2024 at 8:04 AM, Rovim said:

your language skills as a British guy with English as his first language are not exactly good enough to criticize others are they?

I think your original post highlighted the critic more instead of actually focusing on the reason it happened which was, as I said, to comfort Axl.

haha, touche. fair enough, clearly i meant 'intended' but as an english native with a journalism degree and a job in creative writing, i should have noticed the error. 

But nonetheless, Axl was not being comforted by Tommy, he was being insulted and ridiculed publicly. 

11 hours ago, Rovim said:

is your memory fuzzy? they didn't openly slate him on stage, it was quite the opposite. Axl said that he didn't want to be there and was obviously upset about his weak vocals and mistakes and Tommy told him that he didn't sing for a year before that show to comfort him.

 going to assume english isn't your first language. 

he slated him sarcastically saying thats what happens when you dont rehearse for a year. I don't know if english is your first language or you may suffer from autism or something that means you take things literally rather than as attended, but i assure you, it was not to comfort him. it was him letting off steam and letting axl know how pissed off he was

4 hours ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

When was this and which RIR?

2011 rock in rio

People aren't serious that GnR would boxset or reissue an underwhelming covers album are they!? There's scraping the barrel then there is this. 

The only logical boxset now would be CD because we have so little of those initial songs. There talks of 80 instrumental demos, appetite completely re recorded. 32 finished songs with vocals, an entire remix album of possibly 12-15 more, plus buckethead versions, ashba versions, bumble versions etc. It's probably the only album GnR have that is worthy of a boxset, they could literally give us 15 discs and still being leaving things off of it.

We already had everything from the appetite and illusion era. There was nothing there really. OK you can argue the live cds, but even they were floating about. I didn't even mention the live shows, they could throw in 2002, 2006, 2010 and 2016 shows. That would be a goldmine. that would be worth the £800 or whatever the hell rip off they charge. No one paid that for the illusions, coz it was literally just the illusions albums remastered. it was a sham. Surely it is CD boxset or bust. 

12 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

No, that's not why I am here. But that aside, how was I defending Axl? How is pointing out that Axl's low productivity is likely caused by other mental quirks than laziness, like debilitating insecurity and polar disorder, a defense of Axl?

Because you don;t know that axl has any of these conditions and what medication he is on. You're simply using them as an excuse for his laziness to try to defend him against the obvious, which is that he's incredibly fucking lazy! It's no big deal, he is a lazy man! It's ok!

26 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Because his behavior is better explained by pointing to his insecurities, long periods of depressions, manic periods, and a possible belief that rehearsals do more bad than good. Furthermore, there is nothing lazy about doing 3 hour shows when a lot less would be enough, and stepping in for AC/DC, especially considering Axl's stage fright. And finally, if he was truly lazy and that was a distinct part of his personality which shaped his behavior, that would have been pointed out by people around him, especially when people were attacking him in the media. He has been called all kinds of things, but as far as I can recall, never lazy by anyone he has feuded with. On the contrary, people - including Dizzy, Bumblefoot, Dj, Angus Young and Alan Niven - have made a point about telling about how hard he works.

To me it is clear that people who simplify this to Axl being "lazy" are themselves being intellectual lazy. They are either unable or unwilling to accept a much more complex explanation for what they observe. Which is human nature - we simply things so we don't have to deal with complexities that are beyond us, it's a coping mechanism for simpletons to navigate in a world that is too complex.

Axl beating stage fright is the equivalent of an obese guy beating anorexia.

He can have other issues, but that doesnt excuse his laziness. Finding a million different reasons to help you avoid the obvious one won't make any difference. he can be lazy and bipolar. he can be lazy and have other issues. doing things he enjoys does not mean he isnt lazy. It's not simplistic. It just is. He can also sporadically putting moments of hard graft and effort. but we are generalising over 30 years. and over those 30 years, he has been professionally lazy. 

15 hours ago, Illusion1987 said:

I wouldn't call someone who hitchhikers from Indiana,  to Los Angeles for the sole purpose of being a Rock Star "Lazy".

He already had created  'November Rain' and many other songs when he got off the bus.

Somewhere along the way he reached his breaking point.  The pain vs reward threshold for working on, and releasing new music becane diminishing returns,  in his mind,  especially since his body could no longer keep up with the music,  physically  

 

 

 

Lol he did that in like 1982  what's that gotta do with now? this has to be one of the silliest points ever made  

You can be one thing in one decade, and a completely different thing in another. When i was 20 i could run 10 miles in an hour. I'm now in my 30s and it'd probably take me 2 hours! No relevance. 

18 hours ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

Sure, if you ignore the evidence that he was diagnosed bipolar by a doctor. Or are we "ignorant to that fact"?

I know a lot of bipolar people. They don't just not turn up to work for 4 years. Or they don't turn up for the really fun attention part of the job and not the hard graft bit, such as rehearsal, practice and promotion. Bipolar would be an excuse then. But it seems to be very selective. All the things no one really wants to do but has to do, axl won't do. Was he diagnosed with selective bipolar? 

He can be lazy, which he clearly is and still do something he loves occasionally that is hard work, like a long show.  The lazy part is the being unrehearsed. Not many people in the world would deny axl is professionally lazy. It's not even a mud slinging thing, he just is. Not sure why 2/3 people here are insistent he isn't. peculiar. 

All the wild crazy theories out there about the band, this is one of the very few things we can be factual about. And still people won;t have it!

On 4/28/2024 at 2:04 PM, SoulMonster said:

Furthermore, I think if Axl was lazy then people who knew him would have made a point about this. I can’t remember anyone who was in a conflict with him, including Slash, Steven, Matt and Duff, ever referring to him as lazy. And they probably would have when the critisized him. They called him crazy and a dictator and much else, but never lazy. That's quite telling. 

So we'll just ignore them comments from those you mentioned that he never turned up to rehearsal. We'll then also ignore the fact that producers of CD said he just wouldn't turn up for months, despite it all being paid for and people being there waiting. We'll then ignore josh freese, stinson etc who all said they'd record all these songs, without axl and then never even know if he even wrote lyrics to them. we'll also ignore bumblefoot and stinson who said he never rehearsed, even openly slating him on stage at rock in rio for it. We'll then look at the promotion for CD, the songs released since CD, the music videos. Oh but he rehearsed for ACDC? well done axl! Even a lazy person can occasionally make some effort. Just because  every few years he does a few weeks of hard work does not mean he isn't lazy overall. They never said the word lazy no. They also never said the word cunt. I don't believe they ever used the word dictator either. But we can use our brains and interpret what is said and the actions, then read between the lines. 

Your constant defending of Axl is beyond parody. Jarmo esque. Why are you offended by people calling axl lazy? especially when all the evidence points to it being true? You can scatter me occasions over a 30 year period where he has done some hard graft. No one is permanently lazy obviously! But professionally speaking, axl is fucking lazy. 

21 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

As for your argument that Axl refraining from media and publicity because he is "lazy", I would counter that it is better explained by him being a very private person who feel that the press has been out to get him. We know that is the case. 

ah yes, that press that have hounded him despite not giving a damn about him for nearly 30 years. Not really up on your popular culture. One could argue Axl seeks attention by constantly hanging out with flavour of the month celebrities. He just happened to be caught at restaurants and hotels with Lana del ray at the peak of her fame? Then there was pink, then carrie underwood... gearing up for that taylor swift duet next!

So why does he refrain from rehearsing? Is that Mental Health or he's a bit shy? can't be laziness. Not Uncle Ax'

11 hours ago, Karice said:

Yep, Axl gets a LOT of the blame and flack for things going wrong with Guns N'Roses and I'm sure that makes him feel underappreciated, attacked , and insecure. Getting the blame and not a lot of praise. 😵‍💫

He gets the blame because its nearly always his fault. 

13 hours ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

Some people just look for any excuse to call others "lazy". Never understood that attitude but it probably comes from insecurity.

Or we just look at the evidence before our eyes and decide that 2+2 makes 4 in this case. Axl is beyond question Lazy. It is ignorant of the facts to suggest otherwise. Citing 2/3 examples over a 30 year period of him not being lazy does not mean he isn't lazy. You take it as a whole, and on the whole he has been incredibly lazy professionally. He can still be successful, despite being lazy. As he has proven. 

21 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

It is not "sticking up" for Axl to argue that the reasons for his poor productivity is not laziness but crippling insecurity and mental issues. 😄 Arguing that it is just a case of good old laziness is much more complimentary to him and much less of a damning description than what I provide. But hey, I wouldn't expect you to get that, either. 

So you are saying that it's more complimentary to be lazy than to have mental health issues? That's so out of touch with reality and offensive, but hey I wouldn't expect you to get that either. 

5 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

No, I don't and I explained why I can’t say that for sure. Now you can try to explain why you think he is lazy and not just suffering from insecurity and bipolar disorder. I would very much appreciate some nuanced and reflective thoughts from youy, if you have any. 

Furthermore, I think if Axl was lazy then people who knew him would have made a point about this. I can’t remember anyone who was in a conflict with him, including Slash, Steven, Matt and Duff, ever referring to him as lazy. And they probably would have when the critisized him. They called him crazy and a dictator and much else, but never lazy. That's quite telling. 

Also, Axl goes way beyond on the live shows, a lazy person would do the bare minimum. 

So in short, his lack of productivity is likely mainly caused by other issues than laziness. 

Axl likes live shows coz he loves being a rockstar. sure he likes it when it suits him, but the constant inviting of celebrities backstage, the parties, the demands etc etc. He loves the adulation too, and who could blame him. he doesn't even rehearse for it, so though you say he goes way beyond, actually he's putting in the bare minimum. He doesn't soundcheck, he barely rehearses, he doesnt do any interviews, no meet and greets no advertising or promotion for the shows. he literally flies in on a helicopter 5 minutes before the gig, plays it, then either mingles with celebs or immediately flies off again. 

The hard work is the constant rehearsing the same old shit, the daily interviews to promote in every area, the fan meet and greets, the writing recording promoting new music and going through the treadmill that literally every band does, no matter there size. he doesn't do that. You might argue he doesnt have to. judging by his inconsistent performances, the lack of new music and the dwindling ticket sales, I'd argue he does if he wants to be the best he can be. But he's decided he can get away with not doing that. That is also known as laziness. Of course you will undoubtedly blindly stick up for Axl. but can you name a musician that does less than him? I don't mean retired, or semi active. I mean artists that tour, and also promise new music? 

5 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

I don't know if Axl is lazy or not

You do mate, you do. 

On 4/26/2024 at 4:58 PM, DTV88 said:

How does Axl put out a book that is factual and also doesn’t burn bridges that he has spent so much time and effort rebuilding? I’m sincerely interested in how he would choose his words. Will he temper them to keep peace with the current money making machine that is the three union? Or will he go for broke and lay it all out there like Sorum’s first draft? 

I think you can tell the truth without offending those involved. You dont accuse people of things or judge them for actions, you say 'this is what happened, and this is how it made me feel' - You can't be offended by how someone feels, that's in axls gift. But in reality this will never come out so it's all just speculation

1 hour ago, allwaystired said:

Could this become the new 'new album thread'? 

Years of cyclical speculation, thoughts, views, rumours and no substance arriving whatsoever?

I do hope so! 

Its already been 9 days and not a single update or website change. looks like it's begun

On 4/25/2024 at 7:05 AM, SoulMonster said:

As far as authorized GN'R books and Axl biographies, we have this:

Shattered Illusion that was worked on in the 90s and intended to be released in 1995. The budding conflict between Axl and Slash may have caused this to be cancelled. But at the very least, a manuscript for this book exists somewhere, surely. 

Then in the 2000s, Sebastian Bach would reveal that Axl was working on a book which Axl later clarified was more of a "legal record" of the breakup of the band. Maybe Shattered Illusion morphed into this new book more focused on the collapse of the UYI lineup? Regardless, in 2016, Axl would talk about it being quite likely he would release a book, which sounds more like a biography again, but it was obviously difficult to write about what had happened without opening old wounds:

 

So that's what we have on this matter.

This lost all credibility in the part where bach says axl 'loves putting out albums. 

There are loads of articles like this over the internet from the 09-14 era when I was really closely following the band. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2306273/Guns-N-Roses-frontman-Axl-Rose-looks-far-rock-star-heyday-parties-late--way-ladies.html 

36 minutes ago, Karice said:

 Axl wanting to go date Young Adults who are old enough to be his Granddaughters. For instance, my own Grandmother is only 35 years older than me(Mom and Grandma were Teenaged Mothers). 💡 So, I can't see today's Axl wanting to date some 22 year old young adult who is 40 years younger than him. I'd think the women he'd want to date would be in his decade, like Beta who is only about 6 years older than him.💡

I have been floating around GnR news since 2002, and I can assure you that yes, he wants to be around girls that are 22. He's a guy after all. There have been lots of pics of him with groups of younger girls and supermodels etc over the years. He does try to keep it private, but anyone who has followed Axl for any length of time will have seen these photos, whether here or online in places. Ain't nothing wrong with it, Axl does it behind closed doors, leo di caprio does it in the public eye

2 hours ago, allwaystired said:

There's not really much evidence for that though- there's never any 'kiss and tell" stories or anything or even nany rumours around this stuff. It's a strange existence he seems to lead! 

All the pictures of Axl out at events and in clubs, especially the 09-14 era, he was surrounded by 10 supermodels. The stories of TB and security going into the crowd and picking out girls to go backstage with Axl. The shows where GnR used to pack out the 2/3 front rows with stunning young supermodels. It wasn't richard fortus demanding those girls! The stories of Axl from slash an duffs autobigraphies. There's enough there to join the dots. I think he probably has them sign non disclosures stopping the kiss and tells, but there's no doubt Axl is a hound dog when it comes to sewing his wild oats! 

On 4/23/2024 at 4:54 AM, Scream of the Butterfly said:

So it's acceptable for you to go to his hotel and stick around for an entire day whereas somebody else just driving by his house on a public road is a stalker?

Yeah, the hotel people are the real stalkers. I live in London, so on my trip to LA I did a drive by of axls house. Lovely area, great views of the oceans. But I'd never go hang at the hotel and wait for hours/days. that is too far. I get some people are desperate to meet their idols, but they'll only let you down. No one can live up to what you create in your head. They're just people. and usually in the case of rock n roll, they're not exactly honourable people!

On 4/23/2024 at 2:57 AM, Karice said:

Yep, this is the same man who went into hiding for about 4 years. 💡

Axl loves attention from attractive women aged 18-25, the more the better. He doesn't seem so enamoured when meeting male fans. He's a rockstar, he's too old for drugs and big boozing, so sex is his main thing. If you want to meet axl, just be a female with a great body aged 18-24 and you'll meet him no problem.