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I wander if Axl speaks to paul tobias or ashba. They were people he seemed genuinely close to and friends with during their period and vouched for. Yet as soon as each left the band it seemed like the friendhsip did too. Axl is supposedly fiercely loyal but doesn't seem that way in reality 

54 minutes ago, Lethalis said:

If the band would release new music on a regular basis nobody would care about leaks.

GNR is the only band I have ever listened to the leaks... and I listen to a lot of music.

 

Agreed. I've never heard another bands leaks, even if i hear about a song leaking, i know in 6 months it'll be out properly anyway. With GnR it might be the only chance we ever have to hear these songs. Can't blame a starving man for stealing bread. 

3 hours ago, vloors said:

Why not just play AFD in full and call it a day.

This is what should have happened on the aniversary. Release the boxset (on time) and a short AFD reunion tour playing the full album to support it. 

An expensive show just to see 12 songs though!

8 hours ago, Draguns said:

Thinking about this further, it really s!cked for the band that the songs leaked. I was like everyone else listening to the leak. It's clear now as to why GNR didn't want those songs to be leaked.  Those songs simply weren't ready to be heard. They needed work. 

You say that, but realistically how much work do you think was actually done to them? There was probably not much changed except mix, and effects on the guitar or vocals. Even hardskool, all they did was cut the intro. the structure of the song is exactly the same. perhaps is identical. just sounds crisper (it got mastered) and slash played a new solo over it. The demos we heard were fully fledged demos, not just playing in the studio and saying 'hey ax how about this?' these were 'ok these songs are there. lets do a first proper demo' The only ones that clearly weren't were nothing and eye on you, which were just ideas that got looped. Atlas shrugged will barely have changed if ever released. 

9 hours ago, janrichmond said:

I'd swap Fortus out for Gilby 100%.

Have to ask why? Gilby was in the band just over 18 months as a live touring fill in for izzy who they were still trying to get back. Didn't play on any original GnR material and hasn't done anything great as a solo star or celebrity to justify any extra interest. Fortus is an elite level guitar player, been in the band 22 years, played on chinese democracy and some of the newer stuff, and been touring with slash now for 8 years. Ok he's not irreplaceable i grant you, but he's very much the glue of this new band. Plus i really liked his playing in the dead daises, so he's got the ability to be part of good new material if Axl ever let him, gilby was sacked coz he didnt have the ability to write gnr calibre guitar rifs. 

20 hours ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

If The World is a fantastic song. Some of Axl's best melodies and amazing vocals. It's haters can never come up with anything really substantive to say about why it supposedly sucks so much, just general statements about it sounding like James Bond or a porn soundtrack. In particular this is one of the few CD songs I would have really liked to hear Slash play, since I think the Latinesque guitars would really suit his style. But Axl couldn't come close to singing it these days.

Scraped is a song that people seem to latch on to one part of it that they hate (In this case the intro) and then say the entire thing sucks. It has cool riffs, cool lyrics besides the cringe "don't you try and stop us now", and a great groove.

The General is a decent song but it's drenched in Marilyn Manson type effects that don't fit Axl's voice, and the melody Brain/Xtract came up with is cheesy and detracts from the serious nature of the lyrics.

If the world is cool as an album track. The lyrics are pretty bad and very simple, but the vocal delivery and music is fantastic. Scraped Is a good rocker. People have to find songs to hate coz so few are released. If GnR had 10 albums peolpe wouldnt mind these songs on the albums, but because GnRs back catalogue is so sparse and released so rarely, every album needs to be a greatest hits.

20 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

I would imagine any offers from promoters to tour now might come with caveats based on 'something new to promote' so that could stir the pot. I do think it's likely that's why we got Perhaps etc. 

Of course, dusting down old unused CD stuff ticks that box, and an AFD tour would do too in the eyes of promoters looking for a selling point. 

Having said that if course, tickets (especially outside of the US) seem to sell ok anyway....

Tbh i doubt promoters give a shit. tickets will sell regardless. maybe not to the same extent without a new big hit, but GnR aren't going to release and promote a big hit so wouldn't matter. US now will be arenas, i think in major european cities they'll still play stadiums. Arenas everywhere else. Then again maybe half empty stadium is financially better than 2 arenas. 

Didnt motley and Def leppard play wembley stadium to like 28k in a 90k capacity? Costs of hiring stadium for one night was less than arena for 2? Pics were crazy https://twitter.com/JonathanDean_/status/1676572412148604931?lang=en

2 hours ago, Gunner Gilby said:

Nah. I seriously doubt Axl is short of money. He got offered big money many times to reunite with Slash n Duff but resisted until the time was right.

He also did the budwieser ad, played on cruise ships for rich arabs and russian oligarchs, and then did actually reunite with slash - but only for the highest ever offer paid out by coachella at the time. so let's not pretend Axl isn't driven by money. He may like to give off that vibe to keep some cred, but he definitely is. 

3 minutes ago, Towelie said:

C'mon now, you know Better belongs in that top 5 too!

Better was definitely the 'Hit' from the album and a great song. I just loved the epics where Axl really went outside the Box, especially vocally. Better is number 6!

8 hours ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

 

Perhaps-Outside of the main piano melody, this song is just pure vomit. Worst song from the CD era. Fucking awful in every respect. Demo is more listenable but both versions are awful

 

Perhaps is the closest to UYI song. It's catchy, good but not great and classic sounding. The weakest part of the song is the second verse is the same as 1st verse. it sounds like half a song just doubled to full length, which seems lazy

9 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said:

I'd say Monsters is the only song we've heard that could've replaced anything on CD... and maybe Hardschool if they'd kept it similar to the Village version.

I'd love to hear the Bucket/Robin versions of these songs, but I still don't think The General would've been strong enough to replace anything on CD.

Riad is the weakest song on CD and a 'Rocker' so Harsdschool could have easily been in it's place on the album, and maybe been track number 2 to really give the album the hard rock punch before going into the epic stuff. Monsters would easily be a top 5 track on CD. I'm upset Atlas never made it, that was an obvious radio song from the album. 

I like every song on CD except Riad which just sounds like a jumbled mess. Absurd and general are ok and perhaps and hardskool are best, if hardskool is mixed harshly to the ear. 

1. There Was A Time

2. This I Love

3. Monsters

4. Madagascar

5. Prostitute

The rest all pretty equal but these are the 5 standouts we have heard. They're all so different to everything original GnR was, didn't compete with appetite at all, and thats when NuGnR were at their best. Over the top grandiosity and Axl Vocals out of this world 

12 hours ago, Sweersa said:

Is it wrong that I would prefer the ~'99 rerecorded AFD over an actual AFD lineup tour/show?

Very. Unless they only played all the songs written in 1999. 

40 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

I'm sure Axl would demand something like this:

- OMG
- The entire Chinese Democracy album
- Absurd
- Hard Skool
- Perhaps
- The General
- Paradise City

Maybe the old Axl. Today's Axl does whatever is needed for the biggest paycheque. 

Decent song. Feel like it doesn't really go anywhere so a solid 6/7 out of 10 song. cool, but i guess being acid rock, no one cares where the song goes 

29 minutes ago, Cosmo said:

1. It's So Easy
2. Mr.Brownstone
3. Welcome To The Jungle
4. You're Crazy (Lies)
5. Reckless Life
6. Think About You
7. Nice Boys
8. Out Ta Get Me
9. Civil War
10. My Michelle
11. Shadow Of Your Love
12. Move To The City
13. You Could Be Mine
14. Anything Goes (Just to play full AFD)
15. Slash Solo
16. Sweet Child O'Mine
17. KOHD
18. Nightrain

 

Encore:

• 19. Used To Love Her
• 20. Patience
• 21. Rocket Queen

 

Encore #2:

• 22. Don't Cry
• 23. Paradise City

5 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

Theater tour,

 

Reckless Life

Move to the City

Civil War/  Mama Kin

AfD front to back

Encore- 

Patience

Used to Love Her

 

Knocking on Heaven’s Door

Shadow of Your Love

 

Ah used to lover her, completely forgot about that.

Agree a theatre tour would be best. 2k max capacity, intimate rock show. 

On 2/5/2024 at 3:37 PM, 2020_Intensions said:

Taylor Swift, since 2006, has released 10 albums, 4 completely re-recorded albums to secure the rights to her music (badass), 5 EPs, and 4 live albums. 

GnR, since 2006, has released 1 album, and 4 singles.

Taylor swift also does 44 song setlists https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/taylor-swift/2024/melbourne-cricket-ground-melbourne-australia-33ad9425.html 

I thought that might be the one thing GnR was better at. Turns out she's got us covered there too 

I actually think we will get this in the next 5 years or so. Maybe a one off show, or a small tour in theatres or arenas. The only thing is it has to be just these on 5. No dizzy, no piano no 3rd guitarist etc. Give us 85-90 So I've tried to only pick songs from that era that steven would have a part in either demo, live or studio. 

Setlist 

1. Welcome to the Jungle
2. It's So Easy
3. Mr Brownstone
4. Reckless Life
5. Shadow Of Your Love
6. Rocket Queen
7. Out Ta Get Me
8. Civil War
9. Rocket Queen
10. You're Crazy (Lies Version)
11. My Michelle
12. Think About You
13. Nice Boys
14. Anything Goes
15. You Could Be Mine
16. Slash Solo
17. Sweet Child O' Mine
18. KOHD
19. Nightrain

     Encore

     20. Patience

     21. Don't Cry

     22. Paradise City

I left out a Duff or Izzy solo spot. I don't recall there being many in those early days, but if Axl wanted it broken up then I wouldn't mind seeing DTJ, Dust and Bones or 14 years added, or a duff punk cover. I also think there's room for Whole Lotta Rosie which that line up did (as well as others since) or heartbreak hotel, that would match the energy of that era, but whether 67 year old does it justice I dont know. 

1 hour ago, jamillos said:

I can't listen to it right now, but I mean what follows after the initial verses, the stuff that goes "I’d be the last to say 'don’t follow your heart'" etc. There's this change that sort of broke the mood for me, although I understand the entire song couldn't have continued with just that first melody. It's still pretty decent and definitely one of the best Village songs. HS, Atlas, SoG (and of course Monsters). Perhaps is a good song but mediocre for a band like GNR and their level we're used to. 

I like that change, its melancholy as a whole, it means the song starts positive in a sad way, then gets quite down, then picks up again from the solo to the outro which actually seems quite hopeful. Compared to absurd, perhaps, the general, it actually seems like a fully fledged song, the instruments build, the drums are different in each section, not looped, the guitar lowers and reaches crescendos and axl clearly recorded each bit individually, not just do the chorus once and then just say, thatll do 3 times. Effort went into this song to be an actual song

On 2/10/2024 at 3:17 PM, Dummy said:

If they released the unreleased cd tracks there would be nothing left to talk about here...

So let's discuss whether or not devious bastard got vocals.

There's been nothing to talk about here since CD2 didnt come out in 2010, never been a sniff of a full album release since

13 minutes ago, gunsnchalupas said:

 

Allgedly, the big reason for the rift between Axl and Buckethead was that Buckethead didn't think Axl was serious about the compulsory attendance for his yearly WNBA draft party. Stinson tried to warn him, but it was all down hill from there!

That was the 2003 draft too. I heard that Axl was so mad when the Indiana Fever missed out on Cheryl Ford, that he claimed Buckethead would never play for GNR again, and that's what got the ball rolling on the botched 2006 reunion.

Grain of salt of course, all just rumors, but it makes a lot of sense. 

Where are these rumours 

Nice work, gnr should release it and just say its them. Wouldn't put it past fernando

Unless GnR have a smash hit single that is literally everywhere and followed that with a big album release with Axl and slash doing interviews and being in the public conscious, then they will never be relevant enough for this. in the current social zietgiest GnR are just some old guys that don't do much accept tour the hits with a singer that can't sing that well anymore. No modern rock bands are relevant. they're all heritage. GnR are as heritage as Kiss. RHCP are more relevant - they release music and get out there individually and they wouldn't get the gig either. 

I don't think GnR have that single or willing to release and promote the hell out of it. I think Monsters and Atlas Shrugged are great songs and both would get a few weeks rock radio rotation, but they're not going to be smash hits, so forget about it. 

6 hours ago, colonizedmind said:

Instrumentally I meant...if you take Chinese 2008 final versions there's lots of differences between all the early versions we have, hence large debate and those that far prefer earlier versions, etc....

There is lot of change/adds...

While a lot of the locker leaks are close to reunion releases....I believe songs that made or almost made Chinese, like Atlas are different, as he continued to work and to tinker on those kinda tracks a lot more as 2008 crept up....the aforementioned earlier tracks, not so much...

Fair enough - the vocals won't change!

5 hours ago, colonizedmind said:

Fair...

But I do think there's a decent chance that Atlas in final form, as in, the one that almost made Chinese would/will sound quite a bit different to 2000 version we've heard! 

History tells us it will sound exactly the same in 2024 as 1999.